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piUrsEitanizm 11/10/17 5:38:03 AM #1:	Don't transgenders want to feel normal and don't even really ever consider themselves gay? What would any progress made for transgenders do for anyone who isn't transgender? Wouldn't real progress for transgenders be a world that treats them as normal to the degree that nobody notices them anymore than anyone else? --- That is all. <cite>piUrsEitanizm posted [p:890116020] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote>Don't transgenders want to feel normal and don't even really ever consider themselves gay? What would any progress made for transgenders do for anyone who isn't transgender? Wouldn't real progress for transgenders be a world that treats them as normal to the degree that nobody notices them anymore than anyone else?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
blahblahfatbomb 11/10/17 5:45:34 AM #2:	O_o --- Skittle farting unicorn in a hot pink tutu. <cite>blahblahfatbomb posted [p:890116165] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote>O_o</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 11/10/17 5:46:40 AM #3:	piUrsEitanizm posted... Wouldn't real progress for transgenders be a world that treats them as normal to the degree that nobody notices them anymore than anyone else? That's...exactly what they want to achieve. People are preventing that. --- "I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_II <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:890116186] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>piUrsEitanizm posted...</cite> <quote>Wouldn't real progress for transgenders be a world that treats them as normal to the degree that nobody notices them anymore than anyone else? </quote> That's...exactly what they want to achieve. People are preventing that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 11/10/17 5:47:16 AM #4:	Your attempt to sound insightful had really just made you sound dumb. --- http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:890116198] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote>Your attempt to sound insightful had really just made you sound dumb.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamer167 11/10/17 5:59:04 AM #5:	Because its zir turn! --- https://i.imgflip.com/1jhnka.jpg <cite>gamer167 posted [p:890116389] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote>Because its zir turn!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
knutjob 11/10/17 6:00:02 AM #6:	Because it demonstrates acceptance <cite>knutjob posted [p:890116405] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote>Because it demonstrates acceptance</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Izual_Reborn 11/10/17 6:02:35 AM #7:	piUrsEitanizm posted... Wouldn't real progress for transgenders be a world that treats them as normal to the degree that nobody notices them anymore than anyone else? Because for most trans people knowing someone is a man in a womens body isn't enough. They want to be treated like a man in a womens body as well. --- We have no empathy, and we expect none from you. When the terror comes, we will make no excuses. RIP Deno <cite>Izual_Reborn posted [p:890116446] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>piUrsEitanizm posted...</cite> <quote>Wouldn't real progress for transgenders be a world that treats them as normal to the degree that nobody notices them anymore than anyone else?</quote> Because for most trans people knowing someone is a man in a womens body isn't enough. They want to be treated like a man in a womens body as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 11/10/17 6:03:30 AM #8:	1. What the hell does gender identity have to do with sexual orientation? 2. It's about acceptance as opposed to ostracism - just the idea that someone that is transgender can achieve these things in spite of the prejudice that exists in this world. 3. Pronoun mockery is rude. --- ~Drewnami: The Drew abides.~ Gonads are useful for their purpose, but they are no substitute for brains. -Paul Harvey <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:890116463] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote>1. What the hell does gender identity have to do with sexual orientation? 2. It's about acceptance as opposed to ostracism - just the idea that someone that is transgender can achieve these things in spite of the prejudice that exists in this world. 3. Pronoun mockery is rude.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceAttorneyist 11/10/17 6:03:47 AM #9:	I feel like our technology isn't yet advanced enough for transgenders to seamlessly transition anyway. Being against it is very reasonable, it's a completely different thing from gay rights. --- (... D-Do I really inspire this sort of frothing desire from the female masses?) <cite>AceAttorneyist posted [p:890116468] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote>I feel like our technology isn't yet advanced enough for transgenders to seamlessly transition anyway. Being against it is very reasonable, it's a completely different thing from gay rights.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sayoria 11/10/17 6:06:16 AM #10:	Because assholes will keep calling us out if we arent up front about it anyways. It is obvious problems would arise by vocal morons against transgender people, so why not address it? Plus with the widespread knowledge, it shows more people are becoming less hateful just becauae someone is trans. It is really amazing. --- Japanese Crack: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5pzggr <cite>Sayoria posted [p:890116496] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote>Because assholes will keep calling us out if we arent up front about it anyways. It is obvious problems would arise by vocal morons against transgender people, so why not address it? Plus with the widespread knowledge, it shows more people are becoming less hateful just becauae someone is trans. It is really amazing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 11/10/17 6:57:14 AM #11:	AceAttorneyist posted... I feel like our technology isn't yet advanced enough for transgenders to seamlessly transition anyway. Being against it is very reasonable, it's a completely different thing from gay rights. Being against something you don't understand is the exact opposite of reason --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:890117448] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>AceAttorneyist posted...</cite> <quote>I feel like our technology isn't yet advanced enough for transgenders to seamlessly transition anyway. Being against it is very reasonable, it's a completely different thing from gay rights.</quote> Being against something you don't understand is the exact opposite of reason</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/10/17 7:01:49 AM #12:	are people aware that referring to black people as "the blacks" is racist? are people aware that referring to transgender people as "transgenders" is dehumanizing in the same way? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:890117540] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote>are people aware that referring to black people as "the blacks" is racist? are people aware that referring to transgender people as "transgenders" is dehumanizing in the same way?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 11/10/17 7:23:00 AM #13:	averagejoel posted... are people aware that referring to black people as "the blacks" is racist? are people aware that referring to transgender people as "transgenders" is dehumanizing in the same way? ITP calling transgender people transgender is offensive. --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:890117982] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>are people aware that referring to black people as "the blacks" is racist? are people aware that referring to transgender people as "transgenders" is dehumanizing in the same way?