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Johnbobb
09/02/17 5:55:04 PM
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Just finished the game and I want somewhere to talk about it, and didn't want to fill the other Life is Strange topic with spoilers. I'll keep this initial post spoiler-tagged just in case, but from here on out: SPOILERS, BE WARNED.

Big things first with that ending:
-Who is the woman in white? She definitely seems important, aside from banging Rachel's dad. Non-chalantly smoking in a wildfire.
-Speaking of the wildfire, great fucking job Dontnod at hinting toward that wildfire the whole time. It sat in the back of my mind the whole time, but not in a way that made me actually expect that.
-Is Rachel supernatural? Like the fire was easily explained, but when she screamed... something was happening. I'm not sure what, but I feel like there's something powerful going on with her

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Johnbobb
09/03/17 12:35:10 AM
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Robazoid
09/03/17 2:06:29 AM
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Oh whoops, I missed this topic earlier. Since you marked spoilers too I won't bother to tag this post. I apologize for the length of this but I really liked the episode and have stuff to say!

I agree about the woman being important, she's probably the biggest unanswered question I have after the episode. No way she's just some random lady, but I can't even begin to guess who she might be.

I liked the wildfire too, it was a poetically dire way to end the episode and fit with the mood of the two girls.

As for Rachel, this is probably the biggest thing I want to talk about. Her scream certainly seemed to cause a burst of wind, which could've just been thematic, but I'm still super hyped to see if that goes anywhere. In Episode 5, (spoilers for regular Life is Strange, I guess) Chloe theorized that the tornado might be Rachel's angry spirit or something like that, I forget the exact wording. If they give Rachel some sort of power to make that a reality, they might actually retroactively save Episode 5 for me. Fuck Warren and his 'time is strange' BS explanation, I want Hurricane Rachel

Anyway, in the other topic you mentioned that the Chloe/Rachel relationship seemed to build too fast. I thought that was neatly done, actually. At the end Rachel revealed that she planned the whole trip to see who her father was meeting, and that means she dragged Chloe along on purpose. I took all the backtalk hardcore choices with Chloe so Rachel called her a badass. Not sure how that conversation would go if I went the other way but I thought that made sense. Rachel basically manipulated Chloe to come along and back her up depending on how things with her father went.

I don't think Rachel is a bad person or anything, but this episode certainly seemed to confirm a lot of my preconceptions about her. She seems awfully manipulative, and at one point there was even a dialogue option for Chloe to point out that everything she likes involves lying, acting, and playing games. Still, she's fascinating. The writers did a great job bringing her to life, it was like meeting someone I'd already heard so much about and they were exactly as I'd imagined.

It also made a lot of sense to me that Chloe went along with it so easily. Max obviously left a huge hole in her life and everything else isn't going great either. Then Rachel shows up, and I think that might be the first time in a long while that someone actually tried to connect with Chloe on her level. She enjoyed the D&D game, sure, but Rachel wanted to skip class and go do fun troublemaker things. Add in the clear bisexual awakening Chloe seems to be going through (one of her journal entries talked about fantasizing about some Blade Runner chick and considering what it meant) and it makes sense why she fell so hard for Rachel so fast. I guess what I'm saying is that their relationship was rushed but it still made sense, I dunno

Speaking of Max, man, fuck Max. Those texts showed that Chloe did everything possible to keep in touch and Max flaked out super hard. It made me sad. Having the journal entries being Chloe talking to an absent Max was a nice touch, too. It kept her in the narrative even though she wasn't in the narrative

The last thing I want to say is that 'Smash' scene at the junkyard was brilliant. This was what I was talking about in the other topic with the writers really understanding Chloe's character. It would've been so easy to just have her cry, but no, fuck that, that isn't how Chloe processes things. She lashes out, so she's going around smashing things. Then she sees her dad's car... and it would've been so easy again to have her break down at this point. But they didn't, they had her smash it a bit too. That might be my favorite Life is Strange sequence so far, and that's saying a lot.
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Johnbobb
09/03/17 10:29:07 AM
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Robazoid posted...
As for Rachel, this is probably the biggest thing I want to talk about. Her scream certainly seemed to cause a burst of wind, which could've just been thematic, but I'm still super hyped to see if that goes anywhere. In Episode 5, (spoilers for regular Life is Strange, I guess) Chloe theorized that the tornado might be Rachel's angry spirit or something like that, I forget the exact wording. If they give Rachel some sort of power to make that a reality, they might actually retroactively save Episode 5 for me. Fuck Warren and his 'time is strange' BS explanation, I want Hurricane Rachel

That would be really awesome, and I believe it. I remember there was some sort of interview about this game where they mentioned that even though the time powers aren't there, the supernatural aspect would stick around, and now I'm really thinking that's from Rachel.

