Current Events > I appealed a moderation to lead mod on 11/23/2017. It'll be addressed in 48 hrs.

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lmfao

Yeah I get I appealed on thanksgiving so I really wasn't expecting anything that week, but bro they've had a full week and weekend, but nothing yet

Has anyone ever gotten a reply from a lead mod appeal?
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I interpret appealed moderations that don't get addressed until the moderation period is over to be a simple case of "shit, he's right but we don't want to lose face" where they just ignore it rather than admit they were wrong.
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There are people who were suspended around then that still haven't been turned to a purgatory or ban. So you are lucky you aren't in that situation.
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s0nicfan posted...

I interpret appealed moderations that don't get addressed until the moderation period is over to be a simple case of "shit, he's right but we don't want to lose face" where they just ignore it rather than admit they were wrong.

Interesting. Because it did result in a warn, and that period has obviously way expired.

Who are the lead mods anyways? Can you or someone tag them in here? There's no way to "bump" an appeal...
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s0nicfan posted...

I interpret appealed moderations that don't get addressed until the moderation period is over to be a simple case of "shit, he's right but we don't want to lose face" where they just ignore it rather than admit they were wrong.

I get mine overturned all the time by leads. TC maybe you're a high volume appealer with low amounts of turnovers and they're letting it hang for a while.
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Muffinz0rz posted...

s0nicfan posted...

I interpret appealed moderations that don't get addressed until the moderation period is over to be a simple case of "shit, he's right but we don't want to lose face" where they just ignore it rather than admit they were wrong.

Interesting. Because it did result in a warn, and that period has obviously way expired.

Who are the lead mods anyways? Can you or someone tag them in here? There's no way to "bump" an appeal...

http://www.ksot.net/BoardsFAQ.html#mods

REMercsChamp posted...

s0nicfan posted...

I interpret appealed moderations that don't get addressed until the moderation period is over to be a simple case of "shit, he's right but we don't want to lose face" where they just ignore it rather than admit they were wrong.

I get mine overturned all the time by leads. TC maybe you're a high volume appealer with low amounts of turnovers and they're letting it hang for a while.

I've appealed maybe a dozen times over the past 15 years. That's not the issue.
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Admiral, a formal mod has admitted mods do that when they know they're wrong.
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TC I had to make a topic on hellhole about it to get a mod to respond. And yea the Admiral is right. Some mod modded it and all the other mods know its wrong but don't want to overturn it. So what's gonna happen is a mod is gonna respond and uphold it on some ridiculous mental gymnastics and your gonna have to take it all the way to Allen. In my case Allen overturned it. There is hope TC, just make a topic on hellhole
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Is there any punishment if a mod is wrong? What exactly can happen to them that would not make them just admit they were wrong and move on.
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REMercsChamp posted...

s0nicfan posted...

I interpret appealed moderations that don't get addressed until the moderation period is over to be a simple case of "shit, he's right but we don't want to lose face" where they just ignore it rather than admit they were wrong.

I get mine overturned all the time by leads. TC maybe you're a high volume appealer with low amounts of turnovers and they're letting it hang for a while.

I'm not though, that's the thing. I totally get it for people who appeal literally every moderation just to feel like they're sticking it to the mods or some shit, but I think I've only appealed 4-5 in the last several years (and this is the first one IIRC that I've ever sent all the way to a lead).

ChainedRedone posted...

Admiral, a formal mod has admitted mods do that when they know they're wrong.

Lmao jesus, imagine being so insecure in one's abilities to moderate an unknown message board that they actually pull shit like that

glitteringfairy posted...

TC I had to make a topic on hellhole about it to get a mod to respond. And yea the Admiral is right. Some mod modded it and all the other mods know its wrong but don't want to overturn it. So what's gonna happen is a mod is gonna respond and uphold it on some ridiculous mental gymnastics and your gonna have to take it all the way to Allen. In my case Allen overturned it. There is hope TC, just make a topic on hellhole

Can you link to hellhole? I have no idea how to find it.

JackSwanye2 posted...

Is there any punishment if a mod is wrong? What exactly can happen to them that would not make them just admit they were wrong and move on.

I doubt it. They're basically NFL refs - making shit up as they go along.
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Someone once said that they overturn moderations just after the message/topic has already purged, so no message is restored. If it is indeed overturned, is that a permission to repost?
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TC just type in "hellhole" in the search bar. It's a game board. Commodore 64 I believe
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Laserion posted...

Someone once said that they overturn moderations just after the message/topic has already purged, so no message is restored. If it is indeed overturned, is that a permission to repost?

If it is a message wouldn't that mean they won. While it was overturned they still got your post deleted.

Maybe with a topic you can get a sense of victory but if it was like a 300+ post thread the respost might not get as many posts.
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Laserion posted...

Someone once said that they overturn moderations just after the message/topic has already purged, so no message is restored. If it is indeed overturned, is that a permission to repost?

Interesting. The post and topic itself purg'd probably a week ago too (my modded post was a post in the topic, not the topic itself), so the message wouldn't come back I don't think.

