Current Events > DEBATE: should men be circumcised or uncircumcised?

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nicklebro posted...

I got my son circumcised though, mainly so he'd avoid the ridicule and shame that comes with being uncircumcised in America.

By "ridicule and shame" you mean "being called an anteater by a bunch of shut-in losers on a video game message board who have a vivid obsession with other people's genitals"

Because that's factually the extent of said "ridicule and shame". People in the real world, normal people, don't give a rat's ass whether you're circumcised or not. I have no clue what it is about circumcision that made you all so hysterically insecure about it but it's embarrassing.

In response to the topic I pretty much agree with boxington

Well Idk if you live outside of America or what, but its pretty common knowledge that girls can get freaked out by an uncircumcised penis. Not saying they're all like that, or that it isn't he opposite in other places in the world. But when you deny things that are common knowledge, it just makes you look desperate and kills any credibility you might have had.

theone1331 posted...

nicklebro posted...

If they want to be. I don't think that the undeniable benefits/consequences of circumcision outweigh an individual's personal preference. I got my son circumcised though, mainly so he'd avoid the ridicule and shame that comes with being uncircumcised in America.

...What? I have never in my life been ridiculed or shamed for my natural penis. No girl has even brought it up to me.

Lol that doesn't mean they haven't laughed about it while you weren't there.

Its funny how absolutely absurd the people defending uncircumcised penises have been acting, while its completely rational and logical discussion points by the other side. Really shows which side is super insecure and why they're so desperate to take every argument to the extreme.
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I don't live outside of America. Your entire post is a fantasy that just screams resentment towards your parents
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Oh look. It's this topic again.
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i love how people say hating uncircumcised dicks is an internet thing when its widely ridiculed on tv and movies

the circumcision is mutilation is the internet thing
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no alts here brah

you're welcome to show a someone making fun of circumcised guys though
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Resolution posted...

I don't live outside of America. Your entire post is a fantasy that just screams resentment towards your parents

Ok so that means you're definitely in denial. Because if you lived outside of America then its totally plausible for your stated opinion to be the consensus in whatever area you lived. Lol but in America? You're acting as if there's some secret pro circumcision shadow group that makes people put uncut penis jokes into movies and shows and pop culture.

If I'm looking at these statistics right, it appears that over 80% of males in America are circumcised. Lmao but somehow the vast majority of dudes with circumcised penises are considered "freaks" but the small minority of males who are uncut and are routinely made fun of in all forms of media are the "normal" ones.

Not to mention its plainly obvious which side is getting emotional about this and which side isn't. If I never came on gamefaqs, I'd never hear anything about circumcised penises being any of the things you've described them as. And I've been hearing uncut dick jokes my whole life. So I have no reason to be insecure while its quite apparent that you do. Its evident by how extreme your language is while I don't see it as a big deal either way, I just acknowledge the quite obvious fact that circumcised penises are the consensus preference in American culture. That isn't to say its a uniform opinion, I'm sure there are some people who actually prefer uncircumcised penises. But that just isn't the case for American culture in general.
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No one should be circumcised unless they choose to do it as adults, or there is some pressing medical necessity.
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I am against the mutilation of infants.

Grown men can do whatever they want to do.

I would never do it.
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To each their own, but if you dont want your kids to have genital cheese and get smelly down there unless they just showered and if you dont want the risk of them having test their frenulum if they get too frisky then circumcise

yusiko posted...

beechesfreeman posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArpRKXml5Iw

anteaters are just

poor guys

lol

you do realize that movie was written by men right?
women dont actually talk about cut or uncut
when the subject comes up about cut dicks they pretty much all start vomiting

Nope this is how real women feel.

mario masta posted...

I resent my dad for forcing me to get circumcised. I had no choice in the manner and now I'm stuck this way forever. Every time I see an uncut dick in porn I always feel depressed...

You can always buy smegma from an uncut person and smear it over your thing if you really want the uncut experience that bad lol

I don't care either way, but people who call male circumcision "mutilation" are being disingenuous af. Unless they also consider getting your ears pierced or a tattoo mutilation as well.

I think unnecessary cosmetic surgery shouldn't be performed on infants.
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hockeybub89 posted...

No one should be circumcised unless they choose to do it as adults, or there is some pressing medical necessity.

Why? I'm so thankful my parents had me circumcised when I was a child. That's like saying children shouldn't be vaccinated until they're grown and can choose to. Just stupid.

ThanksUglyGod posted...

I don't care either way, but people who call male circumcision "mutilation" are being disingenuous af. Unless they also consider getting your ears pierced or a tattoo mutilation as well.

They know how ridiculous they're being.