Although Rachel causing the tornado raises more questions, primarily "why does letting Chloe die prevent the tornado? It's almost like herrage is what causes it somehow
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Johnbobb
09/03/17 10:44:04 AM
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Robazoid posted...
Anyway, in the other topic you mentioned that the Chloe/Rachel relationship seemed to build too fast. I thought that was neatly done, actually. At the end Rachel revealed that she planned the whole trip to see who her father was meeting, and that means she dragged Chloe along on purpose. I took all the backtalk hardcore choices with Chloe so Rachel called her a badass. Not sure how that conversation would go if I went the other way but I thought that made sense. Rachel basically manipulated Chloe to come along and back her up depending on how things with her father went.

By the end, I was more okay with it, especially once Rachel's motivations were made a little more clear, and it helped that Chloe's journal entries had already been hinting at her becoming interested in girls (I laughed out loud at the "rubbing one to Blade Runner" comment.

Robazoid posted...
I don't think Rachel is a bad person or anything, but this episode certainly seemed to confirm a lot of my preconceptions about her. She seems awfully manipulative, and at one point there was even a dialogue option for Chloe to point out that everything she likes involves lying, acting, and playing games. Still, she's fascinating. The writers did a great job bringing her to life, it was like meeting someone I'd already heard so much about and they were exactly as I'd imagined.

Oh absolutely. After how much Life is Strange built her up "mostly via her importance to Chloe" it was cool to finally see her, and it's easy to get why she'd be so memorable. Tbh I'm surprised more people didn't talk about her in the original game given how huge she was here. The MISSING posters were like all the rest of the school had to say about her.

Robazoid posted...
Add in the clear bisexual awakening Chloe seems to be going through (one of her journal entries talked about fantasizing about some Blade Runner chick and considering what it meant)

oh shit didn't even realize you pointed out the same thing xD

Robazoid posted...
Speaking of Max, man, fuck Max. Those texts showed that Chloe did everything possible to keep in touch and Max flaked out super hard. It made me sad. Having the journal entries being Chloe talking to an absent Max was a nice touch, too. It kept her in the narrative even though she wasn't in the narrative

Yeah, what the hell was that? My first thought was absolutely "holy shit, Max is an asshole" which made me legitimately sad, because I loved Max in Life is Strange, and it's hard to imagine her acting like that. Maybe someday will get a pre-pre-quel explaining why Max was such a dick when she moved away.

Robazoid posted...
The last thing I want to say is that 'Smash' scene at the junkyard was brilliant. This was what I was talking about in the other topic with the writers really understanding Chloe's character. It would've been so easy to just have her cry, but no, fuck that, that isn't how Chloe processes things. She lashes out, so she's going around smashing things. Then she sees her dad's car... and it would've been so easy again to have her break down at this point. But they didn't, they had her smash it a bit too. That might be my favorite Life is Strange sequence so far, and that's saying a lot.

Oh for sure, it was really impressive, and it was cool to see her suggest the same thing when she noticed Rachel was sad. She assumes that people just cope the same way she does. It's easy to overlook sometimes that these are just high schoolers. They have reason to be a little emotionally immature, and sometimes that's gonna show.
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Robazoid
09/03/17 6:14:40 PM
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Johnbobb posted...
Although Rachel causing the tornado raises more questions, primarily "why does letting Chloe die prevent the tornado? It's almost like herrage is what causes it somehow

There are ways to explain it. My own fanfiction reason has been that Chloe dying before the storm really got started somehow allowed her spirit to calm Rachel's spirit but I guess we'll see if this is even the direction the game goes with this. More than anything I just really hate Warren's explanation for things and want it erased

Johnbobb posted...
Maybe someday will get a pre-pre-quel explaining why Max was such a dick when she moved away.