</quote> ITP calling transgender people transgender is offensive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/10/17 7:39:21 AM #14:	thelovefist posted... averagejoel posted... are people aware that referring to black people as "the blacks" is racist? are people aware that referring to transgender people as "transgenders" is dehumanizing in the same way? ITP calling transgender people transgender is offensive. can you read? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:890118384] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>are people aware that referring to black people as "the blacks" is racist? are people aware that referring to transgender people as "transgenders" is dehumanizing in the same way?</quote> ITP calling transgender people transgender is offensive.</quote> can you read?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 11/10/17 7:42:07 AM #15:	averagejoel posted... thelovefist posted... averagejoel posted... are people aware that referring to black people as "the blacks" is racist? are people aware that referring to transgender people as "transgenders" is dehumanizing in the same way? ITP calling transgender people transgender is offensive. can you read? Yes, he can read. It's how he knew you said some dumb shit. --- http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:890118468] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>are people aware that referring to black people as "the blacks" is racist? are people aware that referring to transgender people as "transgenders" is dehumanizing in the same way?</quote> ITP calling transgender people transgender is offensive.</quote> can you read?</quote> Yes, he can read. It's how he knew you said some dumb shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/10/17 7:44:21 AM #16:	pegusus123456 posted... averagejoel posted... thelovefist posted... averagejoel posted... are people aware that referring to black people as "the blacks" is racist? are people aware that referring to transgender people as "transgenders" is dehumanizing in the same way? ITP calling transgender people transgender is offensive. can you read? Yes, he can read. It's how he knew you said some dumb shit. reducing a marginalized person to one aspect of their identity is dehumanizing it's not that hard to remember that "transgender" is an adjective, not a noun --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:890118532] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>pegusus123456 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>are people aware that referring to black people as "the blacks" is racist? are people aware that referring to transgender people as "transgenders" is dehumanizing in the same way?</quote> ITP calling transgender people transgender is offensive.</quote> can you read?</quote> Yes, he can read. It's how he knew you said some dumb shit.</quote> reducing a marginalized person to one aspect of their identity is dehumanizing it's not that hard to remember that "transgender" is an adjective, not a noun</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 11/10/17 7:48:12 AM #17:	averagejoel posted... reducing a marginalized person to one aspect of their identity is dehumanizing it's not that hard to remember that "transgender" is an adjective, not a noun You know what else is an adjective and not a noun? Stupid. As in, "You just said something that was stupid." In which "stupid" is an adjective describing the noun "something" that you (verb) said. --- http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:890118631] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote> reducing a marginalized person to one aspect of their identity is dehumanizing it's not that hard to remember that "transgender" is an adjective, not a noun</quote> You know what else is an adjective and not a noun? Stupid. As in, "You just said something that was stupid." In which "stupid" is an adjective describing the noun "something" that you (verb) said.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 11/10/17 7:49:35 AM #18:	piUrsEitanizm posted... What would any progress made for transgenders do for anyone who isn't transgender? it would indicate that at least some voters are capable of recognizing quality leadership skills is more important than whether someone is of their group or of the 'other' people who are transgendered are constantly being told by those around them that they are the 'other'. my friend jo, who is trans, on a daily basis is told insulting things, referred to as 'he' with emphasis, asked whether she's cut her dick off yet or not, etc. things you'd take as severe sexual harassment if you were a man. things you'd take as severe sexual harassment if you were a woman. people are shits to her because they want to view her as the 'other' and not part of their accepted world. in that world, a success for one seems like a success for all, because it says "you can do it too." this is also why so many women were excited for hillary clinton. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:890118682] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>piUrsEitanizm posted...</cite> <quote>What would any progress made for transgenders do for anyone who isn't transgender?</quote> it would indicate that at least some voters are capable of recognizing quality leadership skills is more important than whether someone is of their group or of the 'other' people who are transgendered are constantly being told by those around them that they are the 'other'. my friend jo, who is trans, on a daily basis is told insulting things, referred to as 'he' with emphasis, asked whether she's cut her dick off yet or not, etc. things you'd take as severe sexual harassment if you were a man. things you'd take as severe sexual harassment if you were a woman. people are shits to her because they want to view her as the 'other' and not part of their accepted world. in that world, a success for one seems like a success for all, because it says "you can do it too." this is also why so many women were excited for hillary clinton.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/10/17 7:51:36 AM #19:	pegusus123456 posted... averagejoel posted... reducing a marginalized person to one aspect of their identity is dehumanizing it's not that hard to remember that "transgender" is an adjective, not a noun You know what else is an adjective and not a noun? Stupid. As in, "You just said something that was stupid." In which "stupid" is an adjective describing the noun "something" that you (verb) said. I'm sorry that you're unable to formulate a cogent point please try an actual explanation instead of being abrasive next time, thanks --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:890118730] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>pegusus123456 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote> reducing a marginalized person to one aspect of their identity is dehumanizing it's not that hard to remember that "transgender" is an adjective, not a noun</quote> You know what else is an adjective and not a noun? Stupid. As in, "You just said something that was stupid." In which "stupid" is an adjective describing the noun "something" that you (verb) said.</quote> I'm sorry that you're unable to formulate a cogent point please try an actual explanation instead of being abrasive next time, thanks</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 11/10/17 7:52:53 AM #20:	averagejoel posted... I'm sorry that you're unable to formulate a cogent point please try an actual explanation instead of being abrasive next time, thanks I wouldn't call it being abrasive, it's just stating a fact. It's the tenth of November in the year of our Lord 2017. It is currently 7:52 AM on the east coast of the United States. You said something stupid. --- http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:890118762] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>I'm sorry that you're unable to formulate a cogent point please try an actual explanation instead of being abrasive next time, thanks</quote> I wouldn't call it being abrasive, it's just stating a fact. It's the tenth of November in the year of our Lord 2017. It is currently 7:52 AM on the east coast of the United States. You said something stupid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glass_Phantom 11/10/17 7:53:25 AM #21:	thelovefist posted... averagejoel posted... are people aware that referring to black people as "the blacks" is racist? are people aware that referring to transgender people as "transgenders" is dehumanizing in the same way? ITP calling transgender people transgender is offensive. The better term is "transgender people." Please don't be one of the ones who takes issue over a minor adjustment to your phraseology... Just show an ounce of kindness and use the right term. <cite>Glass_Phantom posted [p:890118785] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>are people aware that referring to black people as "the blacks" is racist? are people aware that referring to transgender people as "transgenders" is dehumanizing in the same way?