Dragonblade01 posted...

I think unnecessary cosmetic surgery shouldn't be performed on infants.

There are health benefits too. So its not just cosmetic.

And yeah you can think that all you want, but you're in the minority in America, Idk why you're so insecure about it but you really need to get over it.

Its really not a big deal either way, Idk why you're trying to make it one.
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For hygienic & prophylactic reasons, infancy is the proper time to do it.

ThanksUglyGod posted...

I don't care either way, but people who call male circumcision "mutilation" are being disingenuous af. Unless they also consider getting your ears pierced or a tattoo mutilation as well.

This.

It's not my place to decide "should or shouldn't."

I personally prefer uncircumcised. I don't personally know any men of our particular persuasion, who don't also share that preference.
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hollow_shrine posted...

It's not my place to decide "should or shouldn't."

I personally prefer uncircumcised. I don't personally know any men of our particular persuasion, who don't also share that preference.

Gay men? Weird, I know a ton of gay dudes and they make uncut dick jokes just as much as pop culture suggests they do. I guess you just live in an uncircumcised dick bubble.
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Hyyr posted...

For hygienic & prophylactic reasons, infancy is the proper time to do it.

ThanksUglyGod posted...

I don't care either way, but people who call male circumcision "mutilation" are being disingenuous af. Unless they also consider getting your ears pierced or a tattoo mutilation as well.

This.

Isn't the problem here that all the supposed medical benefits have been debunked? That's a genuine question, because I have no idea >_>

And circumcision isn't comparable to tatoos and ear piercings imo. Pierced ears can heal, tatoos can be removed, and they typically aren't forced onto children.

nicklebro posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

I think unnecessary cosmetic surgery shouldn't be performed on infants.

There are health benefits too. So its not just cosmetic.

And yeah you can think that all you want, but you're in the minority in America, Idk why you're so insecure about it but you really need to get over it.

Its really not a big deal either way, Idk why you're trying to make it one.

Only in rare cases is it medically beneficial, and arguably there are better alternatives anyway. Not to mention that this practice is not and has never been around due to perceived medical benefits regardless.

Also, I'm not insecure about any of this. You, who seem a bit miffed that people have a different opinion regarding a certain unnecessary cosmetic surgery on the other hand...
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Who cares it's up to them.

Just leave children alone, not much to ask.
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nicklebro posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

It's not my place to decide "should or shouldn't."

I personally prefer uncircumcised. I don't personally know any men of our particular persuasion, who don't also share that preference.

Gay men? Weird, I know a ton of gay dudes and they make uncut dick jokes just as much as pop culture suggests they do. I guess you just live in an uncircumcised dick bubble.

I don't know. Mechanically it makes sense. You want dick? Foreskin literally increases the amount of dick available for consumption. I don't need the options foreskin allows to enjoy some nice evening dick, but I'm certainly not going to say 'no.'

It tastes and smells more like dick and it doesn't chafe as easily, I mean come on. The reasons are there. I've never even heard another gay man choose circumcised. And don't bother people with this cleanliness mess, like people don't know how to take a shower. And if it's strong you can tell them, "hey, you're a little strong, let's hop in the shower." There's a BJ waiting on the other side; they'll do it.
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DragonImps posted...

Isn't the problem here that all the supposed medical benefits have been debunked? That's a genuine question, because I have no idea >_>

No. People in these topics try to downplay them and suggest that consistent personal hygiene can have the same effect, but medical institutions still recommend babies be circumcised and say the benefits outweigh any risks.

Dragonblade01 posted...

Only in rare cases is it medically beneficial, and arguably there are better alternatives anyway. Not to mention that this practice is not and has never been around due to perceived medical benefits regardless.

Also, I'm not insecure about any of this. You, who seem a bit miffed that people have a different opinion regarding a certain unnecessary cosmetic surgery on the other hand...

http://www.auanet.org/guidelines/circumcision

The professionals suggest otherwise. And even if the benefits were rare, the risks are far rarer, and the benefits far outweigh the risks.

And maybe you're not insecure about it, I haven't been keeping track of usernames. I don't think you should be insecure about it. I just said its not a big deal and no one should make it out to be one. I'm not miffed anyone has a different opinion than me, I'm not miffed about anything. All I'm doing is pointing out the obvious inaccuracies coming from certain posters and remarking on how there's no sense in exaggerating the anti circumcision argument, which has happened quite a bit ITT.

Conflict posted...