That said, I can see how they might permanently leave it in appeal purgatory in order to prevent me from posting it again.

Spoiler alert: It was a harmless gif marked as "offensive" because apparently poop is offensive (and it wasn't real life poop - it was a South Park gif of Randy Marsh pooping at the end of "The Biggest Crap In The Universe")

glitteringfairy posted...

TC just type in "hellhole" in the search bar. It's a game board. Commodore 64 I believe

ty
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They never overturn, its all just horseshit
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My fucking main has been blocked for 2 weeks now
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if it's any consolation, mine didn't get responded to until the last day before it disappeared and i got my 10 karma back :)
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Or it could be that there are tons of moderations in the queue and a limited staff that can review them all. And as we approach the holiday season, more people are out and about and likely have less time to look at appeals.

And generally, no, long wait for appeals aren't because mods know the user is right. Oftentimes, it is because there is a valid case to be made on both sides, and further research must be made before making a final decision. Oftentimes a mod will consult another mod for a second opinion, or look at a user's post history, or read the topic for context, or research the game/show/current event being mentioned in the post. That takes time, and admittedly, sometimes getting started is the hardest part. Like starting a paper you know will take a while to finish.

I have no problem admitting if I messed up a moderation and will overturn a post as soon as it is deemed necessary.

But no, mods are out to get you, they don't want to admit being wrong, etc.
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Lmao @ the ass pull by the mod itt. Its not hard to just do your job correctly and not mod people incorrectly
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Nothing new. Moderators on this site can delete whatever they want with impunity and there's nothing you can do about it.
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Zanzenburger posted...

And generally, no, long wait for appeals aren't because mods know the user is right. Oftentimes, it is because there is a valid case to be made on both sides,

You said that that's generally not the case. So you admit that that does happen some of the time, though?
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If an appeal goes over 48 hours let alone a week it should be automatically relaxed. No excuses
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One time I got moderated for something that wasn't actually a violation. So I appealed it all the way to the administrator, who overturned it. Every mod along the way argued that it was a valid moderation before the administrator overturned it.

Then guess what happens? A moderator goes and deletes a different one of my posts that had almost PRECISELY the same content as my first post that got modded/overturned by admin.

Even when you appeal a moderation all the way to the administration, it doesn't matter. They'll just go find another one of your posts and delete that. What are you gonna? Quit your job and take up a career of writing appeals to GameFAQs admins?
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DifferentialEquation posted...

Zanzenburger posted...

And generally, no, long wait for appeals aren't because mods know the user is right. Oftentimes, it is because there is a valid case to be made on both sides,

You said that that's generally not the case. So you admit that that does happen some of the time, though?

I say generally because I cannot speak for other mods, only myself. And no, if I know a user is right in a dispute, I overturn immediately.
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I had either sballen or morgan reply to an appeal with basically this response:

"I would have overturned this mod but you were a little mean in your appeal so i wont"

Kinda ridiculous, he wasnt even hiding that 1) it was an incorrect mod and 2) he was enforcing it for petty reasons
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Zanzenburger posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

Zanzenburger posted...

And generally, no, long wait for appeals aren't because mods know the user is right. Oftentimes, it is because there is a valid case to be made on both sides,

You said that that's generally not the case. So you admit that that does happen some of the time, though?

I say generally because I cannot speak for other mods, only myself. And no, if I know a user is right in a dispute, I overturn immediately.

I'm not calling your honesty into question. But the way you worded that, it sounded like you're aware that it does happen occasionally from other mods.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

Zanzenburger posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

Zanzenburger posted...

And generally, no, long wait for appeals aren't because mods know the user is right. Oftentimes, it is because there is a valid case to be made on both sides,

You said that that's generally not the case. So you admit that that does happen some of the time, though?

I say generally because I cannot speak for other mods, only myself. And no, if I know a user is right in a dispute, I overturn immediately.

I'm not calling your honesty into question. But the way you worded that, it sounded like you're aware that it does happen occasionally from other mods.

It didn't mean to come across that way, I apologize.

I, personally, have not seen a moderator or group of moderators intentionally delay a dispute or appeal because they didn't want to admit they were wrong.

At worst, sometimes the research it takes to decide who was right in a dispute is such a daunting task and it is just a matter of finding a moderator that is willing to take it on.

I have seen week-long arguments between mods who cannot agree whether or not a post should be overturned and that can sometimes cause a delay as well.
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I had a mod and a lead mod respond to me within hours after I directly called them out on being slow the appeal. Now I'm waiting on the admin appeal because of course the first appeal is disregarded because it's always the original mod that replies so of course they're going to uphold it and then the lead mod just sucked the first mod's dick.
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Fishy posted...

I had a mod and a lead mod respond to me within hours after I directly called them out on being slow the appeal. Now I'm waiting on the admin appeal because of course the first appeal is disregarded because it's always the original mod that replies so of course they're going to uphold it and then the lead mod just sucked the first mod's dick.

That's not true. It is not always the original mod who replies the first appeal. An original mod may overturn it, but it is a different mod who upholds it.
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Zanzenburger posted...

