Current Events > Which "Game of Thrones" leader would make the best POTUS?

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I vote for Joffrey. He speaks his mind and gets things done. Besides, overpopulation is becoming a serious problem.
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Stannis the Mannis
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Ned 4 Lyfe
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The Night King.
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Ned or Stannis most likely. Tywin would be good as well, dude knows how to get shit done.
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None of these you millennial. The best would be Petyr Baelish, taking reference from House of Cards. That's how politics should be.

MuayThai85 posted...

Ned or Stannis most likely. Tywin would be good as well, dude knows how to get shit done.

Ned would continue to give out 'BAD DEALS', cause he knows as much about politics as a pigeon knows about jerking off. Stannis would be a more menacing version of Trump, enforcing a theocratic ruling body as well. Also he doesn't want to rule, he wants it because 'it's his right'. Which is never the path to democracy.

Of the three, Tywin is the only right answer.

Stannis doesn't give a shit about religion and he doesn't want to rule but thinks it's his duty. Fuck the show for getting him wrong.
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I was sort of debating which one, but I had missed Tywin. Tywin is unarguably the right choice.

Ned Stark is too rigid in his morals, unable to compromise to do what needs to be done.

Robert Baratheon: lol

Joffrey Baratheon: lol

Stannis Baratheon is even more rigid than Ned Stark though his morals bend a lot farther. He would be awful at diplomacy. Keep in mind that he didn't even allow his maester to call Robert his "beloved" brother in a letter.

Cersei Lannister may be the worst choice on this list. Robert and Joffrey are bad but they were not generally interested in ruling, so their advisors were able to competently govern in their stead. Cersei will prance from fuck-up to fuck-up, patting herself on the back for what a good job she's doing the entire time.

Robb Stark is a good person, but too ruled by his emotions. Both the Red Wedding and the fall of Winterfell are his fault.

Jon Snow isn't able to read the public. Hence why his policies led to him being killed. Some would argue this might be what we need though: someone who will force progress through despite what people think.

Mance Rayder might be the closest equivalent to Donald Trump. He'd be able to rally the public, but he doesn't have the experience necessary to do the job.

Daenarys is somehow too self-centered and too charitable. She also has the negative aspects of both Jon Snow and Mance Rayder: policies that the public hate and complete inexperience.

Tywin is the perfect blend.
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It is enforced in the show. Stannis's actions, such as willing to sacrifice Gendry for his own power, sacrificing his daughter, shows his theocratic beliefs.

Also he doesn't want to rule, he wants it because 'it's his right'.

That's partially what I said, the people didn't give him that duty. Him not wanting to rule, makes him sound like a kid who doesn't want the toy, but doesn't want others to have it, since his parents bought it for him.

OEIO999 posted...

It is enforced in the show. Stannis's actions, such as willing to sacrifice Gendry for his own power, sacrificing his daughter, shows his theocratic beliefs.

Not really. Haven't seen all of the seasons yet, so maybe the show changes him later on. But in the books (and in the parts of the show I've seen), Stannis isn't really religious. He uses Melisandre and her god because it gets results.

OEIO999 posted...

That's partially what I said, the people didn't give him that duty. Him not wanting to rule, makes him sound like a kid who doesn't want the toy, but doesn't want others to have it, since his parents bought it for him.

That's part of his rigid belief system. He is very, very big on duty. He doesn't want to rule, but it is his duty. He didn't want to marry his wife, but it is his duty. He didn't want to be Lord of Dragonstone, but it is his duty.

Also, making this post made me realize that the Tully words kind of sum up Stannis, the Starks, and the Lannisters. Lannisters are family, Stannis are duty, and the Starks are honor <_<
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Then I fear you are not going to like how they handle Stannis in the show. You're evaluating on what he says, but his actions, using Melisandre to kill Remly, willing to sacrifice Gendry to consolidate his power (who did nothing to him) and sacrificing Shiree, are the actions of a theocratic ruler. Regardless of what he says. Also Melisandre is older and logically, much wiser than Stannis. You think Stannis was using her, but in return she could be using him and he didn't even know it, in the show she does use him and abandons him.

We are talking about who would make the best POTUS. Stannis's rigid belief system is EXACTLY WHY he would be a horrible person for our current, republic rulling system. In their world? I guess, I am a man of the republic so I can't evaluate their system without biase. But in our world, he'd be a theocratic, dictator, who believes he is entitled to power. For eg. he burns Mance Rayder (in the book its different I know), because he wouldn't obey him. Straight up dictatorial.

Stannis the Mannis is the only acceptable answer.
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Enlightened Bran
Tyrion
Littlefinger

In that order
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Tywin gonna get our debts paid off.
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OEIO999 posted...

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I'm assuming we're equating these characters to modern American versions.The closest equivalent to Stannis in our world would likely be an atheist politician who attends church because it plays well with the masses who constantly fires people because they don't match his belief system. He wouldn't be a great president, but he wouldn't be the worst we've had.
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Anyone but Varys and Tyrion must be in their cabinet.
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CarlGrimes posted...

The Night King.