Nobody called circumcised people 'freaks'. The only people who'd be considered freaks are people like you who make up fantasies and desperately tell yourself "women HATE uncut" when you don't talk to any women in the first place, which is comical in its own right. It bothers you so very much that people don't care whether you're cut or not, so the only logical conclusion is that you're butthurt towards your parents for going through with the procedure without your consent. And you can't really play the "which site is getting emotional about this and which side isn't" card when your posts are twice as long as mine.

Remember, I'm not the one desperately arguing that my dick is better than yours. I don't give a fuck. I'm just laughing at you.

Oh I'm sorry, it wasn't "freaks" It was just "deformed" lol
You're seriously going to keep claiming you're not upset at all after writing a post like this? I never said women hate uncut penises, in fact right now I'll claim that if we were to poll the entire world, most would probably be more comfortable with uncut dicks since its what they're used to. I'm just stating the facts that in America, uncut penises are a small minority, and jokes about uncut dicks are factually a part of American pop culture. I didn't choose that, and really I don't see why anyone would make a big deal out of it anyways, so why are you?

Lmao you're literally accusing me of being resentful towards my parents for circumcising me, despite the fact that circumcised penises are the norm in America and aren't the subject of any jokes here. But of course you wouldn't be saying that because you're getting upset right? No obviously you're just putting that Masters degree in psychology to good use lmao. Just calm down man, I don't think there's anything that could matter less. Having pierced ears might actually be a bigger deal than whether you're cut or not.

Lol I love how you claim you don't care, but for some reason are laughing at me. Now if you really believed the things you were saying, you know how horrible a person you'd have to be to find humor in that? Grow up man.
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hollow_shrine posted...

It's not my place to decide "should or shouldn't."

I personally prefer uncircumcised. I don't personally know any men of our particular persuasion, who don't also share that preference.

hollow_shrine posted...

I don't know. Mechanically it makes sense. You want dick? Foreskin literally increases the amount of dick available for consumption. I don't need the options foreskin allows to enjoy some nice evening dick, but I'm certainly not going to say 'no.'

It tastes and smells more like dick and it doesn't chafe as easily, I mean come on. The reasons are there. I've never even heard another gay man choose circumcised. And don't bother people with this cleanliness mess, like people don't know how to take a shower. And if it's strong you can tell them, "hey, you're a little strong, let's hop in the shower." There's a BJ waiting on the other side; they'll do it.

Sure, makes sense for some people. I've heard dudes also say that they prefer circumcised dicks. I think for gay dudes it actually probably matters more than for women. Tbh, not being gay myself, I can't imagine why anyone would prefer one over the other anyways unless its purely for how it looks, and in that case I'd say people would just prefer whatever type of dick they're accustomed to. I mean I've had some pretty... lets call them liberal discussions with gay men and their preferences, but when it came to the choice between circumcised or uncircumcised it was just the one word "circumcised" with no explanation for why or qualifiers or anything like that. So it just makes me think that, like you said, dick is dick lmao. And I bet if they got some good dick from an uncircumcised cock, hell they might even change their mind.

I really don't think its a big deal either way, its just pretty telling which side is taking things super personally and throwing out passive aggressive insults and regular insults as well, while the other side is calmly stating facts and treating this non issue like the non issue it is. I'm not referring to you btw, you've been nothing but rational and level headed.
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nicklebro posted...

http://www.auanet.org/guidelines/circumcision

The professionals suggest otherwise. And even if the benefits were rare, the risks are far rarer, and the benefits far outweigh the risks.

Even what you just linked suggests that both benefits and risks are largely marginal (to the extent that they are comfortable suggesting that people decide while considering personal preference of all things). Which means that it's primarily cosmetic, and any potential medical consequences (positive or negative) are secondary.

And, again, let's not pretend that the discussion of whether or not to circumcise has ever revolved around medical benefits.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

nicklebro posted...

http://www.auanet.org/guidelines/circumcision

The professionals suggest otherwise. And even if the benefits were rare, the risks are far rarer, and the benefits far outweigh the risks.

Even what you just linked suggests that both benefits and risks are largely marginal (to the extent that they are comfortable suggesting that people decide while considering personal preference of all things). Which means that it's primarily cosmetic, and any potential medical consequences (positive or negative) are secondary.

And, again, let's not pretend that the discussion of whether or not to circumcise has ever revolved around medical benefits.

Oh yes the benefits are indeed marginal, but the benefits include lowering the risk of cancer, so I wouldn't just discount that. But you're right, the main motivation behind it is indeed cosmetic, I'll grant you that.

But so what? It seems as though you're using the term cosmetic to try and equate it with getting a face lift or a boob job lol.

Conflict posted...

nicklebro posted...

Oh I'm sorry, it wasn't "freaks" It was just "deformed" lol

Didn't say deformed either. But then again, your dick isn't supposed to look like that, so if you want to be technical, that's accurate.

