Current Events > Nazi in seattle knocked out today.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Seriously why is nobody condemning the attacker who called the guy the N word in a derogatory way!?

Everybody was going crazy over PEW using it. Here we have video evidence a racist punching a racist.
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My issue with this isn't the nazi getting punched, but rather if it's going to make the nazi problem much worse.

Is punching nazis a practical solution? I doubt it, that's all.

Won't pretend I didn't immensely enjoy the video though.
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So the guy with the nazi armband got the attention he was looking for. Good job.
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That_Happened posted...

Punching someone who is inciting violence (Nazis promoting genocide) is not illegal

How do you know he's promoting genocide? Are you 100% sure of his motive for wearing that swastika armband?
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Vindris_SNH posted...

That_Happened posted...

Punching someone who is inciting violence (Nazis promoting genocide) is not illegal

How do you know he's promoting genocide? Are you 100% sure of his motive for wearing that swastika armband?

dude...
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pinky0926 posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

That_Happened posted...

Punching someone who is inciting violence (Nazis promoting genocide) is not illegal

How do you know he's promoting genocide? Are you 100% sure of his motive for wearing that swastika armband?

dude...

Stay in school kids
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I wonder what the "punchin Nazis yaaaas" crowd believes is the result of assaulting Nazis like this. Yes Nazis are scum, but will punching them make them less of a Nazi? If YOU got suckerpunched by someone with opposing political views, would you go "yeah, you know what? Maybe I should adopt my assailants politics." Is he more likely or less likely to drive a car through a liberal protest after getting punched by one?

Exactly what had been accomplished here?
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

It's kinda always been socially acceptable to punch someone over sufficient conflict or insults. Haven't most people here been in a fight? There are literally 44 quintillion fight videos on youtube, this isn't some new cultural norm, not that this was really "a fight". Hell, half of CE already thinks if you use the n word around blacks it's going to get you punched, and they think it's either okay or unavoidable. Why the fuck is wearing a swastika somehow less offensive than a racial slur?

tbh i didnt watch the video since im at work so im not sure if he was antagonizing people or not (although he probably was, fuck him).

i am from a fairly dense urban area, grew up going to NYC very often etc so you kind of develop a tough skin to people with really shitty views. like for example at my college we'd have christian preachers come all the time and sit there screaming about how everyone at the school was going to hell, god hates homosexuals, etc.

You just ignore them and walk past, and whenever you had that one triggered student trying to argue with the preacher it always made the student look silly for giving in. sticks & stones and all that shit, there are a lot of people with a lot of stupid views who feel they need to share them.

my point being that if everyone starts getting into physical altercations with everyone saying stupid shit it's going to be very hard to maintain a civil society, you'd have full blown brawls on the streets of NYC every day lol.

tbh all this to me seems like political roleplaying. it's not like a Nazi ideology is something that will really catch on with anyone but the most disgusting basement dwellers and some dude yelling in a subway has absolutely no influence in anything that matters. same goes for the lefties too preaching Stalinism or w/e, it's just a bunch of people pretending like their extreme ideologies are something important to consider. meanwhile everyone around them is just going about their regular lives
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I almost wish some clown would try that around here. My ex's family who I still talk to often are all Jewish and her grandparents were actually refugees. I've always wanted to get into dentistry.
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MikeArmstrong posted...

Exactly. They should just film him saying his ridiculous opinions and then spread it on social media to ruin his life. That way, the Nazi suffers more than just a punch and you've done nothing to garner scrutiny from anyone.

I would agree that this is the better road to take (keep in mind, conservatives-who need those Nazi votes-also complain about this tactic. "Why ruin a guy's life just because you disagree with his opinions?? Wah!"), but I will never have sympathy for a person who gets punched while looking to gain negative attention through thinly-veiled threats.
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I dont agree with punching people for words and symbols.

However, I wonder how different this conversation would be if he was a brown man wearing ISIS symbols instead of Nazi.
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Vindris_SNH posted...

That_Happened posted...

