Current Events > Hillary Clinton claims the results of the Election she lost may be illegitimate.

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UnfairRepresent
09/18/17 4:43:50 PM
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Former U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has asserted that it is possible the the Russian government's influence campaign during the 2016 presidential race could have compromised the legitimacy of U.S. President Donald Trump's election win.

On Sept. 18, Clinton stated that she believed it was possible that Russian meddling during the 2016 presidential race had undermined the legitimacy of election results. "No, I wouldn't rule it out," Clinton told NPR during an interview about her new campaign memoir, "What Happened."

Clinton added that while she held suspicions that Trump had aided or abetted the Russian government's influence campaign, she did not believe that the election result could be scrapped for a do-over.

"I don't know if there's any legal constitutional way to do that," Clinton said. "I think you can raise questions."

Currently, there is a federal probe and several congressional investigations into whether associates of the Trump campaign allegedly colluded with Russian officials to subvert the 2016 election. On June 15, the president took to social media to blast the investigations as a coordinated witch hunt.

"You are witnessing the single greatest WITCH HUNT in American political history -- led by some very bad and conflicted people!" Trump tweeted out.

Clinton asserted during her interview that Trump's hostility toward the investigations into Russia's role during the election was suspicious.

"Let me just put it this way, if I had lost the popular vote but won the electoral college and in my first day as president the intelligence community came to me and said, 'The Russians influenced the election,' I wouldn't never stood for it," Clinton continued. "Even though it might've advantaged me, I would've said 'We've got to get to the bottom of this.'"

On Sept. 11, Clinton disclosed during an interview that she believed that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian officials during the 2016 presidential race.

"There certainly was communication and there certainly was an understanding of some sort," Clinton told USA Today. "Because there's no doubt in my mind that (Russian President Vladimir) Putin wanted me to lose and wanted Trump to win. And there's no doubt in my mind that there was a tangle of financial relationships between Trump and his operation with Russian money."

The former Secretary of State added "And there's no doubt in my mind that the Trump campaign and other associates have worked really hard to hide their connections with Russians."

On Sept. 14, Clinton asserted that the Russian government's influence campaign had a demonstrable impact on the election outcome.

"This was a highly sophisticated influence operation," Clinton told CNN. "I believe it did affect people's votes. I think it cost me votes. ... No nation, particularly an adversary nation, can mess with our democracy."


Full Article: http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/clinton-legitimacy-election-could-be-doubt
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She wouldn't be raising these questions if she won.
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Tryhaptaward
09/18/17 4:45:29 PM
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"Why the fuck are we still talking about Hillary? She lost, get over it!!!"

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NadYobWoc
09/18/17 4:47:43 PM
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I mean it's incredibly likely that Russia did meddle in our election to such a degree that it effected the outcome. That said, Hillary shouldn't be saying it. Makes her seem like sour grapes and undercuts the argument.
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darkjedilink
09/18/17 4:48:07 PM
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Tryhaptaward posted...
"Why the fuck are we still talking about Hillary? She lost, get over it!!!"

Meanwhile... she's still clinging onto it

So much this.
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gmanthebest
09/18/17 4:49:35 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
"Let me just put it this way, if I had lost the popular vote but won the electoral college and in my first day as president the intelligence community came to me and said, 'The Russians influenced the election,' I wouldn't never stood for it," Clinton continued. "Even though it might've advantaged me, I would've said 'We've got to get to the bottom of this.'"

Bull. Shit.
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Tmaster148
09/18/17 4:50:32 PM
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NadYobWoc posted...
I mean it's incredibly likely that Russia did meddle in our election to such a degree that it effected the outcome. That said, Hillary shouldn't be saying it. Makes her seem like sour grapes and undercuts the argument.


Although the meddling Russian likely did is not voter fraud, so her complaints of an illegitimate election has no grounds. Unless Russian straight up changed votes or added a bunch of fake votes, people being idiots and falling for fake news spread by the Russian just means we need to improve our news.
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Sexypwnstar
09/18/17 4:51:51 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
NadYobWoc posted...
I mean it's incredibly likely that Russia did meddle in our election to such a degree that it effected the outcome. That said, Hillary shouldn't be saying it. Makes her seem like sour grapes and undercuts the argument.


Although the meddling Russian likely did is not voter fraud, so her complaints of an illegitimate election has no grounds. Unless Russian straight up changed votes or added a bunch of fake votes, people being idiots and falling for fake news spread by the Russian just means we need to improve our news.


So what was the fake news?
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UnfairRepresent
09/18/17 4:52:02 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Tryhaptaward posted...
"Why the fuck are we still talking about Hillary? She lost, get over it!!!"

Meanwhile... she's still clinging onto it

So much this.

In all due fairness to her, she's intentionally stirring the pot to promote her book.


Welcome to Captialism.