</quote> ITP calling transgender people transgender is offensive.</quote> The better term is "transgender people." Please don't be one of the ones who takes issue over a minor adjustment to your phraseology... Just show an ounce of kindness and use the right term.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/10/17 7:54:27 AM #22:	pegusus123456 posted... averagejoel posted... I'm sorry that you're unable to formulate a cogent point please try an actual explanation instead of being abrasive next time, thanks I wouldn't call it being abrasive, it's just stating a fact. It's the tenth of November in the year of our Lord 2017. It is currently 7:52 AM on the east coast of the United States. You said something stupid. you appear to have missed the part where i said "please try an actual explanation", so here it is again: please try an actual explanation. thank you --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:890118814] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>pegusus123456 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>I'm sorry that you're unable to formulate a cogent point please try an actual explanation instead of being abrasive next time, thanks</quote> I wouldn't call it being abrasive, it's just stating a fact. It's the tenth of November in the year of our Lord 2017. It is currently 7:52 AM on the east coast of the United States. You said something stupid.</quote> you appear to have missed the part where i said "please try an actual explanation", so here it is again: please try an actual explanation. thank you</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 11/10/17 7:56:22 AM #23:	averagejoel posted... pegusus123456 posted... averagejoel posted... thelovefist posted... averagejoel posted... are people aware that referring to black people as "the blacks" is racist? are people aware that referring to transgender people as "transgenders" is dehumanizing in the same way? ITP calling transgender people transgender is offensive. can you read? Yes, he can read. It's how he knew you said some dumb shit. reducing a marginalized person to one aspect of their identity is dehumanizing it's not that hard to remember that "transgender" is an adjective, not a noun --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:890118866] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pegusus123456 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>are people aware that referring to black people as "the blacks" is racist? are people aware that referring to transgender people as "transgenders" is dehumanizing in the same way?</quote> ITP calling transgender people transgender is offensive.</quote> can you read?</quote> Yes, he can read. It's how he knew you said some dumb shit.</quote> reducing a marginalized person to one aspect of their identity is dehumanizing it's not that hard to remember that "transgender" is an adjective, not a noun</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 11/10/17 7:57:00 AM #24:	averagejoel posted... you appear to have missed the part where i said "please try an actual explanation", so here it is again: please try an actual explanation. thank you I can't explain why you said something stupid, only you can do that. --- http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:890118887] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote> you appear to have missed the part where i said "please try an actual explanation", so here it is again: please try an actual explanation. thank you</quote> I can't explain why you said something stupid, only you can do that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 11/10/17 7:58:28 AM #25:	Glass_Phantom posted... thelovefist posted... averagejoel posted... are people aware that referring to black people as "the blacks" is racist? are people aware that referring to transgender people as "transgenders" is dehumanizing in the same way? ITP calling transgender people transgender is offensive. The better term is "transgender people." Please don't be one of the ones who takes issue over a minor adjustment to your phraseology... Just show an ounce of kindness and use the right term. If it's so minor then why even bother fighting this battle? There's much more significant issues at stake regarding transgender rights that being concerned at all about whether or not someone is calling them transgender people instead of just transgender seems like a huge misstep when you have a much greater issue with getting people to even refer to them as the correct gender in the first place. Pick up the marginal fights after you win the significant ones. --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:890118925] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>Glass_Phantom posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote> are people aware that referring to black people as "the blacks" is racist? are people aware that referring to transgender people as "transgenders" is dehumanizing in the same way? </quote> ITP calling transgender people transgender is offensive.</quote> The better term is "transgender people." Please don't be one of the ones who takes issue over a minor adjustment to your phraseology... Just show an ounce of kindness and use the right term.</quote> If it's so minor then why even bother fighting this battle? There's much more significant issues at stake regarding transgender rights that being concerned at all about whether or not someone is calling them transgender people instead of just transgender seems like a huge misstep when you have a much greater issue with getting people to even refer to them as the correct gender in the first place. Pick up the marginal fights after you win the significant ones.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 11/10/17 8:01:16 AM #26:	A_Good_Boy posted... Glass_Phantom posted... thelovefist posted... averagejoel posted... are people aware that referring to black people as "the blacks" is racist? are people aware that referring to transgender people as "transgenders" is dehumanizing in the same way? ITP calling transgender people transgender is offensive. The better term is "transgender people." Please don't be one of the ones who takes issue over a minor adjustment to your phraseology... Just show an ounce of kindness and use the right term. If it's so minor then why even bother fighting this battle? There's much more significant issues at stake regarding transgender rights that being concerned at all about whether or not someone is calling them transgender people instead of just transgender seems like a huge misstep when you have a much greater issue with getting people to even refer to them as the correct gender in the first place. Pick up the marginal fights after you win the significant ones. --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:890119000] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Glass_Phantom posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote> are people aware that referring to black people as "the blacks" is racist? are people aware that referring to transgender people as "transgenders" is dehumanizing in the same way? </quote> ITP calling transgender people transgender is offensive.</quote> The better term is "transgender people." Please don't be one of the ones who takes issue over a minor adjustment to your phraseology... Just show an ounce of kindness and use the right term.