Idc about the rest of your post, lol. Funny to see you get up in arms about your dick

Maybe you didn't, but it was said, do you need me to quote the post for you?

And who determines what my dick is "supposed" to look like? There's lots of ways we alter our bodies for a variety of reasons, looking better than we normally would is probably the most common way. So if the vast majority of the people that I want to think my dick looks good prefer or at least are more comfortable with circumcised penises, wouldn't it benefit me to have a circumcised penis as long as I have no other hang ups about it?

Are you going to end every post talking about how much you don't care, telling me that I'm upset, and laughing at me? Cuz no one was buying it the first time man, and now its just getting weird...

Again man, its totally not a big deal either way. Like I said, pierced ears are probably a bigger deal to most people than what your dick looks like. I mean, when they're hard they hardly look different at all.
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yusiko posted...

no woman likes circumcised penis
trust me im gay women talk to me about it
and its all tears about having to deal with their mans disgusting deformed genitals
they lie and say they like it to spare feelings but they dont
everytime you look directly into a womans eyes as you show her your penis you can see a part of her soul die

lmao, see now this is an example of someone who is just dying of insecurity. I don't see any reason to be this upset and make such a big deal over such an insignificant issue.
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nicklebro posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

nicklebro posted...

http://www.auanet.org/guidelines/circumcision

The professionals suggest otherwise. And even if the benefits were rare, the risks are far rarer, and the benefits far outweigh the risks.

Even what you just linked suggests that both benefits and risks are largely marginal (to the extent that they are comfortable suggesting that people decide while considering personal preference of all things). Which means that it's primarily cosmetic, and any potential medical consequences (positive or negative) are secondary.

And, again, let's not pretend that the discussion of whether or not to circumcise has ever revolved around medical benefits.

Oh yes the benefits are indeed marginal, but the benefits include lowering the risk of cancer, so I wouldn't just discount that. But you're right, the main motivation behind it is indeed cosmetic, I'll grant you that.

But so what? It seems as though you're using the term cosmetic to try and equate it with getting a face lift or a boob job lol.

Because for all intents and purposes, that's what it is.

Boob jobs can have real medical benefits as well, but most people don't get them for that purpose.
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It's always the same two or three people in here (Conflict, Yusiko, and whoever else) in here crying about how "people with cut dicks must hate their parents" and that they "don't talk to girls so [you] can't possibly know what they're thinking".

Then they say "they don't care that much" but post dozens of times in these topics a piece. It makes me think they are the insecure, parent haters. Its never too late to get your dicks cut.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

Because for all intents and purposes, that's what it is.

Boob jobs can have real medical benefits as well, but most people don't get them for that purpose.

Really man? its not even close to being in the same ballpark as a face lift or boob job. And that's even if you completely discount the medical benefits, which you seem very insistent on doing. You're trying to use semantics rather than actually addressing the topic itself. You're trying to handcuff it to something ridiculous like giving a baby a boob job because its literally impossible make that argument solely using the topic of circumcision. Forget that medical governing bodies recommend that babies be circumcised as as infants, its just what our culture has determined to be normal. Really that's what you should be talking about, how its completely a cultural construct who's initial benefits have been significantly reduced with modern medicine and consistent personal hygiene.

But even then, it still doesn't refute the fact that in America (and I'm sure another country or two, don't care enough to look) being circumcised is the norm and having the procedure done when you're an infant is not only the norm, but what our medical associations recommend. I just don't see why you feel the need to discount the medical benefits and the fact that its a cultural norm. Is it because you disagree with the practice? If so, why? I'd like to hear this from someone like you who's capable of not taking things personally and getting defensive about the issue.
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RighteousTip posted...

It's always the same two or three people in here (Conflict, Yusiko, and whoever else) in here crying about how "people with cut dicks must hate their parents" and that they "don't talk to girls so [you] can't possibly know what they're thinking".

Then they say "they don't care that much" but post dozens of times in these topics a piece. It makes me think they are the insecure, parent haters. Its never too late to get your dicks cut.

lol powerful username to topic ratio.

But yeah, Conflict is obviously following some kind of formula that he thinks masks how much these topics bother him lol. Every post says "I don't care, but you're obviously mad, and I'm laughing at you!" Which is like, the trifecta of butthurtedness lol. Only thing missing is a post that goes like "LOL OMG! I'm dying, this hilarious! OMG can't breathe! LMAO seriously this is the funniest thing ever! LMFAO!!!!"
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nicklebro posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

Because for all intents and purposes, that's what it is.