There's very little difference between Trump and Clinton's personalities beyond a small penis.
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Mr_MacPhisto
09/18/17 4:52:17 PM
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https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/789573422716182529
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creativerealms
09/18/17 4:53:18 PM
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So does Trump and he won so they agree on something.
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Tezlok
09/18/17 4:53:36 PM
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so ironic that before election night people were saying Trump was going to not accept that he lost and dispute the results......
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Zeeak4444
09/18/17 4:54:56 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Tryhaptaward posted...
"Why the fuck are we still talking about Hillary? She lost, get over it!!!"

Meanwhile... she's still clinging onto it

So much this.

In all due fairness to her, she's intentionally stirring the pot to promote her book.


Welcome to Captialism.

There's very little difference between Trump and Clinton's personalities beyond a small penis.


True AF.
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hollow_shrine
09/18/17 4:58:18 PM
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Relevant passages from the cited article, which itself is collecting excerpts from interviews Hillary Clinton gave to NPR, USA Today, and CNN. Any emphases are mine.

On Sept. 18, Clinton stated that she believed it was possible that Russian meddling during the 2016 presidential race had undermined the legitimacy of election results.

"No, I wouldn't rule it out," Clinton told NPR during an interview about her new campaign memoir, "What Happened."


On Sept. 11, Clinton disclosed during an interview that she believed that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian officials during the 2016 presidential race.

"There certainly was communication and there certainly was an understanding of some sort," Clinton told USA Today. "Because there's no doubt in my mind that (Russian President Vladimir) Putin wanted me to lose and wanted Trump to win. And there's no doubt in my mind that there was a tangle of financial relationships between Trump and his operation with Russian money."

The former Secretary of State added "And there's no doubt in my mind that the Trump campaign and other associates have worked really hard to hide their connections with Russians."


On Sept. 14, Clinton asserted that the Russian government's influence campaign had a demonstrable impact on the election outcome.

"This was a highly sophisticated influence operation," Clinton told CNN. "I believe it did affect people's votes. I think it cost me votes. ... No nation, particularly an adversary nation, can mess with our democracy."


Frankly I think she's being pretty circumspect with her answers here. She's certainly not saying anything different from others who feel Russia had a significant role to play in the 2016 election, and that the Trump campaign may have been involved. It's certainly been proven that the Trump campaign was more than willing to accept foreign help in undermining the opposition's campaign.
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YellowSUV
09/18/17 5:00:13 PM
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There is probably no chance the votes were rigged by ballot stuffing. However, there is a possibility that voters more likely to vote for Clinton were purged from voter rolls.
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mattnd2007
09/18/17 5:02:55 PM
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Lol wow
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darkjedilink
09/18/17 5:07:23 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Tryhaptaward posted...
"Why the fuck are we still talking about Hillary? She lost, get over it!!!"

Meanwhile... she's still clinging onto it

So much this.

In all due fairness to her, she's intentionally stirring the pot to promote her book.


Welcome to Captialism.

There's very little difference between Trump and Clinton's personalities beyond a small penis.

Oh, I agree. As a Capitalist, I say more power to her.

I was referring to the liberals on CE always saying that the election is over any time someone talks about Clinton's latest bout of nonsense.
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The Admiral
09/18/17 7:09:30 PM
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Mr_MacPhisto posted...
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/789573422716182529


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RebelElite791
09/18/17 7:09:54 PM
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The Admiral
09/18/17 7:11:10 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
That's not even what she said.


http://www.npr.org/2017/09/18/551217204/hillary-clinton-says-shes-optimistic-about-our-country-but-i-am-not-naive#legitimacy

I want to get back to the question, would you completely rule out questioning the legitimacy of this election if we learn that the Russian interference in the election is even deeper than we know now?

Hillary: No. I would not. I would say —

You're not going to rule it out.

No, I wouldn't rule it out.


Sounds like that's exactly what she said.
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RebelElite791
09/18/17 7:11:42 PM
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The Admiral posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
That's not even what she said.


http://www.npr.org/2017/09/18/551217204/hillary-clinton-says-shes-optimistic-about-our-country-but-i-am-not-naive#legitimacy

I want to get back to the question, would you completely rule out questioning the legitimacy of this election if we learn that the Russian interference in the election is even deeper than we know now?

Hillary: No. I would not. I would say —


Sounds like that's exactly what she said.

"I wouldn't rule out questioning it if we find out more info" =/= "she claims the results may be illegitimate"
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prince_leo
09/18/17 7:15:22 PM
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but isn't it accepted that russia led an information campaign online that was very anti-clinton?
like, maybe calling it illegitimate isn't the fairest way to describe it, but with the reveal over all of those facebook accounts and the 4chan/reddit bots, she's not crazy
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SageHarpuia
09/18/17 7:16:02 PM
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Is Obama going to tell her to stop whining too?
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Mal_Fet
09/18/17 7:17:44 PM
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NadYobWoc posted...
I mean it's incredibly likely that Russia did meddle in our election to such a degree that it effected the outcome.

No one's provided proof of that, soooo...

As far as anyone can tell, their meddling amounted to a bunch of shitposts on facebook which is something Correct The Record also does
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SageHarpuia
09/18/17 7:17:46 PM
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prince_leo posted...
but isn't it accepted that russia led an information campaign online that was very anti-clinton?