</quote> If it's so minor then why even bother fighting this battle? There's much more significant issues at stake regarding transgender rights that being concerned at all about whether or not someone is calling them transgender people instead of just transgender seems like a huge misstep when you have a much greater issue with getting people to even refer to them as the correct gender in the first place. Pick up the marginal fights after you win the significant ones.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/10/17 8:03:16 AM #27:	pegusus123456 posted... averagejoel posted... you appear to have missed the part where i said "please try an actual explanation", so here it is again: please try an actual explanation. thank you I can't explain why you said something stupid, only you can do that. you have misread my post. please read it again until you understand it correctly, then respond to what I actually meant instead of what you think I meant. thanks --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:890119052] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>pegusus123456 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote> you appear to have missed the part where i said "please try an actual explanation", so here it is again: please try an actual explanation. thank you</quote> I can't explain why you said something stupid, only you can do that.</quote> you have misread my post. please read it again until you understand it correctly, then respond to what I actually meant instead of what you think I meant. thanks</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 11/10/17 8:04:54 AM #28:	knutjob posted... Because it demonstrates acceptance Nobody should accept genital mutilation as normal. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:890119089] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote>Because it demonstrates acceptance</quote> Nobody should accept genital mutilation as normal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 11/10/17 8:06:15 AM #29:	Just pretend like darkjedi isn't even here. --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:890119125] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote>Just pretend like darkjedi isn't even here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 11/10/17 8:07:33 AM #30:	averagejoel posted... pegusus123456 posted... averagejoel posted... you appear to have missed the part where i said "please try an actual explanation", so here it is again: please try an actual explanation. thank you I can't explain why you said something stupid, only you can do that. you have misread my post. please read it again until you understand it correctly, then respond to what I actually meant instead of what you think I meant. thanks It is sublimely ridiculous to say that it is offensive to call transgender people transgender. I don't know about it being 'stupid' though if that makes you feel better. --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:890119165] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pegusus123456 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote> you appear to have missed the part where i said "please try an actual explanation", so here it is again: please try an actual explanation. thank you</quote> I can't explain why you said something stupid, only you can do that.</quote> you have misread my post. please read it again until you understand it correctly, then respond to what I actually meant instead of what you think I meant. thanks</quote> It is sublimely ridiculous to say that it is offensive to call transgender people transgender. I don't know about it being 'stupid' though if that makes you feel better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 11/10/17 8:10:35 AM #31:	Last i checked on this board, people were going on about how transgendered person was offensive as well. Come off it and stop distracting from the actual conversation. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:890119241] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote>Last i checked on this board, people were going on about how transgendered person was offensive as well. Come off it and stop distracting from the actual conversation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/10/17 8:10:43 AM #32:	thelovefist posted... averagejoel posted... pegusus123456 posted... averagejoel posted... you appear to have missed the part where i said "please try an actual explanation", so here it is again: please try an actual explanation. thank you I can't explain why you said something stupid, only you can do that. you have misread my post. please read it again until you understand it correctly, then respond to what I actually meant instead of what you think I meant. thanks It is sublimely ridiculous to say that it is offensive to call transgender people transgender. I don't know about it being 'stupid' though if that makes you feel better. you have misread one of my posts. please read it again until you understand it correctly, then respond to what I actually said instead of your misinterpretation of it. thank you --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:890119247] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pegusus123456 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote> you appear to have missed the part where i said "please try an actual explanation", so here it is again: please try an actual explanation. thank you</quote> I can't explain why you said something stupid, only you can do that.</quote> you have misread my post. please read it again until you understand it correctly, then respond to what I actually meant instead of what you think I meant. thanks</quote> It is sublimely ridiculous to say that it is offensive to call transgender people transgender. I don't know about it being 'stupid' though if that makes you feel better.</quote> you have misread one of my posts. please read it again until you understand it correctly, then respond to what I actually said instead of your misinterpretation of it. thank you</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 11/10/17 8:12:23 AM #33:	averagejoel posted... thelovefist posted... averagejoel posted... pegusus123456 posted... averagejoel posted... you appear to have missed the part where i said "please try an actual explanation", so here it is again: please try an actual explanation. thank you I can't explain why you said something stupid, only you can do that. you have misread my post. please read it again until you understand it correctly, then respond to what I actually meant instead of what you think I meant. thanks It is sublimely ridiculous to say that it is offensive to call transgender people transgender. I don't know about it being 'stupid' though if that makes you feel better. you have misread one of my posts. please read it again until you understand it correctly, then respond to what I actually said instead of your misinterpretation of it. thank you --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:890119295] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pegusus123456 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote> you appear to have missed the part where i said "please try an actual explanation", so here it is again: please try an actual explanation. thank you</quote> I can't explain why you said something stupid, only you can do that.</quote> you have misread my post. please read it again until you understand it correctly, then respond to what I actually meant instead of what you think I meant. thanks</quote> It is sublimely ridiculous to say that it is offensive to call transgender people transgender. I don't know about it being 'stupid' though if that makes you feel better.