Current Events > Why has Africa always lagged behind on progress throughout all of history?

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I get theyve been oppressed and enslaved for thousands of years, but has there ever been a historical period akin to an African Golden Age like various other parts of the world have gone through? Like even nations like India, Pakistan, middle eastern countries etc... that have been colonized for centuries seems to have made much more strides in progress than African nations. Heck, even European people who had been enslaved (ancient Greeks and Vikings enslaved many European cultures for generations) managed to break through and make strides, but for some reason Africa has never been able to break through their impoverished cycle. Is there a reason why that is specifically to the region of Africa?
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Because Shaka Zulu has OP early game bonuses and destroys everyone else on the continent.
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I dont know but Africa is a great leader in Civ 6
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lack of resources makes it hard for thriving empires.

YellowSUV posted...

Because Shaka Zulu has OP early game bonuses and destroys everyone else on the continent.

those impis are no joke
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Zikten posted...

lack of resources makes it hard for thriving empires.

Um what? Africa has a ton of resources
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Also, progress is not necessarily a good thing
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Zikten posted...

lack of resources makes it hard for thriving empires.

If anything, Africa has been raped and pillaged because of their rich resources, not in spite of it
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Europeans happened to get guns before them

they have resources

Europe colonized them. They fell behind and the rest of the world kept them there.

Do you consider the crescent valley part of Africa?

Fam_Fam posted...

Europeans happened to get guns before them

they have resources

Europe colonized them. They fell behind and the rest of the world kept them there.

Yea but Europeans also colonized various other regions of the world(literally for centuries mind you), and yet Africa is the one that is lagging considerably behind
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Kazi1212 posted...

but for some reason Africa has never been able to break through their impoverished cycle. Is there a reason why that is specifically to the region of Africa?

africa has been fucked with by other countries/continents ever since the first intermediate period of ancient egypt and beyond.

usually by dumb fucks with a global domination complex, but pirates actually caused more problems for Africa than other places for some reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples
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josifrees posted...

Zikten posted...

lack of resources makes it hard for thriving empires.

Um what? Africa has a ton of resources

Resources that the rest of the world has acquired, generally through violence. Like how blood diamonds still are a thing.
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Ruvan22 posted...

Do you consider the crescent valley part of Africa?

I guess Egypt is technically in Africa, but its more like Asia Minor, I guess Im talking about more the heart of Africa, not its fringes
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

but for some reason Africa has never been able to break through their impoverished cycle. Is there a reason why that is specifically to the region of Africa?

africa has been fucked with by other countries/continents ever since the first intermediate period of ancient egypt and beyond.

usually by dumb fucks with a global domination complex, but pirates actually caused more problems for Africa than other places for some reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples

Again, various other regions of the world have been subjected to conquest for millenniums. And yet these regions of the world at one point or another experienced some form of a Golden Age, but for some reason Africa throughout all of history have lagged behind
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Kazi1212 posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

Do you consider the crescent valley part of Africa?

I guess Egypt is technically in Africa, but its more like Asia Minor, I guess Im talking about more the heart of Africa, not its fringes

Natural borders separate Egypt from Asia. It's not like "Well India is technically part of Asia" For the first kingdom Egypt was isolated.
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Kazi1212 posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

but for some reason Africa has never been able to break through their impoverished cycle. Is there a reason why that is specifically to the region of Africa?

africa has been fucked with by other countries/continents ever since the first intermediate period of ancient egypt and beyond.

usually by dumb fucks with a global domination complex, but pirates actually caused more problems for Africa than other places for some reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples

Again, various other regions of the world have been subjected to conquest for millenniums. And yet these regions of the world at one point or another experienced some form of a Golden Age, but for some reason Africa throughout all of history have lagged behind

Africa, largely, hasn't really done anything of it's own. There are still tribes that are essentially living in the Stone Age.
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Kazi1212 posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

but for some reason Africa has never been able to break through their impoverished cycle. Is there a reason why that is specifically to the region of Africa?

africa has been fucked with by other countries/continents ever since the first intermediate period of ancient egypt and beyond.

usually by dumb fucks with a global domination complex, but pirates actually caused more problems for Africa than other places for some reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples

Again, various other regions of the world have been subjected to conquest for millenniums. And yet these regions of the world at one point or another experienced some form of a Golden Age, but for some reason Africa throughout all of history have lagged behind

You were just given an example when Africa lead the world and shrugged it off. There are other similar examples from a few thousand years ago in similar part of Africa. Do they not count too?
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Africa is isolated because of natural boundRies, which made it very difficult for anyone to get in or out. When people did get in, they did bad things.
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Because you have no understanding of the word Africa OR history.... judging from the title and OP...