Punching someone who is inciting violence (Nazis promoting genocide) is not illegal

How do you know he's promoting genocide? Are you 100% sure of his motive for wearing that swastika armband?

If that's not his motive, then he needs to do research on what that armband means. Still his fault. Don't align yourself with Nazis if you don't know what the fuck they stand for.
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Zodd3224 posted...

I dont agree with punching people for words and symbols.

However, I wonder how different this conversation would be if he was a brown man wearing ISIS symbols instead of Nazi.

They shouldn't be assaulted either.
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If that guy were to actually attack someone in the name of his Nazi beliefs, then I'd hope he'd get shot in the face. But repulsive beliefs alone don't justify violence.
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Maybe that guy just bought his nazi halloween costume and was so excited he wanted to wear it home? Why are people so quick to jump to conclusions.
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eston posted...

I don't think it's okay to just punch people without direct provocation, but at the same time I think people who openly self-identify as nazis deserve to be punched. It puts me in a weird position of cheering on people who I think should be arrested.

I guess in the end it's up to the individual to decide whether punching a nazi is worth going to jail for.

nazis are inherently instigators. any action taken against them by someone who would be marginalized under nazism (e.g. women, LGBT+ people, ethnic and religious minorities, non-nazis, etc) can be seen as self defense
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Zodd3224 posted...

I dont agree with punching people for words and symbols.

However, I wonder how different this conversation would be if he was a brown man wearing ISIS symbols instead of Nazi.

The examples aren't exactly equivocal because ISIS is an active terror threat whereas Nazism is (currently) an ideological threat. You wear a Nazi symbol and you're saying you have fucked up ideals. You wear an ISIS flag and you're saying you're on the side that's in an active state of military conflict with the United States.
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Mal_Fet posted...

I wonder what the "punchin Nazis yaaaas" crowd believes is the result of assaulting Nazis like this. Yes Nazis are scum, but will punching them make them less of a Nazi? If YOU got suckerpunched by someone with opposing political views, would you go "yeah, you know what? Maybe I sound super my assailants politics." Is he more likely or less likely to drive a car through a liberal protest after getting punched by one?

Exactly what had been accomplished here?

Depending on how hard they got punched it might stop them from doing anything in the future. That would be so unfortunate though because I'd never, ever want to see serious harm come to a Nazi.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

I dont agree with punching people for words and symbols.

However, I wonder how different this conversation would be if he was a brown man wearing ISIS symbols instead of Nazi.

They shouldn't be assaulted either.

Lmao we all totally believe you

Mal_Fet posted...

I wonder what the "punchin Nazis yaaaas" crowd believes is the result of assaulting Nazis like this. Yes Nazis are scum, but will punching them make them less of a Nazi? If YOU got suckerpunched by someone with opposing political views, would you go "yeah, you know what? Maybe I sound super my assailants politics." Is he more likely or less likely to drive a car through a liberal protest after getting punched by one?

Exactly what had been accomplished here?

I agree with you on this for once. I think this is a feel before reals situation.

Like eston said though, I sort of cheered this on at the same time.
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Anyways I'm leaving this topic before I get warned again for saying mean things about Nazis again. Y'all have fun now.
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pinky0926 posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

I dont agree with punching people for words and symbols.

However, I wonder how different this conversation would be if he was a brown man wearing ISIS symbols instead of Nazi.

The examples aren't exactly equivocal because ISIS is an active terror threat whereas Nazism is (currently) an ideological threat. You wear a Nazi symbol and you're saying you have fucked up ideals. You wear an ISIS flag and you're saying you're on the side that's in an active state of military conflict with the United States.

Wearing the ISIS flag doesnt mean you are actually in ISIS though. Both ideologies support genocide and US has gone to war with both. Its the same to me.
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averagejoel posted...

nazis are inherently instigators. any action taken against them by someone who would be marginalized under nazism (e.g. women, LGBT+ people, ethnic and religious minorities, non-nazis, etc) can be seen as self defense

No court agrees with you.
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averagejoel posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Was the guy that got punched inciting violence?

nazism is an inherently violent ideology. subscribing to the ideology is violent. wearing the symbol of nazi germany is violent

No matter how many times you say this dumb shit it's never gonna be true. Violence is violence. Wearing a fucking armband is not violence.
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Lul dun fuck wid Seattle!
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Zodd3224 posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

I dont agree with punching people for words and symbols.