</quote> you have misread one of my posts. please read it again until you understand it correctly, then respond to what I actually said instead of your misinterpretation of it. thank you</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glass_Phantom 11/10/17 9:01:15 AM #34:	COVxy posted... Last i checked on this board, people were going on about how transgendered person was offensive as well. Come off it and stop distracting from the actual conversation. @COVxy Change begins with kindness, and with humanization. It's not about distracting from the conversation, or bludgeoning you over the head for being offensive... It's just a helpful piece of advice for people like you who are already advocating for their cause. It's important to humanize people. Calling transgender people "people" has been show to have a subtle psychological effect on people's attitudes, causing them to be less tribal in their thinking... Words are powerful like that, they can affect what's going on inside people's brains in ways that aren't obvious. Something as minor as saying "transgender people" can make anti-trans people slightly more receptive, more accepting, more persuadable. Conversely, calling them "transgendered" reinforces the fact that they're different, which has an alienating effect. Moreover, it's a simple human kindness... Why not make a minor change if it doesn't effect you, and can help make other people feel less alienated? It's a simple thing we can do to increase the happiness quotient of the world. <cite>Glass_Phantom posted [p:890120745] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>Last i checked on this board, people were going on about how transgendered person was offensive as well. Come off it and stop distracting from the actual conversation.</quote> @COVxy Change begins with kindness, and with humanization. It's not about distracting from the conversation, or bludgeoning you over the head for being offensive... It's just a helpful piece of advice for people like you who are already advocating for their cause. It's important to humanize people. Calling transgender people "people" has been show to have a subtle psychological effect on people's attitudes, causing them to be less tribal in their thinking... Words are powerful like that, they can affect what's going on inside people's brains in ways that aren't obvious. Something as minor as saying "transgender people" can make anti-trans people slightly more receptive, more accepting, more persuadable. Conversely, calling them "transgendered" reinforces the fact that they're different, which has an alienating effect. Moreover, it's a simple human kindness... Why not make a minor change if it doesn't effect you, and can help make other people feel less alienated? It's a simple thing we can do to increase the happiness quotient of the world.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 11/10/17 9:05:33 AM #35:	Glass_Phantom posted... @COVxy Change begins with kindness, and with humanization. It's not about distracting from the conversation, or bludgeoning you over the head for being offensive... It's just a helpful piece of advice for people like you who are already advocating for their cause. It's important to humanize people. Calling transgender people "people" has been show to have a subtle psychological effect on people's attitudes, causing them to be less tribal in their thinking... Words are powerful like that, they can affect what's going on inside people's brains in ways that aren't obvious. Something as minor as saying "transgender people" can make anti-trans people slightly more receptive, more accepting, more persuadable. Conversely, calling them "transgendered" reinforces the fact that they're different, which has an alienating effect. Moreover, it's a simple human kindness... Why not make a minor change if it doesn't effect you, and can help make other people feel less alienated? It's a simple thing we can do to increase the happiness quotient of the world. The point is that there is a very important and very valid cause here, and you are undermining it by deliberately finding small offenses rather than paying attention to the important global conversation. By doing so, you are exactly the type of person that people who are anti-trans are going to point to justify their thoughts. Because you just make it look like a ridiculous movement filled with people deliberately looking for things to be offended about. No matter how someone denotes a transgendered person, there's always going to be some argument you could make to the extent of its offensiveness. Manufacturing outrage over minute and unimportant issues takes away from the fact that there's an entire group of people out there that simply believe that transgenderism is just a delusional state. Maybe it's more worth convincing the public that transgenderism is a real condition before berating every other poster about minute denotion issues that are, quite frankly, manufactured. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:890120895] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>Glass_Phantom posted...</cite> <quote> @COVxy Change begins with kindness, and with humanization. It's not about distracting from the conversation, or bludgeoning you over the head for being offensive... It's just a helpful piece of advice for people like you who are already advocating for their cause. It's important to humanize people. Calling transgender people "people" has been show to have a subtle psychological effect on people's attitudes, causing them to be less tribal in their thinking... Words are powerful like that, they can affect what's going on inside people's brains in ways that aren't obvious. Something as minor as saying "transgender people" can make anti-trans people slightly more receptive, more accepting, more persuadable. Conversely, calling them "transgendered" reinforces the fact that they're different, which has an alienating effect. Moreover, it's a simple human kindness... Why not make a minor change if it doesn't effect you, and can help make other people feel less alienated? It's a simple thing we can do to increase the happiness quotient of the world. </quote> The point is that there is a very important and very valid cause here, and you are undermining it by deliberately finding small offenses rather than paying attention to the important global conversation. By doing so, you are exactly the type of person that people who are anti-trans are going to point to justify their thoughts. Because you just make it look like a ridiculous movement filled with people deliberately looking for things to be offended about. No matter how someone denotes a transgendered person, there's always going to be some argument you could make to the extent of its offensiveness. Manufacturing outrage over minute and unimportant issues takes away from the fact that there's an entire group of people out there that simply believe that transgenderism is just a delusional state. Maybe it's more worth convincing the public that transgenderism is a real condition before berating every other poster about minute denotion issues that are, quite frankly, manufactured.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/10/17 9:15:09 AM #36:	COVxy posted... Glass_Phantom posted... @COVxy Change begins with kindness, and with humanization. It's not about distracting from the conversation, or bludgeoning you over the head for being offensive... It's just a helpful piece of advice for people like you who are already advocating for their cause. It's important to humanize people. Calling transgender people "people" has been show to have a subtle psychological effect on people's attitudes, causing them to be less tribal in their thinking... Words are powerful like that, they can affect what's going on inside people's brains in ways that aren't obvious. Something as minor as saying "transgender people" can make anti-trans people slightly more receptive, more accepting, more persuadable. Conversely, calling them "transgendered" reinforces the fact that they're different, which has an alienating effect. Moreover, it's a simple human kindness... Why not make a minor change if it doesn't effect you, and can help make other people feel less alienated? It's a simple thing we can do to increase the happiness quotient of the world. The point is that there is a very important and very valid cause here, and you are undermining it by deliberately finding small offenses rather than paying attention to the important global conversation. By doing so, you are exactly the type of person that people who are anti-trans are going to point to justify their thoughts. Because you just make it look like a ridiculous movement filled with people deliberately looking for things to be offended about. No matter how someone denotes a transgendered person, there's always going to be some argument you could make to the extent of its offensiveness. Manufacturing outrage over minute and unimportant issues takes away from the fact that there's an entire group of people out there that simply believe that transgenderism is just a delusional state. Maybe it's more worth convincing the public that transgenderism is a real condition before berating every other poster about minute denotion issues that are, quite frankly, manufactured. transphobes are always going to be able to point to something to attempt to justify their thoughts, whether or not people insist on responding to dehumanizing shit directed towards trans people --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:890121218] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Glass_Phantom posted...