Disgusting
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Kazi1212 posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

but for some reason Africa has never been able to break through their impoverished cycle. Is there a reason why that is specifically to the region of Africa?

africa has been fucked with by other countries/continents ever since the first intermediate period of ancient egypt and beyond.

usually by dumb fucks with a global domination complex, but pirates actually caused more problems for Africa than other places for some reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples

Again, various other regions of the world have been subjected to conquest for millenniums. And yet these regions of the world at one point or another experienced some form of a Golden Age, but for some reason Africa throughout all of history have lagged behind

https://www.uh.edu/engines/epi385.htm

Ryo_the_Inferno posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

but for some reason Africa has never been able to break through their impoverished cycle. Is there a reason why that is specifically to the region of Africa?

africa has been fucked with by other countries/continents ever since the first intermediate period of ancient egypt and beyond.

usually by dumb fucks with a global domination complex, but pirates actually caused more problems for Africa than other places for some reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples

Again, various other regions of the world have been subjected to conquest for millenniums. And yet these regions of the world at one point or another experienced some form of a Golden Age, but for some reason Africa throughout all of history have lagged behind

Africa, largely, hasn't really done anything of it's own. There are still tribes that are essentially living in the Stone Age.

This is why......... people are vermin

Fucking racist shit
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zado19 posted...

Ryo_the_Inferno posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

but for some reason Africa has never been able to break through their impoverished cycle. Is there a reason why that is specifically to the region of Africa?

africa has been fucked with by other countries/continents ever since the first intermediate period of ancient egypt and beyond.

usually by dumb fucks with a global domination complex, but pirates actually caused more problems for Africa than other places for some reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples

Again, various other regions of the world have been subjected to conquest for millenniums. And yet these regions of the world at one point or another experienced some form of a Golden Age, but for some reason Africa throughout all of history have lagged behind

Africa, largely, hasn't really done anything of it's own. There are still tribes that are essentially living in the Stone Age.

This is why......... people are vermin

Fucking racist shit

Get over it. Africa has been living in the stone age for thousands of years. It never progressed without outside intervention.

This is a reality.
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Because zebras can't be domesticated.

The horse made travel expedient for Asians and Europeans. That meant more interconnectivity, ease of moving heavy loads by way of drawn carts, and more room for individuals to realize their personal ambitions once all of their needs were met. That same interconnectivity also led to military advancements as one's enemies could potentially ride out to meet them. You can't exactly march a cannon through the jungle to make war on a hostile tribe, nor would you trek with one over miles and miles of African plains.

When your world is limited by where you can travel to on foot, it limits your potential for advancement. By the time the world had mostly advanced beyond the use of horses for travel, the respective nations were firmly set in their places. It has nothing to do with members of one race or nationality having greater potential than any other. People are people no matter how proponents of racial science wish to pretend otherwise. It's simply about the unsung business partner of Asians and Europeans throughout history. They had horses. Africans and the indigenous peoples of the Americas did not.

http://hdr.undp.org/en/content/rediscovering-agriculture-human-development

tl;dr - poor agricultural conditions and suppressed human rights are correlated largely with africa's stagnant progress
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

zado19 posted...

Ryo_the_Inferno posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

but for some reason Africa has never been able to break through their impoverished cycle. Is there a reason why that is specifically to the region of Africa?

africa has been fucked with by other countries/continents ever since the first intermediate period of ancient egypt and beyond.

usually by dumb fucks with a global domination complex, but pirates actually caused more problems for Africa than other places for some reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples

Again, various other regions of the world have been subjected to conquest for millenniums. And yet these regions of the world at one point or another experienced some form of a Golden Age, but for some reason Africa throughout all of history have lagged behind

Africa, largely, hasn't really done anything of it's own. There are still tribes that are essentially living in the Stone Age.