However, I wonder how different this conversation would be if he was a brown man wearing ISIS symbols instead of Nazi.

The examples aren't exactly equivocal because ISIS is an active terror threat whereas Nazism is (currently) an ideological threat. You wear a Nazi symbol and you're saying you have fucked up ideals. You wear an ISIS flag and you're saying you're on the side that's in an active state of military conflict with the United States.

Wearing the ISIS flag doesnt mean you are actually in ISIS though. Both ideologies support genocide and US has gone to war with both. Its the same to me.

US is actively engaged in a war with one and not the other though, that's the main difference.
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YourDrunkFather posted...

averagejoel posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Was the guy that got punched inciting violence?

nazism is an inherently violent ideology. subscribing to the ideology is violent. wearing the symbol of nazi germany is violent

No matter how many times you say this dumb shit it's never gonna be true. Violence is violence. Wearing a fucking armband is not violence.

violence isn't exclusively physical
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Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

I almost wish some clown would try that around here. My ex's family who I still talk to often are all Jewish and her grandparents were actually refugees. I've always wanted to get into dentistry.

*hugs you*

Let go of all that hate brother. It'll consume you. Fight hate with love.
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You should oppose political violence in all forms. Will lefties start caring about political violence when commies get slugged?

"Hey don't blame me for pounding that Antifa member. Mao killed 45 million people in 4 years. We can't risk repeating that here, right?"
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Do you guys realize though that Japanese people frequently role play as SS soldiers?

Would you punch them?
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tennisdude818 posted...

"Hey don't blame me for pounding that Antifa member.

Has anyone ever cared when an Antifa member got punched?
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Do you guys realize though that Japanese people frequently role play as SS soldiers?

Would you punch them?

So, in your mind this Nazi was just role playing?
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YourDrunkFather posted...

averagejoel posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Was the guy that got punched inciting violence?

nazism is an inherently violent ideology. subscribing to the ideology is violent. wearing the symbol of nazi germany is violent

No matter how many times you say this dumb shit it's never gonna be true. Violence is violence. Wearing a fucking armband is not violence.

to be fair they are wearing the armband of a group of people that did systematically murder 2/3rds of all European Jews and started one of the largest and deadliest conflicts in human history.

The only reason that everyone doesn't see preaching Nazi values as being inherently violent is because WW2 ended 72 years ago and in a few years all WW2 vets & holocaust survivors will be dead and the conflict will begin to fade into antiquity.

Imagine if someone was wearing an ISIS armband and preaching ISIS ideals, that shit would get shut down REAL quick.
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pinky0926 posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

I dont agree with punching people for words and symbols.

However, I wonder how different this conversation would be if he was a brown man wearing ISIS symbols instead of Nazi.

The examples aren't exactly equivocal because ISIS is an active terror threat whereas Nazism is (currently) an ideological threat. You wear a Nazi symbol and you're saying you have fucked up ideals. You wear an ISIS flag and you're saying you're on the side that's in an active state of military conflict with the United States.

Wearing the ISIS flag doesnt mean you are actually in ISIS though. Both ideologies support genocide and US has gone to war with both. Its the same to me.

US is actively engaged in a war with one and not the other though, that's the main difference.

What difference does that make?

I saw what you posted earlier but I disagree that it matters.
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Punching people doesn't really seem like a solution to anything.
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I have to admit that being violent in this situation was the wrong approach, it's assault pure and simple.

On the other hand, I REALLY REALLY liked seeing this guy get punched in the face and feel it fully justified but not actually okay...

The best solution is recording the bastard and trying to ruin his life through social media IMO...

If it were me in that situation I would either record the dude or ignore him, but I certainly love seeing someone who isn't quite so relaxed knocking that guy on his ass...
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tennisdude818 posted...