</cite> <quote> @COVxy Change begins with kindness, and with humanization. It's not about distracting from the conversation, or bludgeoning you over the head for being offensive... It's just a helpful piece of advice for people like you who are already advocating for their cause. It's important to humanize people. Calling transgender people "people" has been show to have a subtle psychological effect on people's attitudes, causing them to be less tribal in their thinking... Words are powerful like that, they can affect what's going on inside people's brains in ways that aren't obvious. Something as minor as saying "transgender people" can make anti-trans people slightly more receptive, more accepting, more persuadable. Conversely, calling them "transgendered" reinforces the fact that they're different, which has an alienating effect. Moreover, it's a simple human kindness... Why not make a minor change if it doesn't effect you, and can help make other people feel less alienated? It's a simple thing we can do to increase the happiness quotient of the world. </quote> The point is that there is a very important and very valid cause here, and you are undermining it by deliberately finding small offenses rather than paying attention to the important global conversation. By doing so, you are exactly the type of person that people who are anti-trans are going to point to justify their thoughts. Because you just make it look like a ridiculous movement filled with people deliberately looking for things to be offended about. No matter how someone denotes a transgendered person, there's always going to be some argument you could make to the extent of its offensiveness. Manufacturing outrage over minute and unimportant issues takes away from the fact that there's an entire group of people out there that simply believe that transgenderism is just a delusional state. Maybe it's more worth convincing the public that transgenderism is a real condition before berating every other poster about minute denotion issues that are, quite frankly, manufactured.</quote> transphobes are always going to be able to point to something to attempt to justify their thoughts, whether or not people insist on responding to dehumanizing shit directed towards trans people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 11/10/17 9:22:58 AM #37:	averagejoel posted... transphobes are always going to be able to point to something to attempt to justify their thoughts, whether or not people insist on responding to dehumanizing shit directed towards trans people The vast majority of anti-trans people on this board simply haven't been convinced that it's a real thing. Seems like an empirical thing that will only creep further and further and become inevitably accepted, the more and more evidence accumulates. If you want to exert effort, do so on this front. Those who are unable to view a transgendered person as their identified gender, which may be even a subset of those who you convince with above, represents an entirely different issue. You know what helps neither? Constantly berating people for using the wrong words when trying to discuss the issue. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:890121530] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>transphobes are always going to be able to point to something to attempt to justify their thoughts, whether or not people insist on responding to dehumanizing shit directed towards trans people</quote> The vast majority of anti-trans people on this board simply haven't been convinced that it's a real thing. Seems like an empirical thing that will only creep further and further and become inevitably accepted, the more and more evidence accumulates. If you want to exert effort, do so on this front. Those who are unable to view a transgendered person as their identified gender, which may be even a subset of those who you convince with above, represents an entirely different issue. You know what helps neither? Constantly berating people for using the wrong words when trying to discuss the issue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/10/17 9:30:21 AM #38:	COVxy posted... averagejoel posted... transphobes are always going to be able to point to something to attempt to justify their thoughts, whether or not people insist on responding to dehumanizing shit directed towards trans people The vast majority of anti-trans people on this board simply haven't been convinced that it's a real thing. Seems like an empirical thing that will only creep further and further and become inevitably accepted, the more and more evidence accumulates. If you want to exert effort, do so on this front. Those who are unable to view a transgendered person as their identified gender, which may be even a subset of those who you convince with above, represents an entirely different issue. You know what helps neither? Constantly berating people for using the wrong words when trying to discuss the issue. hence, my first post in the topic: averagejoel posted... are people aware that referring to black people as "the blacks" is racist? are people aware that referring to transgender people as "transgenders" is dehumanizing in the same way? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:890121821] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>transphobes are always going to be able to point to something to attempt to justify their thoughts, whether or not people insist on responding to dehumanizing shit directed towards trans people</quote> The vast majority of anti-trans people on this board simply haven't been convinced that it's a real thing. Seems like an empirical thing that will only creep further and further and become inevitably accepted, the more and more evidence accumulates. If you want to exert effort, do so on this front. Those who are unable to view a transgendered person as their identified gender, which may be even a subset of those who you convince with above, represents an entirely different issue. You know what helps neither? Constantly berating people for using the wrong words when trying to discuss the issue.</quote> hence, my first post in the topic: <cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>are people aware that referring to black people as "the blacks" is racist? are people aware that referring to transgender people as "transgenders" is dehumanizing in the same way?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 11/10/17 9:31:58 AM #39:	I don't know what you think you're demonstrating, except that you are acting in the exact way in which I think is detrimental to the cause. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:890121871] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote>I don't know what you think you're demonstrating, except that you are acting in the exact way in which I think is detrimental to the cause.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 11/10/17 9:40:14 AM #41:	COVxy posted... I don't know what you think you're demonstrating, except that you are acting in the exact way in which I think is detrimental to the cause. asking a question to people who seem unaware is detrimental? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:890122182] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>I don't know what you think you're demonstrating, except that you are acting in the exact way in which I think is detrimental to the cause.