My theory has always been that post-William Chloe probably wasn't the easiest person to deal with. Add in how shy Max is and there might've come a point where she didn't know how to approach the situation anymore so she just ran away. Still, the deluxe version of 'Before the Storm' will eventually have a bonus episode about Max, so maybe this will be the pre-prequel that will explain everything!
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Mobilezoid
09/05/17 2:11:46 AM
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I have to believe that someone other than us will want to discuss this so I'll bump it once or twice
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Robazoid
09/06/17 4:12:16 PM
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One final bump

I hope more people play this once it's fully released, at least!
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Cody11533
09/06/17 11:32:01 PM
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Played through it last night. I really loved season one, but with a different team doing Before the Storm, I had some hesitation before the good reviews won me over and I bought it. I thought it was absolutely fantastic. As someone who was rather meh on Chloe, I really enjoyed playing as her and seeing things from her perspective.

Thoughts:

-I love the setting of Arcadia Bay and all the characters there, so just going back was a treat. Seeing things a few years before the original was neat.

-The (not) DnD session might have been my favorite part on the whole, it was that good. I would legitimately play more of that if they made it a standalone thing.

-It was great getting to know Rachel, she was a very interesting character, coming off as extremely charismatic but also extremely manipulative. It felt natural to have Chloe open up to her despite the boundaries she would typically put up with other people.

-That ending really kicked things up. I wasn't expecting anything supernatural, but I would love for something strange to play a role in the story. There's definitely something odd about Rachel and her banshee scream. I wouldn't be surprised if it is somehow connected to the woman her dad met in the park, that lady was way too mysterious to just be her dad's new fling. Also, I think I agree with the theory that Rachel's spirit somehow caused the storm that destroyed Arcadia Bay. Maybe because she was killed there and never got to escape like she wanted, so it was an act of vengeance? And I could see Chloe's death as the one thing that could soothe Rachel's spirit and prevent the storm.

-Knowing that Rachel and Chloe (or the town, but I let Chloe die to save the town in my game) have a tragic ending is really going to make this game and their relationship hurt even more. Without even knowing Rachel in the original, I still felt for Chloe, especially when we found Rachel's body. With all the new personal context from Before the Storm, replaying the original is going to be even more bittersweet, especially for Chloe. Honestly, I am glad that Before the Storm should provide an even better perspective on the events of the first game. It is what a good prequel should do.

-I thought the graffiti was a nice way to incorporate the collectibles from the original in a Chloe way.

-About Max, I can sort of understand her loss of contact with Chloe. I tend to drift away from people if I don't see them regularly, and I've stopped talking with a lot of friends from college especially now that I've graduated. For some people, distance can be a real deterrent to conversation. Add in the trauma from William's death and Chloe's struggles in dealing with it, and I could easily understand how Max might have found it easier to simply ignore Chloe and Arcadia Bay once she left, even if it wasn't right.

Overall I came away feeling very good about the game, and I'm eagerly awaiting the next episode. I didn't play the first game until it was completely released, so this wait is going to be brutal.
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Johnbobb
09/07/17 12:14:58 AM
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Cody11533 posted...
-The (not) DnD session might have been my favorite part on the whole, it was that good. I would legitimately play more of that if they made it a standalone thing.

I demand to see a DnD session in both of the upcoming episodes
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Robazoid
09/07/17 3:01:39 AM
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Yay, someone else played this.

Cody11533 posted...
Played through it last night. I really loved season one, but with a different team doing Before the Storm, I had some hesitation before the good reviews won me over and I bought it. I thought it was absolutely fantastic.

I mentioned this in my earlier topic, but I was hesitant about Before the Storm too. I'm a Life is Strange turbo-fan and I didn't even keep up with trailers or anything, I was convinced Before the Storm would be average at best. Obviously I was pleasantly surprised too when it turned out to be great!

Cody11533 posted...
-That ending really kicked things up. I wasn't expecting anything supernatural, but I would love for something strange to play a role in the story. There's definitely something odd about Rachel and her banshee scream. I wouldn't be surprised if it is somehow connected to the woman her dad met in the park, that lady was way too mysterious to just be her dad's new fling. Also, I think I agree with the theory that Rachel's spirit somehow caused the storm that destroyed Arcadia Bay. Maybe because she was killed there and never got to escape like she wanted, so it was an act of vengeance? And I could see Chloe's death as the one thing that could soothe Rachel's spirit and prevent the storm.

