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Colorahdo
09/09/17 7:06:35 PM
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Frodo wakes up in Rivendell, and the whole fellowship has assembled there while he recovered. But I don't think it was explained- who are all of these guys and how did they know to come? Gimli doesn't know legolas or boromir etc.

Are they all elrond's friends? They're not kings or anything right? Legolas is just some dude
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DarthAragorn
09/09/17 7:07:48 PM
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Legolas is the prince of Mirkwood I'm pretty sure
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Etherealfare
09/09/17 7:08:59 PM
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Gandalf gathered them there. Elrond really has nothing to do with it, other than he is already in Rivendell.
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gafemaqs
09/09/17 7:09:22 PM
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They're convening on what should happen to the ring
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Colorahdo
09/09/17 7:11:32 PM
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Etherealfare posted...
Gandalf gathered them there. Elrond really has nothing to do with it, other than he is already in Rivendell.


So they're Gandalf's friends? Like why these specific guys? Are they all princes from the different kingdoms?
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gafemaqs
09/09/17 7:12:08 PM
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Colorahdo posted...
Etherealfare posted...
Gandalf gathered them there. Elrond really has nothing to do with it, other than he is already in Rivendell.


So they're Gandalf's friends? Like why these specific guys? Are they all princes from the different kingdoms?

They're representatives of their races.
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Etherealfare
09/09/17 7:13:13 PM
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Start the movie over. Watch the scene where they throw the ring in the fireplace and Gandalf for the first time realizes what it is.

Frodo: "Here, take it."
Gandalf: "Oh no. It would corrupt me. And with my powers dare me to do horrible things."
Frodo: "What should we do?"
Gandalf: "Ride to the Prancing Pony. I will arrange for a meeting there with a Ranger. Tell nobody about the ring. Stay on the roads."
Frodo: "What about you?"
Gandalf: "I must ride to summon the great kingdoms of Man to deliberate on this advent of matters. We will meet at Rivendell. The Ranger will escort you there. You will be safe with him."

*awakes in Rivendell and Gandalf has already summoned the kingdoms, and they have sent their representatives*
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Colorahdo
09/09/17 7:13:52 PM
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gafemaqs posted...
Colorahdo posted...
Etherealfare posted...
Gandalf gathered them there. Elrond really has nothing to do with it, other than he is already in Rivendell.


So they're Gandalf's friends? Like why these specific guys? Are they all princes from the different kingdoms?

They're representatives of their races.


Why because they're princes? I thought they were just randos
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Etherealfare
09/09/17 7:15:31 PM
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Colorahdo posted...
Etherealfare posted...
Gandalf gathered them there. Elrond really has nothing to do with it, other than he is already in Rivendell.


So they're Gandalf's friends? Like why these specific guys? Are they all princes from the different kingdoms?

That's a close enough way to look at it. They're not ALL princes, per se, but for example Boromir is indeed the son of the King.

But the king only sends Boromir because the king wants him to take the ring and steal it back to their kingdom (revealed in 3rd movie).

Otherwise it's implied the king would've just sent some random scrub as he didn't GAF about their bullshit quest to save shit - he just wanted the ring's power.
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Aelia
09/09/17 7:16:26 PM
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Colorahdo posted...
gafemaqs posted...
Colorahdo posted...
Etherealfare posted...
Gandalf gathered them there. Elrond really has nothing to do with it, other than he is already in Rivendell.


So they're Gandalf's friends? Like why these specific guys? Are they all princes from the different kingdoms?

They're representatives of their races.


Why because they're princes? I thought they were just randos


Boromir is the son of the steward of gondor.

Legolas is son to Thranduil, king of mirkwood.

Gimli and Gloin were prob sent in the stead of Dain, king under the mountain I think.
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Etherealfare
09/09/17 7:17:34 PM
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Colorahdo posted...
gafemaqs posted...
Colorahdo posted...
Etherealfare posted...
Gandalf gathered them there. Elrond really has nothing to do with it, other than he is already in Rivendell.


So they're Gandalf's friends? Like why these specific guys? Are they all princes from the different kingdoms?

They're representatives of their races.


Why because they're princes? I thought they were just randos

No, not randos. Sean Bean's character is the son of the King.

Legolas is also the son of a King. But Legolas actually isn't there for the fellowship at all. He's there because prior to the events in the Fellowship, Gollum escapes from their kingdom's guard so Legolas is actually only there to discuss that.

It's not until Gandalf talks him into joining that he comes into the Fellowship
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Etherealfare
09/09/17 7:18:31 PM
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Boromir is the son of the steward of gondor.


I mean he's the King. For the fact of teaching the OP stuff, let's not confuse him with the lore behind it and the missing king, etc.

Yes, Boromir is the son of a king. And yes, his father literally rules Gondor.
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Aelia
09/09/17 7:21:27 PM
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Etherealfare posted...

Boromir is the son of the steward of gondor.


I mean he's the King. For the fact of teaching the OP stuff, let's not confuse him with the lore behind it and the missing king, etc.

Yes, Boromir is the son of a king. And yes, his father literally rules Gondor.



Yeah I did think to phrase it like that, but the council of elrond is also where it's revealed that Strider is the true king of Gondor. So I thought I could get away with being a pedant.
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thrashmetal14
09/09/17 7:23:56 PM
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Its kinda like a UN meeting. Representatives from all kingdoms deciding together what needs to be done about the Ring. Everybody there is a prince/king/person of high status except for the Hobbits.
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SlashmanSG
09/09/17 7:25:03 PM
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Etherealfare posted...
Gandalf gathered them there. Elrond really has nothing to do with it, other than he is already in Rivendell.

No, in the book it's clearly explained as happenstance, or fate, that they were all there. They were all on their own quests that ended up bringing them all to Rivendell at that time.
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Manocheese
09/09/17 8:15:02 PM
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Etherealfare posted...

Boromir is the son of the steward of gondor.


I mean he's the King. For the fact of teaching the OP stuff, let's not confuse him with the lore behind it and the missing king, etc.

Yes, Boromir is the son of a king. And yes, his father literally rules Gondor.

Denethor isn't a king.
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Etherealfare
09/09/17 8:33:46 PM
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The OP is obviously confused and asking questions - for the sake of being fucking simple, the dude is a king.

If he said "off with his head" then any given person's head is gone. He is the ruler.
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Manocheese
09/09/17 8:34:37 PM
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Etherealfare posted...
The OP is obviously confused and asking questions - for the sake of being fucking simple, the dude is a king.

If he said "off with his head" then any given person's head is gone. He is the ruler.

You've got serious comprehension problems if you can watch Return of the King and still think Denethor is a king.
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GeneralKenobi85
09/09/17 8:44:17 PM
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SlashmanSG posted...
Etherealfare posted...
Gandalf gathered them there. Elrond really has nothing to do with it, other than he is already in Rivendell.

No, in the book it's clearly explained as happenstance, or fate, that they were all there. They were all on their own quests that ended up bringing them all to Rivendell at that time.

Yeah, I'm reading the book right now and like half of the guests at the Council were there to seek Elrond's advice on matters that ended up relating to the Ring/Sauron in some way. And then there a couple Elves that don't appear in the film.
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Etherealfare
09/09/17 8:45:33 PM
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Manocheese posted...
Etherealfare posted...
The OP is obviously confused and asking questions - for the sake of being fucking simple, the dude is a king.

If he said "off with his head" then any given person's head is gone. He is the ruler.

You've got serious comprehension problems if you can watch Return of the King and still think Denethor is a king.

ok lol
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