</quote> asking a question to people who seem unaware is detrimental?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glass_Phantom 11/10/17 9:56:37 AM #42:	COVxy posted... you are exactly the type of person that people who are anti-trans are going to point to justify their thoughts. Because you just make it look like a ridiculous movement filled with people deliberately looking for things to be offended about. @COVxy If you'll permit me, I'd like to momentarily expand the subject in order to make a point. First: I'm not advocating bludgeoning people over the head for being offensive. Only gently correcting them. Second: Too many Democrats say the same thing about Black Lives Matter. Instead of standing up for what's right, they imagine it's wiser to pick their battles, like cowards. "We can't speak loudly about identity politics. That could make the Democratic party look like a ridiculous movement filled with people deliberately looking for things to be offended about," they say. So they give up the fight. Then, what happens? The needle of public perception moves against BLM, because the anti-BLM folks are the only ones speaking loudly. The bystanders, who are the largest group by far, are molded by the anti-BLM mantras they hear repeated over and over again. The cause of civil rights is set back. The world becomes a darker place. The same goes for discussions on Muslims and refugees. How many threads have you been in where there are a dozen anti-Muslim posters making horrible, dehumanizing comments about Muslims -- and there's almost nobody on the other side arguing against prejudice? I can't tell you how many times I've participated in such a topic and heard silence from most of the so-called liberal posters who frequent this board. Why? Because they've determined it isn't a popular thing to talk about. It's only going to alienate people by "making us look like a ridiculous movement." The needle moves further in the wrong direction. My point is this. Every time you engage in this kind of thinking over tactics, what we should be talking about and what we shouldn't, you're costing us the fight. In your post, you said not a single thing to challenge any of the concrete arguments I made about the psychology of word choice. Instead you made a tenuous argument about how it makes us "look" to talk about unpopular subjects. But what if instead of flinching, 100% of the liberals on this forum made a conscious choice to embrace unpopular arguments? Then the arguments wouldn't be unpopular anymore, and the needle would start moving in the right direction again. What if 100% of the liberals on this forum decided not to be afraid of being called "social justice warriors" anymore and decided to reclaim the word and embrace it as a badge of pride? Then the SJW insult would lose all potency, and bystanders would no longer be swayed by it. Have courage and stand up for things, even if they aren't popular. It's the only way the world has ever been made a better place. <cite>Glass_Phantom posted [p:890122856] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>you are exactly the type of person that people who are anti-trans are going to point to justify their thoughts. Because you just make it look like a ridiculous movement filled with people deliberately looking for things to be offended about.</quote> @COVxy If you'll permit me, I'd like to momentarily expand the subject in order to make a point. First: I'm not advocating bludgeoning people over the head for being offensive. Only gently correcting them. Second: Too many Democrats say the same thing about Black Lives Matter. Instead of standing up for what's right, they imagine it's wiser to pick their battles, like cowards. "We can't speak loudly about identity politics. That could make the Democratic party look like a ridiculous movement filled with people deliberately looking for things to be offended about," they say. So they give up the fight. Then, what happens? The needle of public perception moves against BLM, because the anti-BLM folks are the only ones speaking loudly. The bystanders, who are the largest group by far, are molded by the anti-BLM mantras they hear repeated over and over again. The cause of civil rights is set back. The world becomes a darker place. The same goes for discussions on Muslims and refugees. How many threads have you been in where there are a dozen anti-Muslim posters making horrible, dehumanizing comments about Muslims -- and there's almost nobody on the other side arguing against prejudice? I can't tell you how many times I've participated in such a topic and heard silence from most of the so-called liberal posters who frequent this board. Why? Because they've determined it isn't a popular thing to talk about. It's only going to alienate people by "making us look like a ridiculous movement." The needle moves further in the wrong direction. My point is this. Every time you engage in this kind of thinking over tactics, what we should be talking about and what we shouldn't, you're costing us the fight. In your post, you said not a single thing to challenge any of the concrete arguments I made about the psychology of word choice. Instead you made a tenuous argument about how it makes us "look" to talk about unpopular subjects. But what if instead of flinching, 100% of the liberals on this forum made a conscious choice to embrace unpopular arguments? Then the arguments wouldn't be unpopular anymore, and the needle would start moving in the right direction again. What if 100% of the liberals on this forum decided not to be afraid of being called "social justice warriors" anymore and decided to reclaim the word and embrace it as a badge of pride? Then the SJW insult would lose all potency, and bystanders would no longer be swayed by it. Have courage and stand up for things, even if they aren't popular. It's the only way the world has ever been made a better place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 11/10/17 10:00:04 AM #43:	"First" is a big deal for some reason. "Seven hundred eighty-second" is not. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:890122981] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote>"First" is a big deal for some reason. "Seven hundred eighty-second" is not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 11/10/17 10:10:05 AM #44:	Glass_Phantom posted... By correcting people obnoxiously while they are trying to have an honest and open discussion on the issue, you are only dissuading them from conversing, from developing thought. If you get punished for trying to understand an issue, why would you try at all? Like, I could start this conversation by calling you an asshole, and then going on to make completely valid points. And even if you are an asshole (which you aren't, to be clear, just an example), this would be the wrong approach, because nobody will go on to listen to the later valid points. If you make the conversation aversive, of course people aren't going to want to engage with you. It's not about shying away from saying unpopular things, it's about trying to really convince other people. You really need to ask yourself, is your post actually furthering the conversation, or is it simply acting as a boost in your own confidence? Yes, there are better and worse ways of saying certain things, but for the most part people only point them out to feel superior. They certainly aren't convincing others. Once others are convinced, certain ways of speaking simply become natural. I mean, why is it that you think certain terms are more humanizing than others? Were you taught? Or did it become obvious after having thought about it for a bit? --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:890123414] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>Glass_Phantom posted...