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Fuparulez
12/05/17 4:26:46 PM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
I mean, I guess youre technically right in that their body might eventually get physically/mentally addicted to the drugs, but TC is trying to act like hes all high and mighty over someone who might actually be taking their drugs as prescribed.

Are cancer patients taking cancer drugs addicts?


Absolutely. I can't tell you how many times I've heard a cancer patient say "Man, I love me some chemotherapy, that there is some good shit!"

No, silly.
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Sad_Face
12/05/17 4:28:42 PM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
I mean if shes prescribed them, shes not an addict.


That's the same logic they use to hook you onto opiates, which if you get addicted, can lead to heroin. And then death.

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blablablax17 posted...
I work for a rehab company.
Please do some research.


Are you trying to convince TC? I would never tell a chain smoker to do research that chain smoking is bad for him if I were to try to convince him to stop his habit.
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_Goggalor_
12/05/17 5:43:02 PM
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Stfu. The fuck is wrong with you? People take medications, so what? Mental illness isn't a joke.
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ChainedRedone
12/06/17 3:39:59 PM
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To clear up the misconception: Can you be an addict to medications you're prescribed?

Yes, you can. Being an addict does NOT mean you're physically or psychologically dependent on them. Addiction requires drug use to have a serious negative impact. So if you're taking morphine daily for your back pain, regardless if you'll get withdrawals if you stop, you are not an addict unless it has a serious negative impact (eg. you're abusing them and snorting them and it's having a negative social impact). If she's taking her medications as prescribed and it is having no negative impact than she is not an addict.

It's apparently the new edgelord thing to say people who take medications are drug addicts. Shows their ignorance.

Sad_Face posted...
That's the same logic they use to hook you onto opiates, which if you get addicted, can lead to heroin. And then death.


This is bullshit. No reasonable person goes from a 2-week prescription of vicodin to heroin. The opioid scare is largely hysteria.
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blablablax17
12/06/17 3:58:48 PM
#56:


ChainedRedone posted...
To clear up the misconception: Can you be an addict to medications you're prescribed?

Yes, you can. Being an addict does NOT mean you're physically or psychologically dependent on them. Addiction requires drug use to have a serious negative impact. So if you're taking morphine daily for your back pain, regardless if you'll get withdrawals if you stop, you are not an addict unless it has a serious negative impact (eg. you're abusing them and snorting them and it's having a negative social impact). If she's taking her medications as prescribed and it is having no negative impact than she is not an addict.

It's apparently the new edgelord thing to say people who take medications are drug addicts. Shows their ignorance.

Sad_Face posted...
That's the same logic they use to hook you onto opiates, which if you get addicted, can lead to heroin. And then death.


This is bullshit. No reasonable person goes from a 2-week prescription of vicodin to heroin. The opioid scare is largely hysteria.


I agree with the first past of your post.

The second part, is far from the truth.
I work in the field of addiction and people with reasonable prescriptions can absolutely descend into using street drugs. Especially as a cheap way to control pain.
And the opioid problem is truly an epidemic in the US.
Thousands of people seek help from their addiction every year, and tens of thousands will lose everything or die to their addiction.
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ChainedRedone
12/06/17 4:06:13 PM
#57:


No the opioid epidemic is complete nonsense. Alcohol does, and always has, caused more death than all opioids combined. Yet the only time we heard about an alcohol epidemic is when people were fighting for prohibition. The reason we hear about an opioid epidemic is because of all the deaths caused by the war on drugs which contributes to fentanyl laced heroin and other related deaths.
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Zeeak4444
12/06/17 4:07:23 PM
#58:


ChainedRedone posted...
No the opioid epidemic is complete nonsense. Alcohol does, and always has, caused more death than all opioids combined. Yet the only time we heard about an alcohol epidemic is when people were fighting for prohibition. The reason we hear about an opioid epidemic is because of all the deaths caused by the war on drugs which contributes to fentanyl laced heroin and other related deaths.