This is why......... people are vermin

Fucking racist shit

Get over it. Africa has been living in the stone age for thousands of years. It never progressed without outside intervention.

This is a reality.

987 being a racist again?

way to ignore my link where Africans discovered carbon steel making thousands of years before the west did.

https://www.uh.edu/engines/epi385.htm

Skye Reynolds posted...

They had horses. Africans and the indigenous peoples of the Americas did not.

This isn't a valid reason. There were periods where certain Native American tribes were more advanced than other civilizations at the same time but did not continue that advancement trend for whatever reason.
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987 is a known shitposter. Best to ignore everything he says and posts.
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Genocet_10-325 posted...

987 is a known shitposter. Best to ignore everything he says and posts.

He's more like a dumper fire.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Skye Reynolds posted...

They had horses. Africans and the indigenous peoples of the Americas did not.

This isn't a valid reason. There were periods where certain Native American tribes were more advanced than other civilizations at the same time but did not continue that advancement trend for whatever reason.

Skye Reynolds posted...

When your world is limited by where you can travel to on foot, it limits your potential for advancement.

You're not going to build great ships, coliseums, or advanced military weaponry if you don't have the animals capable of pulling the heavy loads. Nor are you likely to be able to make medical breakthroughs and share your findings far and wide.

It's about the resources, not about the people who have them. It might make you feel special to believe that you're inherently more gifted than a designated ethnic group, but you're not. Nor were your ancestors or anyone else's.

It hasn't, but racist white people seem to believe that. Look up the Malinese Empire.
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That's entirely wrong. Even aside from Egypt, you have the Nubians, who built tons of pyramids and ruled over Egypt for a bit. You have Ethiopia, which was quite active, including invading Arabia as early as the 6th-century. The various Somalian and Swahili states south and east of there were extremely active in trade and comparatively powerful during the Islamic Golden Age. Then you have West Africa, which was a vibrant patchwork of kingdoms which occasionally produced a mighty empire(Ghana, Mali, Songhai, Sokoto, etc.) And the Kongolese in Central Africa.
Unfortunately(for them), the Europeans pulled ahead at the right time, and the European-fueled slave trade simultaneously left them economically dependent on Europe and badly destabilized many African states(even as it enriched the slavers in the short-term). Even then, they were never all that far behind, they were just fractured politically and economically weak(for the most part) which left them easy pickings for the European powers in the 19th-century.

ChromaticAngel posted...

Skye Reynolds posted...

They had horses. Africans and the indigenous peoples of the Americas did not.

This isn't a valid reason. There were periods where certain Native American tribes were more advanced than other civilizations at the same time but did not continue that advancement trend for whatever reason.

They still had other beasts of burden, it's not literally "Horses or no advance."
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ElatedVenusaur posted...

That's entirely wrong. Even aside from Egypt, you have the Nubians, who built tons of pyramids and ruled over Egypt for a bit. You have Ethiopia, which was quite active, including invading Arabia as early as the 6th-century. The various Somalian and Swahili states south and east of there were extremely active in trade and comparatively powerful during the Islamic Golden Age. Then you have West Africa, which was a vibrant patchwork of kingdoms which occasionally produced a mighty empire(Ghana, Mali, Songhai, Sokoto, etc.) And the Kongolese in Central Africa.
Unfortunately(for them), the Europeans pulled ahead at the right time, and the European-fueled slave trade simultaneously left them economically dependent on Europe and badly destabilized many African states(even as it enriched the slavers in the short-term). Even then, they were never all that far behind, they were just fractured politically and economically weak(for the most part) which left them easy pickings for the European powers in the 19th-century.

This is actually valid, the horse answer is pretty valid reason as well, makes sense. So I guess my other question would be why has Africa had stagnated progress in the last 50-60 years after the end of colonization whereas other regions of the world that have been similarly colonized made great economic progress?
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Kineth posted...

It hasn't, but racist white people seem to believe that. Look up the Malinese Empire.

Imagine thinking Africa is just one race of people
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Kazi1212 posted...

So I guess my other question would be why has Africa had stagnated progress in the last 50-60 years after the end of colonization whereas other regions of the world that have been similarly colonized made great economic progress?