It wouldn't have been fair to include him because he's so obviously the best answer and would've dominated the polls.
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Bump.
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I should have included Ramsey Bolton. He would have had some interesting approaches to diplomacy.
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Nah, Ramsay wouldn't get far. Roose would go far because he can hide the fact that he's a sociopath, Ramsay does not.
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Roose Bolton
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DarthAragorn posted...

Stannis the Mannis

Salador Saan
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Ed Sheeran
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CarlGrimes posted...

The Night King.

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Out of those, Stannis is the only politician. So him.

EDIT: No I meant Tywin
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scar the 1 posted...

Out of those, Stannis is the only politician. So him.

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pegusus123456 posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Out of those, Stannis is the only politician. So him.

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I brainfarted. Meant Tywin, lol
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Stannis is an idiot who believes in witches and fairy tales to the point where he burns his own family and people.
Pretty shit quality to have as a leader. Night King for POTW
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I would put Mance second and Ned third on account of being charismatic and likely to take advice.
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Flasbangs posted...

Stannis is an idiot who believes in witches and fairy tales to the point where he burns his own family and people.

Well, the witches and fairy tales get results.

scar the 1 posted...

I would put Mance second and Ned third on account of being charismatic and likely to take advice.

Ned was killed because he couldn't take advice wtf
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pegusus123456 posted...

Ned was killed because he couldn't take advice wtf

No, he was killed because he knew too much. If he were a leader rather than the investigator, I'm quite certain he would consider his advisory council's input more than the people I rank lower in the OP.
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Eddard seems like the middle-of-the-road candidate that would be the successful compromise. He's traditional in the sense that he understand that tradition can help people band together, but he is perfectly accepting of other's beliefs and traditions. He pushes law and order, but is willing to compromise on unimportant issues. I know he was made to be the most generic, likable character in GoT, so it makes sense that he would win a charisma contest.

scar the 1 posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

Ned was killed because he couldn't take advice wtf

No, he was killed because he knew too much. If he were a leader rather than the investigator, I'm quite certain he would consider his advisory council's input more than the people I rank lower in the OP.

He was killed because he didn't follow Renly and Littlefinger's advice.
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au_gold posted...

I should have included Ramsey Bolton. He would have had some interesting approaches to diplomacy.

Yes. I'd have voted for Ramsey.
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pegusus123456 posted...

scar the 1 posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

Ned was killed because he couldn't take advice wtf

No, he was killed because he knew too much. If he were a leader rather than the investigator, I'm quite certain he would consider his advisory council's input more than the people I rank lower in the OP.

He was killed because he didn't follow Renly and Littlefinger's advice.

And that advice wasn't the same type of advice he'd get as a ruler/POTUS. Renly and Littlefinger weren't his advisors, they were his adversaries. I'm not saying that Ned would be the optimal pick, but he definitely was humble enough to know his own shortcomings and value the input of an advisory council. His failure to be a detective seeking to unravel the Lannister conspiracy isn't really applicable to the topic at hand. I still maintain that he would be more inclined to listen to advice on how to run the country than Robert, Joffrey, Stannis, Cersei, (maybe) Robb, Jon and Dany.
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Tywin the motherfucking man
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Which party do you think they'd be a part of?

Eddard would be a prime democratic candidate. Tywin, conservative no doubt. Mance, the Green Party.
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Mance Rayder is the only one there that's not a noble. And the wealthy can't be trusted to rule.

Margaery or Renly would be better than all listed, as well.
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jumi posted...

Mance Rayder is the only one there that's not a noble. And the wealthy can't be trusted to rule.

Margaery or Renly would be better than all listed, as well.

Lol what the fuck
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I didn't think the Starks were rich, nor Stannis.
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au_gold posted...

Tywin, conservative no doubt.

Why do you say that? I know he can be cynical and all, but he doesn't really strike me as the "traditional values" and strong central government type.

Tywin and it's not even close
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You know, I said Tywin due to sheer effectiveness, but I should've said Ned.

Wasn't thinking about how many advisors he'd have and the other wings of government. It wouldn't be JUST him making decisions and he'd listen to advice.

So, Ned assuming the three branches are working together properly. Tywin if we're counting on the president to singlehandedly get shit done.
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It's entertaining when you imagaine that most fictional characters would only be a slight difference from the cartoon currently playing in the oval office.
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au_gold posted...

I didn't think the Starks were rich, nor Stannis.

In the terms of medieval power and socio-economic status, they both are quite rich given the time periods. Both own entire keeps full of staff and have armies they pay under their command. In medieval England, that means you were part of the 'rich'.

Syntheticon posted...

It's entertaining when you imagaine that most fictional characters would only be a slight difference from the cartoon currently playing in the oval office.

Pretty much every character in GoT except Ramsey has more nuance and human depth than Trump tbh
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I'd lean towards Ned under the same logic as post 38. Assuming he weren't in the position of being backstabbed from fifteen different directions, he'd be a reasonably minded executive.

Tywin and book Stannis are fairly close in the running for the number 2 slot by my reckoning.
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