That's a ridiculously audacious claim.
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ChainedRedone
12/06/17 4:09:40 PM
#59:


Zeeak4444 posted...
ChainedRedone posted...
No the opioid epidemic is complete nonsense. Alcohol does, and always has, caused more death than all opioids combined. Yet the only time we heard about an alcohol epidemic is when people were fighting for prohibition. The reason we hear about an opioid epidemic is because of all the deaths caused by the war on drugs which contributes to fentanyl laced heroin and other related deaths.


That's a ridiculously audacious claim.


The fact that alcohol has always caused more deaths? Or the fact that the spike in deaths is the result of the war on drugs?
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Zeeak4444
12/06/17 4:10:34 PM
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ChainedRedone posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
ChainedRedone posted...
No the opioid epidemic is complete nonsense. Alcohol does, and always has, caused more death than all opioids combined. Yet the only time we heard about an alcohol epidemic is when people were fighting for prohibition. The reason we hear about an opioid epidemic is because of all the deaths caused by the war on drugs which contributes to fentanyl laced heroin and other related deaths.


That's a ridiculously audacious claim.


The fact that alcohol has always caused more deaths? Or the fact that the spike in deaths is the result of the war on drugs?


The bolded.
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blablablax17
12/06/17 4:12:41 PM
#61:


ChainedRedone posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
ChainedRedone posted...
No the opioid epidemic is complete nonsense. Alcohol does, and always has, caused more death than all opioids combined. Yet the only time we heard about an alcohol epidemic is when people were fighting for prohibition. The reason we hear about an opioid epidemic is because of all the deaths caused by the war on drugs which contributes to fentanyl laced heroin and other related deaths.


That's a ridiculously audacious claim.


The fact that alcohol has always caused more deaths? Or the fact that the spike in deaths is the result of the war on drugs?


No one has claimed that Alcohol hasn't causes more death.
And for opiates, it's super easy to get a Rx or herion off the street.
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ChainedRedone
12/06/17 4:13:06 PM
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Zeeak4444 posted...
ChainedRedone posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
ChainedRedone posted...
No the opioid epidemic is complete nonsense. Alcohol does, and always has, caused more death than all opioids combined. Yet the only time we heard about an alcohol epidemic is when people were fighting for prohibition. The reason we hear about an opioid epidemic is because of all the deaths caused by the war on drugs which contributes to fentanyl laced heroin and other related deaths.


That's a ridiculously audacious claim.


The fact that alcohol has always caused more deaths? Or the fact that the spike in deaths is the result of the war on drugs?


The bolded.


Fine. Then I change it to "the idea of an opioid epidemic is more ridiculous than the idea of an alcohol epidemic."

If you consider both to be serious epidemics, then I'll concede you at least don't have a double standard.
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masticatingman
12/06/17 4:13:37 PM
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There are obviously differences between drinking alcohol and being an alcoholic.

Big time difference between taking prescribed amounts of a medication and being an addict. Yes, those medications you described are drugs. Thats obvious.

You can be anti-addict while still doing those things.
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ChainedRedone
12/06/17 4:15:28 PM
#64:


blablablax17 posted...
ChainedRedone posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
ChainedRedone posted...
No the opioid epidemic is complete nonsense. Alcohol does, and always has, caused more death than all opioids combined. Yet the only time we heard about an alcohol epidemic is when people were fighting for prohibition. The reason we hear about an opioid epidemic is because of all the deaths caused by the war on drugs which contributes to fentanyl laced heroin and other related deaths.


That's a ridiculously audacious claim.


The fact that alcohol has always caused more deaths? Or the fact that the spike in deaths is the result of the war on drugs?


No one has claimed that Alcohol causes more death.
And for opiates, it's super easy to get a Rx or herion off the street.


Okay? That doesn't change anything.
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hollow_shrine
12/06/17 4:15:52 PM
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Hilarious? I've never found this funny. Usually it falls somewhere between sobering if it's an acquaintance or someone you see infrequently, to dread-inducing if you know you're going to have to deal with the fallout.
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Zeeak4444
12/06/17 4:16:20 PM
#66:


ChainedRedone posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
ChainedRedone posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
ChainedRedone posted...
No the opioid epidemic is complete nonsense. Alcohol does, and always has, caused more death than all opioids combined. Yet the only time we heard about an alcohol epidemic is when people were fighting for prohibition. The reason we hear about an opioid epidemic is because of all the deaths caused by the war on drugs which contributes to fentanyl laced heroin and other related deaths.