Uh, they JUST got out of colonization 50-60 years ago and unlike every other part of the world, there's little to no investment in Africa.
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leviamon2 posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

zado19 posted...

Ryo_the_Inferno posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

but for some reason Africa has never been able to break through their impoverished cycle. Is there a reason why that is specifically to the region of Africa?

africa has been fucked with by other countries/continents ever since the first intermediate period of ancient egypt and beyond.

usually by dumb fucks with a global domination complex, but pirates actually caused more problems for Africa than other places for some reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples

Again, various other regions of the world have been subjected to conquest for millenniums. And yet these regions of the world at one point or another experienced some form of a Golden Age, but for some reason Africa throughout all of history have lagged behind

Africa, largely, hasn't really done anything of it's own. There are still tribes that are essentially living in the Stone Age.

This is why......... people are vermin

Fucking racist shit

Get over it. Africa has been living in the stone age for thousands of years. It never progressed without outside intervention.

This is a reality.

987 being a racist again?

way to ignore my link where Africans discovered carbon steel making thousands of years before the west did.

https://www.uh.edu/engines/epi385.htm

This link is hilarious.
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Kineth posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

So I guess my other question would be why has Africa had stagnated progress in the last 50-60 years after the end of colonization whereas other regions of the world that have been similarly colonized made great economic progress?

Uh, they JUST got out of colonization 50-60 years ago and unlike every other part of the world, there's little to no investment in Africa.

Um the whole of Indian sub continent and a whole slew of middle eastern nations just got of colonization as well, try again.
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Funbazooka posted...

This link is hilarious.

why?
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Kazi1212 posted...

Kineth posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

So I guess my other question would be why has Africa had stagnated progress in the last 50-60 years after the end of colonization whereas other regions of the world that have been similarly colonized made great economic progress?

Uh, they JUST got out of colonization 50-60 years ago and unlike every other part of the world, there's little to no investment in Africa.

Um the whole of Indian sub continent and a whole slew of middle eastern nations just got of colonization as well, try again.

Did you finish reading his post?
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The industrial revolution gave Britain in particular a huge advantage over other civilizations, and it didn't take long at all for that knowledge to quickly spread to neighbors like France who also contributed to it on their own as well.

With this huge advantage, they were able to subjugate much of the world in a short amount of time.

The same had happened with the New World centuries earlier. The technological advantage in even the pre-industrial 16th century was big enough there, but also there was the effect of the all the natives who died from disease. That seemed to be much less so the case in Africa.

Much of the interior of Africa wasn't colonized until the late 19th century during the Scramble for Africa. By this point, the Europeans had Martini-Henry rifles, railroads, steamships, etc. Then much of Africa wasn't decolonized until the 60s, and those colonies were replaced by Cold War era dictators in many places, or other violent thugs who came to power.

I was just thinking the other day that the US is lucky that George Washington was such a good dude and that he didn't try to become dictator for life or something, like a lot of rebel military commanders end up doing if they end up winning. Just look at Robert Mugabe for example. It was only just like six weeks ago that Zimbabwe was able to get rid of their revolutionary hero turned dictator for life, George Washington could have done that (or at least tried).
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Yeah, you better have deleted that post.
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Kineth posted...

Yeah, you better have deleted that post.

What did he say?
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Fam_Fam posted...

Europeans happened to get guns before them

they have resources

Europe colonized them. They fell behind and the rest of the world kept them there.

Only because Europeans made boats. Why didn't Africans make boats?
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tag
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They are separated. Other places were forced to work in unions and communities
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Bishop9800 posted...

Kineth posted...

Yeah, you better have deleted that post.

What did he say?

I misread his post, I was too peeved at him when he said white racists think of Africa that way, when everyone knows Africa doesnt only consist of one race of people
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Kazi1212 posted...

I misread his post, I was too peeved at him when he implied white racists think of Africa that way, when everyone knows Africa doesnt only consist of one race of people

Not everyone knows that. 987 is proof of that.
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Bishop9800 posted...

Kineth posted...

Yeah, you better have deleted that post.

What did he say?

He said that he thought that I was saying that there was little to no investment into Africa because of how recently they exited colonization.
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