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averagejoel
09/11/17 6:40:57 PM
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the US overthrew Salvador Allende, a democratically elected socialist in Chile, and replaced him with Augusto Pinochet, a brutal dictator.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_violations_in_Pinochet%27s_Chile

The most prevalent forms of state-sponsored torture that Chilean prisoners endured were electric shocks, waterboarding, beatings, and sexual abuse. Another common mechanism of torture employed was "disappearing" those who were deemed to be potentially subversive because they adhered to leftist political doctrines. The tactic of "disappearing" the enemies of the Pinochet regime was systematically carried out during the first four years of military rule. The "disappeared" were held in secret, subjected to torture and were often never seen again. Both the National Commission on Political Imprisonment and Torture (Valech Report) and the Commission of Truth and Reconciliation (Rettig Report) approximate that there were around 30,000 victims of human rights abuses in Chile, with 27,255 tortured and 2,279 executed.

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averagejoel
09/11/17 6:41:35 PM
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the government was overthrown because it threatened American business interests

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_intervention_in_Chile#Allende_Presidency

Immediately after the Allende government came into office, the U.S. sought to place pressure on the Allende government to prevent its consolidation and limit its ability to implement policies contrary to U.S. and hemispheric interests, such as Allende's total nationalization of several U.S. corporations and the copper industry. Nixon directed that no new bilateral economic aid commitments be undertaken with the government of Chile.

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armandro
09/11/17 6:41:44 PM
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what was the emergency number before 9/11?

311? 611?
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Antifar
09/11/17 6:42:16 PM
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Thanks for saving me the trouble of making this topic
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averagejoel
09/11/17 6:42:36 PM
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After Pinochet seized power, he brought in the "Chicago Boys" - Chilean neoliberal economists, educated in Chicago. they were heavily supported by the US, like Pinochet. and they were monsters, like Pinochet.

https://www.thenation.com/article/the-united-states-didnt-just-help-topple-allende-we-trained-the-economists-too/

Sergio de Castro is among the vilest of the “Chicago Boys,” Chilean economists who studied at the University of Chicago under Milton Friedman and Arnold Harberger and who, after the September 11, 1973, coup, helped impose on their fellow citizens a punishing program of extreme economic austerity. In the film, de Castro recalls climbing a hill in Santiago so he could watch the Air Force bomb La Moneda, the presidential palace where Salvador Allende was soon to die. As flames poured out of the palace’s windows, he felt, he says, an “infinite happiness.” De Castro says he “didn’t know anyone who had been killed” by his government, even though representatives from the World Bank, the IMF, and the US State Department kept complaining about the repression. Asked by Carola Fuentes if he ever brought up those complaints with Pinochet, he said no. De Castro says he feels great “pain,” not just for the “tortured but the torturers” but that, knowing what he knows now–that thousands were killed or disappeared and tens of thousands tortured during his tenure–he still would have served Pinochet. “There aren’t any corrective measures that are painless,” de Castro says."


The exchange program that brought the Chileans to Chicago was funded by public money, from the US government’s Point Four foreign-aid program.

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gunplagirl
09/11/17 6:43:42 PM
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And yet Americans wonder why much of the world looked down on us
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averagejoel
09/11/17 6:43:48 PM
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Pinochet was so confident in US support that he assassinated a dissenter on US soil

https://theintercept.com/2016/09/21/the-assassination-of-orlando-letelier-and-the-politics-of-silence/

the Chilean agents followed Letelier as he drove himself into Washington, down Massachusetts to the think tank where he worked. The bomb went off as Letelier went around Sheridan Circle, ripping off most of the lower half of his body. He died shortly afterward, as did Ronni Moffitt, a 25-year-old American who’d been in the car with him. A second passenger, Moffitt’s husband Michael, survived.

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NYmasajista
09/11/17 6:47:09 PM
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Ah yes the original 9/11. How dare they try to run their country for the benefit of their own people.
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averagejoel
09/11/17 6:47:34 PM
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one of the main propagators of these human rights violations is Henry Kissinger, Nixon's Secretary of State

Kissinger has bipartisan support

he won the Nobel Peace Prize 3 months after overthrowing Chile's democratically elected government

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger#Foreign_policy
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averagejoel
09/11/17 6:51:35 PM
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Kissinger's policy of intervention was perfected in Chile, but it was extended to many other countries, including Afghanistan.

in the 90s, the US praised Bin Laden for being "an anti-soviet warrior"

https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/560239497552879616

further reading:

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/17/we_created_islamic_extremism_those_blaming_islam_for_isis_would_have_supported_osama_bin_laden_in_the_80s/
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averagejoel
09/11/17 6:53:14 PM
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tote_all posted...
Why are you not talking about the country's condition during Allende's "democratically elected government"?

please refer to post #2
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DirkDiggles
09/11/17 6:54:36 PM
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averagejoel
09/11/17 6:57:28 PM
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tote_all posted...
averagejoel posted...
tote_all posted...
Why are you not talking about the country's condition during Allende's "democratically elected government"?

please refer to post #2


You mean the post where you do not talk about Chile's condition at all, but vaguely blame the US for everything?

fine, if you insist:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende#Presidency

In November 1970, 3,000 scholarships were allocated to Mapuche children in an effort to integrate the Indian minority into the educational system, payment of pensions and grants was resumed, an emergency plan providing for the construction of 120,000 residential buildings was launched, all part-time workers were granted rights to social security, a proposed electricity price increase was withdrawn, diplomatic relations were restored with Cuba, and political prisoners were granted an amnesty. In December that same year, bread prices were fixed, 55,000 volunteers were sent to the south of the country to teach writing and reading skills and provide medical attention to a sector of the population that had previously been ignored, a central commission was established to oversee a tri-partite payment plan in which equal place was given to government, employees and employers, and a protocol agreement was signed with the United Centre of Workers which granted workers representational rights on the funding board of the Social Planning Ministry.[34] An obligatory minimum wage for workers of all ages (including apprentices) was established,[35] free milk was introduced for expectant and nursing mothers and for children between the ages of 7 and 14,[36] free school meals were established,[37] rent reductions were carried out, and the construction of the Santiago subway was rescheduled so as to serve working-class neighbourhoods first. Workers benefited from increases in social security payments, an expanded public works program, and a modification of the wage and salary adjustment mechanism (which had originally been introduced in the Forties to cope with the country’s permanent inflation), while middle-class Chileans benefited from the elimination of taxes on modest incomes and property.[38] In addition, state-sponsored programs distributed free food to the country’s neediest citizens,[39] and in the countryside, peasant councils were established to mobilise agrarian workers and small proprietors. In the government’s first budget (presented to the Chilean congress in November 1970), the minimum taxable income level was raised, removing from the tax pool 35% of those who had paid taxes on earnings in the previous year. In addition, the exemption from general taxation was raised to a level equivalent to twice the minimum wage. Exemptions from capital taxes were also extended, which benefitted 330,000 small proprietors. The extra increases that Frei promised to the armed forces were also fully paid. According to one estimate, purchasing power went up by 28% between October 1970 and July 1971.


he was elected in November 1970
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The Admiral
09/11/17 6:59:40 PM
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Indeed, never forget to celebrate the heroic men and women who stopped the plague of socialism from spreading beyond the countries it destroyed.
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Southernfatman
09/11/17 7:04:01 PM
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Can CE for once not take the bait? You know what I'm talking about.


Oh who am I kidding? Some of you are more screwed in the head than the people who spend years of their lives trolling a dying video game message board.
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FLUFFYGERM
09/11/17 7:07:23 PM
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Southernfatman posted...
Can CE for once not take the bait? You know what I'm talking about.


this. it's obvious that averagejoel, antifar, and gunplagirl are trolls. likely the same person using multiple accounts.
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averagejoel
09/11/17 7:11:39 PM
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tote_all posted...

seriously just read this whole page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_intervention_in_Chile
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Antifar
09/11/17 7:13:19 PM
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tote_all posted...
Why are you not talking about the country's condition during Allende's "democratically elected government"?

What about that condition could possibly justify Pinochet?
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averagejoel
09/11/17 7:13:33 PM
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tote_all posted...
You do realize I'm from Chile, yes?

so were the Chicago boys. what's your point
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averagejoel
09/11/17 7:15:47 PM
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tote_all posted...
There's no Wikipedia link with new information for me about this?

please refer to post #5
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BootyGif
09/11/17 7:18:26 PM
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yes, we got involved in shit we had no business getting involved in.

same with Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Vietnam, etc.
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Kaname_Madoka
09/11/17 7:18:54 PM
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averagejoel
09/11/17 7:19:08 PM
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tote_all posted...
Not only that, but also guess what the "all" in my username stands for.

ok? I was talking about US intervention. what they did was awful regardless of the conditions in Chile, which are secondary, at most, in this topic
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averagejoel
09/11/17 7:19:28 PM
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tote_all posted...
averagejoel posted...
tote_all posted...
There's no Wikipedia link with new information for me about this?

please refer to post #5


Did you really take my mockery of you citing Wikipedia so much as me literally having problems with Wikipedia?