The same could be said about CNN, CBS, and MSNBC about Trump. It's hardly illegal.
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eston
09/18/17 7:20:34 PM
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So someone asked her about it in an interview, and her answer was exactly what people have been saying since the Russia allegations first surfaced
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prince_leo
09/18/17 7:21:36 PM
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SageHarpuia posted...
The same could be said about CNN, CBS, and MSNBC about Trump. It's hardly illegal.

I think the difference is that those are American

still, I'm more on the opinion that even if true it didn't force people to go out and vote one way and it didn't literally change the votes, even though I did vote for Clinton it's kind of eh
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Anteaterking
09/18/17 7:21:47 PM
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SageHarpuia posted...
The same could be said about CNN, CBS, and MSNBC about Trump. It's hardly illegal.


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Nomadic View
09/18/17 7:23:49 PM
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gmanthebest posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
"Let me just put it this way, if I had lost the popular vote but won the electoral college and in my first day as president the intelligence community came to me and said, 'The Russians influenced the election,' I wouldn't never stood for it," Clinton continued. "Even though it might've advantaged me, I would've said 'We've got to get to the bottom of this.'"

Bull. Shit.


Exactly.

She had no qualms about accepting debate questions. Why the hell would she be noble when even higher stakes are on the line?
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assassinCrash
09/18/17 7:26:09 PM
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I'm surprised Clington hasn't caught on
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UnfairRepresent
09/19/17 4:55:04 AM
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Nomadic View posted...


She had no qualms about accepting debate questions. Why the hell would she be noble when even higher stakes are on the line?

lol
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scar the 1
09/19/17 5:00:10 AM
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I applaud anyone who publicly says that Trump's victory was illegitimate, only for the reason that it makes POTUS so flustered he can't even see straight. And that's really funny.
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Suchomimus
09/20/17 5:27:39 PM
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This woman is an embarrassment.
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ZMythos
09/20/17 5:32:48 PM
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I wonder if Trump is betting on global warming so it can thaw his mouth off of that Russian cock.
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mustachedmystic
09/20/17 5:44:47 PM
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Big Deal. Trump did the same, and he won.
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CW_McGraw
09/20/17 5:52:36 PM
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This isn't a controversial point she's making. The integrity of our elections is so in doubt that Trump himself has established a committee to investigate them.
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Millennials
09/20/17 6:09:17 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
I was referring to the liberals on CE always saying that the election is over any time someone talks about Clinton's latest bout of nonsense.

Right, because there's absolutely no difference at all between

An irrelevant sore loser hawking her crappy book

and

The president routinely using said irrelevant loser as a scapegoat in their never ending series of gaffes
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darkjedilink
09/20/17 6:15:19 PM
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scar the 1 posted...
I applaud anyone who publicly says that Trump's victory was illegitimate, only for the reason that it makes POTUS so flustered he can't even see straight. And that's really funny.

Agreed.
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UnfairRepresent
09/21/17 2:13:16 AM
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darkjedilink posted...
scar the 1 posted...
I applaud anyone who publicly says that Trump's victory was illegitimate, only for the reason that it makes POTUS so flustered he can't even see straight. And that's really funny.

Agreed.

How petty of you
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PonyLivesMatter
09/21/17 2:21:52 AM
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Wow straight to blaming Russia, what an intolerable lady
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Syntheticon
09/21/17 2:59:50 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
She wouldn't be raising these questions if she won.

Well if she'd won after the Russians fiddled with the election and boosted Drumpf's number that'd be even more impressive on her part and there'd be no reason to question it.
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lilJoe457
09/21/17 3:08:24 AM
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Can this woman go away. As much as people don't want Trump as president I bet nobody wants her. Jesus
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Guerrilla Soldier
09/21/17 3:23:05 AM
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i like how they never go into detail of how
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UnfairRepresent
09/21/17 5:08:36 AM
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Guerrilla Soldier posted...
i like how they never go into detail of how

You have to buy her book for that sily
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ToPoPO
09/22/17 9:24:01 PM
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But Hillary
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UnfairRepresent
09/23/17 9:46:56 PM
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ToPoPO posted...
But Hillary

Doesn't work when the topic is solely about her
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UnfairRepresent
09/24/17 2:52:42 PM
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^ I saw that lol

You can't complain about guys "Still bringing her up" when she is on global TV and we are just pointing out what she is saying
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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/24/17 2:54:02 PM
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she's probably right but she should just shut the fuck up about it already
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LightDarkFrexed
09/24/17 2:54:40 PM
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The General Election results may be illegitimate but the DNC was unbaised throughout the Primaries
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BlueBoy675
09/24/17 2:55:22 PM
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gmanthebest posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
"Let me just put it this way, if I had lost the popular vote but won the electoral college and in my first day as president the intelligence community came to me and said, 'The Russians influenced the election,' I wouldn't never stood for it," Clinton continued. "Even though it might've advantaged me, I would've said 'We've got to get to the bottom of this.'"

Bull. Shit.

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