Boob jobs can have real medical benefits as well, but most people don't get them for that purpose.

Really man? its not even close to being in the same ballpark as a face lift or boob job. And that's even if you completely discount the medical benefits, which you seem very insistent on doing. You're trying to use semantics rather than actually addressing the topic itself. You're trying to handcuff it to something ridiculous like giving a baby a boob job because its literally impossible make that argument solely using the topic of circumcision. Forget that medical governing bodies recommend that babies be circumcised as as infants, its just what our culture has determined to be normal. Really that's what you should be talking about, how its completely a cultural construct who's initial benefits have been significantly reduced with modern medicine and consistent personal hygiene.

But even then, it still doesn't refute the fact that in America (and I'm sure another country or two, don't care enough to look) being circumcised is the norm and having the procedure done when you're an infant is not only the norm, but what our medical associations recommend. I just don't see why you feel the need to discount the medical benefits and the fact that its a cultural norm. Is it because you disagree with the practice? If so, why? I'd like to hear this from someone like you who's capable of not taking things personally and getting defensive about the issue.

I am doing no such thing, and I don't know why you think so.

Circumcision is an unnecessary cosmetic surgery that has religious origins and saw a more modern puritan resurgence in the United States. As a result, it is normal for American men to be circumcised. Like many other cosmetic surgeries, it comes with a collection of potential medical benefits and risks that do not supersede the fundamentally personal and/or cosmetic nature of the operation. It being a culturally normative cosmetic surgery doesn't change any of that.

But, if you really don't like me using the term "cosmetic," we can get rid of that word for this discussion. Because moreso than "cosmetic," the word "unnecessary" is far more important. And this is the key: I don't think that unnecessary surgery should be performed on infants or otherwise forced upon another person. If it's medically necessary, then fine. But barring that, it should be a decision made by the individual.

Those medical experts who encourage getting circumcision done as early as possible do so in the context of a cultural where it is normal for parents to circumcise their children. If some other unnecessary surgery was in circumcision's place, it would be the same situation. A medical expert saying that circumcision should be done early isn't necessarily saying that "circumcision should be done," but rather "because circumcision is something done by parents in this country, and as it is largely superfluous as a medical procedure, it should be done sooner rather than later."

But the quick answer to the question of why I disagree with this practice, is that it's because I disagree with unnecessary medical procedures being forced on individuals in general.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

Those medical experts who encourage getting circumcision done as early as possible do so in the context of a cultural where it is normal for parents to circumcise their children. If some other unnecessary surgery was in circumcision's place, it would be the same situation. A medical expert saying that circumcision should be done early isn't necessarily saying that "circumcision should be done," but rather "because circumcision is something done by parents in this country, and as it is largely superfluous as a medical procedure, it should be done sooner rather than later."

See now you're starting to stick to just the facts, much better. Yes its totally an archaic practice who's origins were based in a religion and really no longer apply the vast majority of people(basically any non Jew) and the medical benefits that remain only apply in a minute percentage of cases. But then you go on to say that the medical benefits and cultural benefits do not "supersede the fundamentally personal and/or cosmetic nature of the operation" which is a non sequitur.

See this is what I'm trying to get at, even though everything you've said about the procedure is at least technically true, you're still saying you disagree with it and not ever explaining why. You keep reverting to using some vague description like "cosmetic surgery" or "unnecessary procedure" because in most cases, its self evident why babies shouldn't get cosmetic surgery or unnecessary procedures. But it doesn't work when you replace those terms with "circumcision" Its no longer self evident. So can you explain why?

The issue is I just don't see any reason to be ANTI circumcision. I can see being neutral, and obviously cultural norms make being pro circumcision the default stance. So what is it about circumcision that makes you think that its not only unnecessary, but detrimental?

Dragonblade01 posted...

. A medical expert saying that circumcision should be done early isn't necessarily saying that "circumcision should be done," but rather "because circumcision is something done by parents in this country, and as it is largely superfluous as a medical procedure, it should be done sooner rather than later."

That's a pretty baseless assertion you're making there. I know you'd love to completely discount the medical benefits of circumcision, but medical associations tend to frown on that. If a procedure has a .01% chance of preventing cancer, and the risks of said procedure do not come close to outweighing the benefits, why wouldn't a medical association recommend that procedure?

It really baffles me as to why you're doing this, and makes it even harder to guess why you're anti circumcision at all. I mean its one thing to have a personal reason for disagreeing with circumcision, its an entirely different thing to pretend that the benefits don't exist. You're trying to alter the facts to fit your opinion, rather than alter your opinion to fit the facts.

This would all make a lot more sense to me if you'd just come out and say why circumcision bothers you.
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