no
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FLUFFYGERM
09/11/17 7:20:51 PM
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BootyGif posted...
yes, we got involved in shit we had no business getting involved in.

same with Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Vietnam, etc.


chile had problems before the administration of the time backed any counter efforts there. TC is just trolling with his anti-America pro-Communism gimmick.
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FLUFFYGERM
09/11/17 7:21:10 PM
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tote_all posted...
averagejoel posted...
tote_all posted...
There's no Wikipedia link with new information for me about this?

please refer to post #5


Did you really take my mockery of you citing Wikipedia so much as me literally having problems with Wikipedia?


he has no other sources lmao
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The Admiral
09/11/17 7:22:28 PM
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Belowaveragejoel is getting embarrassed again in a political topic. What else is new.
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BootyGif
09/11/17 7:23:28 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
BootyGif posted...
yes, we got involved in shit we had no business getting involved in.

same with Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Vietnam, etc.


chile had problems before the administration of the time backed any counter efforts there. TC is just trolling with his anti-America pro-Communism gimmick.

I'm sure they did. But when you intervene on the destiny of another country in a clandestine way (like we have) it tends to leave a bad impression.

Reading Confessions of an Economic Hitman really opened my eyes.
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Delirious_Beard
09/11/17 7:24:21 PM
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The Admiral posted...
Belowaveragejoel is getting embarrassed again in a political topic. What else is new.


you'd know the feeling more than anyone i suppose
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averagejoel
09/11/17 7:24:36 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
he has no other sources lmao

yes i do

tote_all posted...
Then why did you refer me to post 5? Are you not understanding that there's nothing you can teach about this to an educated citizen of a country that is still not over this?

then I don't know what you were attempting to do in this topic aside from derailing. I'm sure most people on CE have no idea about any of this
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The Admiral
09/11/17 7:25:44 PM
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Delirious_Beard posted...
The Admiral posted...
Belowaveragejoel is getting embarrassed again in a political topic. What else is new.


you'd know the feeling more than anyone i suppose


Definitely, I've been embarrassing joel in political topics for years.
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Kim Kusanagi
09/11/17 7:26:51 PM
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averagejoel posted...
tote_all posted...
You do realize I'm from Chile, yes?

so were the Chicago boys. what's your point


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Kim Kusanagi
09/11/17 7:27:20 PM
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The Admiral posted...
I've been embarrassing


Sure you have been.
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FLUFFYGERM
09/11/17 7:27:37 PM
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when did CE get so overrun by literal communists
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Kim Kusanagi
09/11/17 7:28:11 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
communists


So scary
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FLUFFYGERM
09/11/17 7:31:47 PM
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Kim Kusanagi posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
communists


So scary


definitely, communism killed more people and ruined more countries than any other ideology invented by mankind

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes#Comparison_to_other_mass_killings
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averagejoel
09/11/17 7:31:59 PM
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tote_all posted...
averagejoel posted...

then I don't know what you were attempting to do in this topic aside from derailing. I'm sure most people on CE have no idea about any of this


Showing the other side you were desperately trying to hide?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Left_Movement_(Chile)

I wasn't trying to hide anything though
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Solar_Crimson
09/11/17 7:35:00 PM
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The Admiral posted...
Indeed, never forget to celebrate the heroic men and women who stopped the plague of socialism from spreading beyond the countries it destroyed.

So screwing with other countries is fine so long as it stops the "plague" of socialism?
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FLUFFYGERM
09/11/17 7:37:42 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
The Admiral posted...
Indeed, never forget to celebrate the heroic men and women who stopped the plague of socialism from spreading beyond the countries it destroyed.

So screwing with other countries is fine so long as it stops the "plague" of socialism?


wow you're very dishonest. TC's first link explains how that politician was active for over forty years.

Taken from the wikipedia page:

"Allende's involvement in Chilean political life spanned a period of nearly forty years. As a member of the Socialist Party, he was a senator, deputy and cabinet minister. He unsuccessfully ran for the presidency in the 1952, 1958, and 1964 elections. In 1970, he won the presidency in a close three-way race. He was elected in a run-off by Congress as no candidate had gained a majority.

As president, Allende adopted a policy of nationalization of industries and collectivisation; due to these and other factors, increasingly strained relations between him and the legislative and judicial branches of the Chilean government culminated in a declaration by Congress of a "constitutional breakdown". A centre-right majority including the Christian Democrats, whose support had enabled Allende's election, denounced his rule as unconstitutional and called for his overthrow by force."

as you can see the country was falling apart because of its own internal politics
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