</cite> By correcting people obnoxiously while they are trying to have an honest and open discussion on the issue, you are only dissuading them from conversing, from developing thought. If you get punished for trying to understand an issue, why would you try at all? Like, I could start this conversation by calling you an asshole, and then going on to make completely valid points. And even if you are an asshole (which you aren't, to be clear, just an example), this would be the wrong approach, because nobody will go on to listen to the later valid points. If you make the conversation aversive, of course people aren't going to want to engage with you. It's not about shying away from saying unpopular things, it's about trying to really convince other people. You really need to ask yourself, is your post actually furthering the conversation, or is it simply acting as a boost in your own confidence? Yes, there are better and worse ways of saying certain things, but for the most part people only point them out to feel superior. They certainly aren't convincing others. Once others are convinced, certain ways of speaking simply become natural. I mean, why is it that you think certain terms are more humanizing than others? Were you taught? Or did it become obvious after having thought about it for a bit?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/10/17 10:12:15 AM #45:	COVxy posted... Glass_Phantom posted... By correcting people obnoxiously while they are trying to have an honest and open discussion on the issue, you are only dissuading them from conversing, from developing thought. If you get punished for trying to understand an issue, why would you try at all? Like, I could start this conversation by calling you an asshole, and then going on to make completely valid points. And even if you are an asshole (which you aren't, to be clear, just an example), this would be the wrong approach, because nobody will go on to listen to your later valid points. If you make the conversation aversive, of course people aren't going to want to engage with you. It's not about shying away from saying unpopular things, it's about trying to really convince other people. You really need to ask yourself, is your post actually furthering the conversation, or is it simply acting as a boost in your own confidence? Yes, there are better and worse ways of saying certain things, but for the most part people only point them out to feel superior. They certainly aren't convincing others. Once others are convinced, certain ways of speaking simply become natural. I mean, why is it that you think certain terms are more humanizing than others? Were you taught? Or did it become obvious after having thought about it for a bit? there has never been "an honest and open discussion" of transgender issues on this board --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:890123501] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Glass_Phantom posted...</cite> By correcting people obnoxiously while they are trying to have an honest and open discussion on the issue, you are only dissuading them from conversing, from developing thought. If you get punished for trying to understand an issue, why would you try at all? Like, I could start this conversation by calling you an asshole, and then going on to make completely valid points. And even if you are an asshole (which you aren't, to be clear, just an example), this would be the wrong approach, because nobody will go on to listen to your later valid points. If you make the conversation aversive, of course people aren't going to want to engage with you. It's not about shying away from saying unpopular things, it's about trying to really convince other people. You really need to ask yourself, is your post actually furthering the conversation, or is it simply acting as a boost in your own confidence? Yes, there are better and worse ways of saying certain things, but for the most part people only point them out to feel superior. They certainly aren't convincing others. Once others are convinced, certain ways of speaking simply become natural. I mean, why is it that you think certain terms are more humanizing than others? Were you taught? Or did it become obvious after having thought about it for a bit?</quote> there has never been "an honest and open discussion" of transgender issues on this board</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 11/10/17 10:13:25 AM #46:	averagejoel posted... there has never been "an honest and open discussion" of transgender issues on this board And to the extent to which that is true it is partially your fault. You specifically, tbh. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:890123546] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>there has never been "an honest and open discussion" of transgender issues on this board </quote> And to the extent to which that is true it is partially your fault. You specifically, tbh.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thelovefist 11/10/17 10:16:07 AM #48:	averagejoel posted... there has never been "an honest and open discussion" of transgender issues on this board When people are saying using transgender is offensive to refer to transgender people, I feel that it sets a parameter where no open and honest discussion can be had. --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:890123680] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>there has never been "an honest and open discussion" of transgender issues on this board</quote> When people are saying using transgender is offensive to refer to transgender people, I feel that it sets a parameter where no open and honest discussion can be had.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 11/10/17 10:26:23 AM #49:	Asherlee10 posted... I think COVxy is right. The discussion of appropriate language is detracting from the large issues at hand. That is one of the general criticisms of political correctness. An obsession with policing language used to the point where you can't have a conversation or get things done because some dickhead is going to chime in on how he thinks you use the wrong term. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac <cite>Esrac posted [p:890124154] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>I think COVxy is right. The discussion of appropriate language is detracting from the large issues at hand.</quote> That is one of the general criticisms of political correctness. An obsession with policing language used to the point where you can't have a conversation or get things done because some dickhead is going to chime in on how he thinks you use the wrong term.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/10/17 10:27:07 AM #50:	COVxy posted... averagejoel posted... there has never been "an honest and open discussion" of transgender issues on this board And to the extent to which that is true it is partially your fault. You specifically, tbh. transphobes will be transphobic regardless of whether or not I tell them that the singular "they" is gramatically correct and has been in use for centuries, regardless of whether or not I tell them that biological sex is not a perfect binary and gender is more complicated, regardless of whether or not I inform them that reducing someone to one aspect of their identity is dehumanizing, regardless of how many times I tell them that they're using slurs to refer to marginalized people. I'm not the one causing the problem - they are. I'm not the one refusing to acknowledge the existence of problems with their behaviour - they are --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:890124186] in Why does p... [t:75975662]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>there has never been "an honest and open discussion" of transgender issues on this board </quote> And to the extent to which that is true it is partially your fault. You specifically, tbh.</quote> transphobes will be transphobic regardless of whether or not I tell them that the singular "they" is gramatically correct and has been in use for centuries, regardless of whether or not I tell them that biological sex is not a perfect binary and gender is more complicated, regardless of whether or not I inform them that reducing someone to one aspect of their identity is dehumanizing, regardless of how many times I tell them that they're using slurs to refer to marginalized people. I'm not the one causing the problem - they are. I'm not the one refusing to acknowledge the existence of problems with their behaviour - they are</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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