That's a ridiculously audacious claim.


The fact that alcohol has always caused more deaths? Or the fact that the spike in deaths is the result of the war on drugs?


The bolded.


Fine. Then I change it to "the idea of an opioid epidemic is more ridiculous than the idea of an alcohol epidemic."

If you consider both to be serious epidemics, then I'll concede you at least don't have a double standard.


Ya that makes perfect sense. IMO it's more fair to take them both seriously than discredit one because the others been largely ignored.

I only said it because the claim was left hanging. The opiod epidimeic is absolutely real it's just not the only epidemic nor is it as fresh as people make it out to be.
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DarkChozoGhost
12/06/17 4:18:19 PM
#67:


lol kratom. What a nothing drug. Might as well light some candles and take a bath.
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ChainedRedone
12/06/17 4:19:16 PM
#68:


DarkChozoGhost posted...
lol kratom. What a nothing drug. Might as well light some candles and take a bath.


Kratom definitely fucks me up almost as much as prescription opioids. Just saying. Prescription is obviously better, but not by as much as you'd expect.
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DarkChozoGhost
12/06/17 4:19:50 PM
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kratom did literally nothing for me every time I tried it
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sktgamer_13dude
12/06/17 4:20:33 PM
#70:


Fuparulez posted...
sktgamer_13dude posted...
I mean, I guess youre technically right in that their body might eventually get physically/mentally addicted to the drugs, but TC is trying to act like hes all high and mighty over someone who might actually be taking their drugs as prescribed.

Are cancer patients taking cancer drugs addicts?


Absolutely. I can't tell you how many times I've heard a cancer patient say "Man, I love me some chemotherapy, that there is some good shit!"

No, silly.

I mean that was the whole point of that example. Unless youre agreeing with me. Im not sure.

No the opioid epidemic is complete nonsense.


Except its legitimate. Yes, most people who take opioids after surgery wont get addicted (even cocaine can be used as a local anesthetic), but theyre fairly dangerous. If you take too much, your body will stop producing various hormones that those drugs replace (I forget the exact ones as the class was awhile ago) because it thinks you already have what you need and thats where the addiction and withdrawals start.

Its one reason why shit like Oxy has gone down in prescriptions because they would give that shit out like candy. Anyone prescribed opioids should be careful and only take the bare minimum.
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ChainedRedone
12/06/17 4:21:18 PM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
kratom did literally nothing for me every time I tried it


I recommend OPMS silver maeng da. If you buy the capsules, start out with 5 capsules if you don't have an opioid tolerance. Trust me, you'll feel it. I have a high opioid tolerance and I feel it. Though I have to take about 10-12 capsules on an empty stomach.
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southcoast09
12/06/17 4:21:53 PM
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_Goggalor_ posted...
Stfu. The fuck is wrong with you? People take medications, so what? Mental illness isn't a joke.

Yeah, but the stuff he described is not the answer. Nobody needs adderall or Valium. Period.
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ChainedRedone
12/06/17 4:23:12 PM
#74:


southcoast09 posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Stfu. The fuck is wrong with you? People take medications, so what? Mental illness isn't a joke.

Yeah, but the stuff he described is not the answer. Nobody needs adderall or Valium. Period.


Bullshit. People have legit panic attacks. Adderall has helped many people succeed.
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marc55
12/06/17 4:31:05 PM
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so going by TC logic people shouldn try to treat their mental illness
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CookieMarvin
12/06/17 4:32:07 PM
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southcoast09
12/06/17 4:35:16 PM
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Adderall is literally mdma. It needs to be outlawed.
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ChainedRedone
12/06/17 4:43:18 PM
#78:


southcoast09 posted...
Adderall is literally mdma. It needs to be outlawed.


The fuck?
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ChainedRedone
12/06/17 4:46:42 PM
#79:


sktgamer_13dude posted...
Except its legitimate. Yes, most people who take opioids after surgery wont get addicted (even cocaine can be used as a local anesthetic), but theyre fairly dangerous. If you take too much, your body will stop producing various hormones that those drugs replace (I forget the exact ones as the class was awhile ago) because it thinks you already have what you need and thats where the addiction and withdrawals start.