Yeah, this was my fanfiction theory to address a bunch of (what I saw as) plotholes following Episode 5, so just the idea that it might be going that direction is great for me. It requires a few small revisions to the plot, but otherwise I thought the theory covered everything a lot more satisfactorily than the non-answer Warren gave. That said, the actual story of Before the Storm probably won't go this direction at all so I probably shouldn't get my hopes up >_>

Johnbobb posted...
Cody11533 posted...
-The (not) DnD session might have been my favorite part on the whole, it was that good. I would legitimately play more of that if they made it a standalone thing.

I demand to see a DnD session in both of the upcoming episodes

I am 100% in favor of this, the D&D scene was amazing
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Cody11533
09/07/17 11:16:06 PM
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Robazoid posted...
Johnbobb posted...
Cody11533 posted...
-The (not) DnD session might have been my favorite part on the whole, it was that good. I would legitimately play more of that if they made it a standalone thing.

I demand to see a DnD session in both of the upcoming episodes

I am 100% in favor of this, the D&D scene was amazing

It turns out the reason Max was ignoring Chloe was because she was busy playing DnD. That bonus episode featuring Max is just 3 hours of DnD, because it was so well received in episode 1.
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Menji
09/08/17 12:51:16 PM
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I wasn't hyped for this despite loving the original but damn did it hit me when the intro song started playing. Love the music.

Ending was pretty great... it's crazy because literally in Oregon right now there was a huge wildfire that started because some kids were playing with fireworks... what timing.

Dialogue is excellent.

I forget, what is the time difference between this and LIS?
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Robazoid
09/08/17 3:59:48 PM
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Cody11533 posted...
It turns out the reason Max was ignoring Chloe was because she was busy playing DnD. That bonus episode featuring Max is just 3 hours of DnD, because it was so well received in episode 1.

I'm actually not sure how Max would handle D&D so I'd be interested in seeing this! She's normally shy and unconfrontational but I could see her getting into the fantasy

Menji posted...
I forget, what is the time difference between this and LIS?

It's a little over three years. BtS takes place in May 2010, LiS takes place in October 2013.

...Actually, now that I think about it, doesn't that mean a bunch of characters should've graduated by the time Max gets to Blackwell?
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Menji
09/08/17 4:04:05 PM
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Well I think Chloe is 16 which would make her a sophmore or junior. Didn't the football player hate on Nathan for being a freshman? So I assume that make them all seniors when Max comes.
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Robazoid
09/08/17 4:12:18 PM
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Oh, right, In America high school is the last four years. In Canada high school is only considered the last three grades so that's what I'm used to. Whoops
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Cody11533
09/08/17 4:35:04 PM
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Menji posted...
Ending was pretty great... it's crazy because literally in Oregon right now there was a huge wildfire that started because some kids were playing with fireworks... what timing.

Right after I finished the episode this was the top news story on my homepage. The timing was incredible.
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OrangeCrush980
09/08/17 4:50:07 PM
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Robazoid posted...
Oh, right, In America high school is the last four years. In Canada high school is only considered the last three grades so that's what I'm used to. Whoops


Nah, it's definitely a plothole. Victoria is a sophomore in Life is Strange 0, which makes no sense.
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Johnbobb
09/08/17 5:17:09 PM
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Alright so looking up the timeline:

1994 - Chloe, Nathan and Rachel are born
1995 - Max, Warren and Victoria are born
2008 - William dies, Max moves away (Chloe is 14, Max is 13)
2010 - Chloe is in Blackwell (Chloe is 16)
2013 - Max is in Blackwell, Chloe has been expelled (Chloe is 19, Max is 18)

Then again, Blackwell Academy is a private school so it might not go by the same rules as a normal US high school.
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Menji
09/08/17 5:21:49 PM
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Maybe VC skipped a grade, then did an extended senior year!
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Johnbobb
09/08/17 5:23:26 PM
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maybe she got held back because she's not actually as smart as she thinks she is
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