It is not always the original mod who replies the first appeal.

Why does the original mod even get a say in appeals. Inherently they're going to be biased.
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Fishy posted...

Zanzenburger posted...

It is not always the original mod who replies the first appeal.

Why does the original mod even get a say in appeals. Inherently they're going to be biased.

The original mod is given the opportunity to overturn their moderation as a way to "own up" to it and apologize, so to speak. That happens when a second mod disagrees with the first mod's moderation.
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Zanzenburger posted...

The original mod is given the opportunity to overturn their moderation as a way to "own up" to it and apologize, so to speak. That happens when a second mod disagrees with the first mod's moderation.

So you're saying mods don't uphold their own moderations?
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If even cops will side with a peer who committed a crime, you can bet your ass anonymous gfaqs mods will.

Fishy posted...

Zanzenburger posted...

The original mod is given the opportunity to overturn their moderation as a way to "own up" to it and apologize, so to speak. That happens when a second mod disagrees with the first mod's moderation.

So you're saying mods don't uphold their own moderations?

It is possible, but uncommon. Think of it as a mod's appeal system. If they don't agree with the second mod's opinion, they can uphold and leave to a lead mod to decide.
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Thugstar posted...

If even cops will side with a peer who committed a crime, you can bet your ass anonymous gfaqs mods will.

Not really an equivalency at all. In a situation like that you likely know them personally and their family, you know what the fallout from that would be.
Most mods don't know each other and it's all over the internet so it's not personal and even then there's next to no fallout for you as a moderator overturning a moderation, unless it's happening so frequently it gets to a point where that mod could be seen as abusing your power or not being capable of doing it properly so worst case is you get demodded, but even then there's no stakes there. You're not fucking over the livelihood and family of someone you know personally by agreeing that another moderator made a mistake. You just overturn it and nobody thinks about it again.
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Fishy posted...

Zanzenburger posted...

It is not always the original mod who replies the first appeal.

Why does the original mod even get a say in appeals. Inherently they're going to be biased.

He's saying a second mod always looks at it first but they'll either overturn it themselves (disagree) or forward it back to the original mod (confused). The original mod can then either overturn it themselves or clearly explain their reasoning as to why they did it and continue to uphold it.
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If the mods don't have time to address appeals before the holidays the why are they even taking action against accounts that make people lose access to them or site privileges anyways? And if you need to do a lengthy bit of research after modding someone just to justify it then why is that person even handling that mark?
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Zanzenburger posted...

Oftentimes a mod will consult another mod for a second opinion

I thought this was supposed to happen with every appeal at this point? Didn't that change recently? IIRC I read something that any appeals go to mods different from those who made the original moderation.

Zanzenburger posted...

or look at a user's post history

Why should posting history be brought into question? I disagree with this wholeheartedly. Every moderation should be treated separately. If two people post the exact same thing, there shouldn't be more leniency for one user over the other.

Thank you for providing some insight. I still maintain mine should be open and shut.
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Gamer99z posted...

Thugstar posted...

If even cops will side with a peer who committed a crime, you can bet your ass anonymous gfaqs mods will.

Not really an equivalency at all. In a situation like that you likely know them personally and their family, you know what the fallout from that would be.
Most mods don't know each other and it's all over the internet so it's not personal and even then there's next to no fallout for you as a moderator overturning a moderation, unless it's happening so frequently it gets to a point where that mod could be seen as abusing your power or not being capable of doing it properly so worst case is you get demodded, but even then there's no stakes there. You're not fucking over the livelihood and family of someone you know personally by agreeing that another moderator made a mistake. You just overturn it and nobody thinks about it again.

Didn't know you could read the mind of cops or are you just assuming all cops have a standard thought process of considering the families of criminal colleagues? Then they might as well never arrest anybody because everyone has a family.
You also pretend to know all details about mod interactions here. It's just the internet where nothing is real and relationships can't begin? Clique forming happens anywhere.

Muffinz0rz posted...

I thought this was supposed to happen with every appeal at this point? Didn't that change recently? IIRC I read something that any appeals go to mods different from those who made the original moderation.

A second, different mod will look at it. But if that second mod is unsure who to side with (user or first mod), they may talk to a third, or even fourth mod for more feedback.

Muffinz0rz posted...

Why should posting history be brought into question? I disagree with this wholeheartedly. Every moderation should be treated separately. If two people post the exact same thing, there shouldn't be more leniency for one user over the other.

If a user makes a post that is a follow up to a previous post, or has a history of trolling that board, or is posting the same message everywhere to the point of disruption, then checking post histories are appropriate. Sometimes it is just to better understand the context of the post in question.
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M_Live posted...

I got a 3KL for posting a DMX song once, it was marked as offensive. Pleaded it all the way up and didn't get over turned, posted a topic about it, and had a mod go to war with me in the topic defending the moderation. Honestly I think that was the only bullshit moderation I've ever had lol

Lol

I would love a chance to defend myself publicly, it's better than having the moderation just sit in purgatory.

The topic is long gone anyways, it's not like they'd have to restore it.
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