You should oppose political violence in all forms. Will lefties start caring about political violence when commies get slugged?

"Hey don't blame me for pounding that Antifa member. Mao killed 45 million people in 4 years. We can't risk repeating that here, right?"

Their excuse would be that communism doesn't target people by race therefore it's ok even though more people died to it then all of ww2 casualties.
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That_Happened posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Do you guys realize though that Japanese people frequently role play as SS soldiers?

Would you punch them?

So, in your mind this Nazi was just role playing?

No no no no. I'm just saying that in japan the youth often dress up as Nazi soldiers with the armband and flag and March in Nazi fashion and all that. They've made Nazis a joke and taken away it's symbolic power even though they were involved in ww2.

So would you guys punch Japanese cosplayers?
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averagejoel posted...

YourDrunkFather posted...

averagejoel posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Was the guy that got punched inciting violence?

nazism is an inherently violent ideology. subscribing to the ideology is violent. wearing the symbol of nazi germany is violent

No matter how many times you say this dumb shit it's never gonna be true. Violence is violence. Wearing a fucking armband is not violence.

violence isn't exclusively physical

noun

noun:violence

behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

You should oppose political violence in all forms. Will lefties start caring about political violence when commies get slugged?

"Hey don't blame me for pounding that Antifa member. Mao killed 45 million people in 4 years. We can't risk repeating that here, right?"

There excuse would be that communism doesn't target people by race therefore it's ok even though more people died to it then all of ww2 casualties.

The left in the US has never been ideologically consistent. If a video went up of some Ancom getting knocked out while he was minding his own business, none of them would be ok with it.
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

That_Happened posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Do you guys realize though that Japanese people frequently role play as SS soldiers?

Would you punch them?

So, in your mind this Nazi was just role playing?

No no no no. I'm just saying that in japan the youth often dress up as Nazi soldiers with the armband and flag and March in Nazi fashion and all that. They've made Nazis a joke and taken away it's symbolic power even though they were involved in ww2.

So would you guys punch Japanese cosplayers?

...You'll notice that no one in America goes to world war 2 reenactments and punches the german soldiers.
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josifrees posted...

Glad a white dude knocked his ass out

looked hispanic to me
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

You should oppose political violence in all forms. Will lefties start caring about political violence when commies get slugged?

"Hey don't blame me for pounding that Antifa member. Mao killed 45 million people in 4 years. We can't risk repeating that here, right?"

Their excuse would be that communism doesn't target people by race therefore it's ok even though more people died to it then all of ww2 casualties.

I was expecting to hear, "that wasn't real communism so it doesn't count" but you are probably also right.
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

That_Happened posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Do you guys realize though that Japanese people frequently role play as SS soldiers?

Would you punch them?

So, in your mind this Nazi was just role playing?

No no no no. I'm just saying that in japan the youth often dress up as Nazi soldiers with the armband and flag and March in Nazi fashion and all that. They've made Nazis a joke and taken away it's symbolic power even though they were involved in ww2.

So would you guys punch Japanese cosplayers?

I'm pretty sure Japan doesn't have a white nationalism problem where they have marches in cities and run over others with cars.

It's like it's an entirely different country with different circumstances and everything.
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

I almost wish some clown would try that around here. My ex's family who I still talk to often are all Jewish and her grandparents were actually refugees. I've always wanted to get into dentistry.

*hugs you*

Let go of all that hate brother. It'll consume you. Fight hate with love.

Nah I'm good, being full of hate is what motivates me in the morning. I'm one of those people who literally wakes up angry. I don't exclusively hate Nazis though, I hate all kinds of people who are shitheads.
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YourDrunkFather posted...

averagejoel posted...

YourDrunkFather posted...

averagejoel posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Was the guy that got punched inciting violence?

nazism is an inherently violent ideology. subscribing to the ideology is violent. wearing the symbol of nazi germany is violent

No matter how many times you say this dumb shit it's never gonna be true. Violence is violence. Wearing a fucking armband is not violence.

violence isn't exclusively physical

noun

noun:violence

behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF_brfZPmjM
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