Board 8 > Would you support a pre crime system

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crazyisgood
09/05/17 10:56:52 PM
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Would you support punishing people before they commit a crime


In any case
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Bane_Of_Despair
09/05/17 10:58:00 PM
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You watched Minority Report recently eh
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SgtSphynx
09/05/17 11:12:37 PM
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Not just no, but fuck no
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Pokewars
09/05/17 11:15:11 PM
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SgtSphynx posted...
Not just no, but fuck no

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Haste_2
09/05/17 11:16:07 PM
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No. If they're going to commit a crime, you try to help them so they don't do it. Like... if you know they're going to commit a crime and they're born into a wrecked family, have a strong family adopt them in their infancy.
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redrocket_pub
09/05/17 11:16:46 PM
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crazyisgood
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crazyisgood
09/05/17 11:21:20 PM
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...
You watched Minority Report recently eh

No just something people are saying has me thinking
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MrGreenonion
09/05/17 11:36:13 PM
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Don't we already do this? Conspiracy to commit charges?
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NFUN
09/05/17 11:37:15 PM
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MrGreenonion posted...
Don't we already do this? Conspiracy to commit charges?

That's for, well, conspiracy.
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MrGreenonion
09/06/17 12:40:22 AM
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Right but the reason that exists as a charge is to arrest people for the things they were planning to do that they haven't done yet. How is this different?
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NFUN
09/06/17 12:54:15 AM
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MrGreenonion posted...
Right but the reason that exists as a charge is to arrest people for the things they were planning to do that they haven't done yet. How is this different?

Part of it is incitement; even if you chicken out at the last minute and don't actually commit the criminal act, your co-conspirators might go ahead without you, resulting in a crime that you'd planned and condoned even if you technically didn't partake in it. You also have to actually take steps in preparing to commit the crime to be convicted, which, again, would be facilitation of a criminal act and would make it easier for others to follow through, with or without you.

You can't get convicted just for thinking about shooting up a school. I'm pretty sure it isn't even felonious to buy weapons and make plans on your own to rob a bank or commit a murder, etc.

And if you're a bit confused about this post, think of why this is a malaproper idiom: "Once is a coincidence, twice is an anomaly, thrice is a pattern."
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LapisLazuli
09/06/17 2:26:18 AM
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Minority Report rules or Psycho Pass rules
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crazyisgood
09/06/17 2:31:52 AM
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LapisLazuli posted...
Minority Report rules or Psycho Pass rules

Explain
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LapisLazuli
09/06/17 2:43:10 AM
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Minority Report - predicting specific crimes

Psycho Pass- determining likelihood to commit crime in general based on mental state.
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JetJaguar
09/06/17 2:43:42 AM
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liberals don't even believe in punishing people after they commit a crime
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LapisLazuli
09/06/17 2:55:39 AM
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That's nice Tim.

Personally I wouldn't not be in favor of either system, but bullet to the head I would go Psycho Pass rules. It's rehabilitation based rather than conviction based, since there is usually no actual crime on record, so at least it's a less death filled dystooia.
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MZero11
09/06/17 6:56:36 AM
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Sure, like if someone was plotting to lure a minor and molest them, or had a detailed plan to carry out a shooting or murder, or something like that. There would have to be undeniable evidence and a serious crime though, not like someone saying "I'm going to smoke weed tonight"
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banananor
09/06/17 7:02:27 AM
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Would need more details, but in some circumstances yes for sure

Obviously need caveats that prevent it from being used as a blanket excuse to lock up rivals
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