Its one reason why shit like Oxy has gone down in prescriptions because they would give that shit out like candy. Anyone prescribed opioids should be careful and only take the bare minimum.


As long as you feel the alcohol epidemic is an even bigger one, then I see no double standard in claiming there's an opioid epidemic. Oxy should be prescribed appropriately, now we have doctors that are so reluctant to prescribe it and people have to go through pain. The opioid epidemic hysteria has only worsened the problem because as we've seen, trying to massively cut down on prescription opioids jacks up the street prices and makes even more people go for heroin. They're fighting the "epidemic" the completely wrong way.
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MachoManSavage
12/06/17 4:53:35 PM
#80:


marc55 posted...
so going by TC logic people shouldn try to treat their mental illness


Nope. People should just have self awareness.

Adderall and Valium are drugs. No dispute from anyone. They are strong ass drugs. I feel like a God on Adderall and I'm not afraid of anything on Valium.

Addiction is relying on something physically and mentally. When someone needs a strong as stimulant every day to get out of bed, they are addicted. If someone needs strong drugs to function at work, they are addicted.

Hence, my coworker is a drug addict.

Their is nothing hilarious about addiction folks. What's funny is the hypocracy. I'm the addict to her because i eat a leaf that gets me warm (and every other person doesn't even feel it) where as she's on a multitude of powerful drugs, yet hers are "medications". I don't like the lack of self awareness.

CookieMarvin posted...
kratom sux


Yep. No ones forcing you to like it. I like kratom.

southcoast09 posted...
Adderall is literally mdma. It needs to be outlawed.


No drug should be outlawed. But we probably should't be prescribing them daily fir long term. Or to kids. That's stupid. But if an adult wants a good productive day from time to time, he should be able to consume it.
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Zeeak4444
12/06/17 4:55:01 PM
#81:


ChainedRedone posted...
southcoast09 posted...
Adderall is literally mdma. It needs to be outlawed.


The fuck?


South coast is a legit idiot if he's not an outright troll.

Statements like this are to be expected by him.

@MachoManSavage Adderall is not MDMA... nothing even remotely close.
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ChainedRedone
12/06/17 5:02:25 PM
#82:


MachoManSavage posted...
Addiction is relying on something physically and mentally. When someone needs a strong as stimulant every day to get out of bed, they are addicted. If someone needs strong drugs to function at work, they are addicted.


Wrong. Look up what addiction is. Read DSM criteria or some other health professional criteria. No addiction specialist will EVER say dependence is the same as addiction. You're just ignorant.
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sktgamer_13dude
12/06/17 5:14:56 PM
#83:


southcoast09 posted...
Adderall is literally mdma. It needs to be outlawed.

Just because its part of the amphetamine family doesnt mean its MDMA.
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thronedfire2
12/06/17 6:34:30 PM
#84:


I wish I had been on adderal when I was a kid, woulda actually done all my work in school. Now when I take it I just like it because it's the only thing that clears my head for a decent amount of time
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MachoManSavage
12/06/17 8:24:24 PM
#85:


Zeeak4444 posted...
ChainedRedone posted...
southcoast09 posted...
Adderall is literally mdma. It needs to be outlawed.


The fuck?


South coast is a legit idiot if he's not an outright troll.

Statements like this are to be expected by him.

@MachoManSavage Adderall is not MDMA... nothing even remotely close.


I never said it was MDMA. They are very different
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Zeeak4444
12/06/17 8:25:54 PM
#86:


MachoManSavage posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
ChainedRedone posted...
southcoast09 posted...
Adderall is literally mdma. It needs to be outlawed.


The fuck?


South coast is a legit idiot if he's not an outright troll.

Statements like this are to be expected by him.

@MachoManSavage Adderall is not MDMA... nothing even remotely close.


I never said it was MDMA. They are very different


I meant most of it to SC. I only tagged you since you responded to his statement in a way that made it appear you might have taken him at his word. Your part was for clarification just in case.
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