Current Events > L.A. Votes to Replace Columbus Day With Indigenous Peoples Day

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A_Good_Boy 08/31/17 1:46:40 AM #152:	Callixtus posted... Yes, he probably did commit some of the actions alleged against him. A significant amount of it was also probably exaggeration by his enemies. Which ones? Be specific. It's your claim after all. --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:885761188] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote> Yes, he probably did commit some of the actions alleged against him. A significant amount of it was also probably exaggeration by his enemies.</quote> Which ones? Be specific. It's your claim after all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SlashmanSG 08/31/17 1:48:15 AM #153:	Nomadic View posted... Ex-Kefiroth posted... Columbus Day ought to be scrapped as a national holiday altogether and we should have Election Day elevated to holiday status to replace it. I actually don't mind that. Election Day is much more significant and there is a greater need for people to be off work that day. ...every job I've had and heard of is required to give you time to vot on election day. --- Fight Science with Wood http://i.imgur.com/MMRZgNi.gif http://i.imgur.com/Um0p3xx.gif http://i.imgur.com/MIbbUHB.gif <cite>SlashmanSG posted [p:885761234] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ex-Kefiroth posted...</cite> <quote>Columbus Day ought to be scrapped as a national holiday altogether and we should have Election Day elevated to holiday status to replace it.</quote> I actually don't mind that. Election Day is much more significant and there is a greater need for people to be off work that day.</quote> ...every job I've had and heard of is required to give you time to vot on election day.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 08/31/17 1:51:50 AM #154:	SlashmanSG posted... Nomadic View posted... Ex-Kefiroth posted... Columbus Day ought to be scrapped as a national holiday altogether and we should have Election Day elevated to holiday status to replace it. I actually don't mind that. Election Day is much more significant and there is a greater need for people to be off work that day. ...every job I've had and heard of is required to give you time to vot on election day. What law guarantees you have time off to vote? --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:885761329] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>SlashmanSG posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ex-Kefiroth posted...</cite> <quote>Columbus Day ought to be scrapped as a national holiday altogether and we should have Election Day elevated to holiday status to replace it.</quote> I actually don't mind that. Election Day is much more significant and there is a greater need for people to be off work that day.</quote> ...every job I've had and heard of is required to give you time to vot on election day.</quote> What law guarantees you have time off to vote?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 08/31/17 1:57:31 AM #156:	It's clear that you people want to just deprive one ethnic group of a long established prideful day of celebration to appease the passions of the mob. It's a shame. Instead of offering an alternative day or solution, you choose to engage in needless ethnic conflict. --- KhanofKhans, KhanJohnson, Saloonist, Basileos <cite>Callixtus posted [p:885761493] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>It's clear that you people want to just deprive one ethnic group of a long established prideful day of celebration to appease the passions of the mob. It's a shame. Instead of offering an alternative day or solution, you choose to engage in needless ethnic conflict.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 08/31/17 1:59:22 AM #157:	Callixtus posted... It's clear that you people want to just deprive one ethnic group of a long established prideful day of celebration to appease the passions of the mob. It's a shame. Instead of offering an alternative day or solution, you choose to engage in needless ethnic conflict. Find a more worthy hero to celebrate then. If all Italians have to offer is Columbus then they have nobody to blame but themselves. --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:885761543] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>It's clear that you people want to just deprive one ethnic group of a long established prideful day of celebration to appease the passions of the mob. It's a shame. Instead of offering an alternative day or solution, you choose to engage in needless ethnic conflict.</quote> Find a more worthy hero to celebrate then. If all Italians have to offer is Columbus then they have nobody to blame but themselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 08/31/17 2:02:03 AM #158:	A_Good_Boy posted... Callixtus posted... It's clear that you people want to just deprive one ethnic group of a long established prideful day of celebration to appease the passions of the mob. It's a shame. Instead of offering an alternative day or solution, you choose to engage in needless ethnic conflict. Find a more worthy hero to celebrate then. If all Italians have to offer is Columbus then they have nobody to blame but themselves. Again Columbus conquered and Ocean and created a New World. He is literally one of the most important men to have lived in the last 1000 years. --- KhanofKhans, KhanJohnson, Saloonist, Basileos <cite>Callixtus posted [p:885761627] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>It's clear that you people want to just deprive one ethnic group of a long established prideful day of celebration to appease the passions of the mob. It's a shame. Instead of offering an alternative day or solution, you choose to engage in needless ethnic conflict.</quote> Find a more worthy hero to celebrate then. If all Italians have to offer is Columbus then they have nobody to blame but themselves.</quote> Again Columbus conquered and Ocean and created a New World. He is literally one of the most important men to have lived in the last 1000 years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 08/31/17 2:03:25 AM #159:	Callixtus posted... A_Good_Boy posted... Callixtus posted... It's clear that you people want to just deprive one ethnic group of a long established prideful day of celebration to appease the passions of the mob. It's a shame. Instead of offering an alternative day or solution, you choose to engage in needless ethnic conflict. Find a more worthy hero to celebrate then. If all Italians have to offer is Columbus then they have nobody to blame but themselves. Again Columbus conquered and Ocean and created a New World. He is literally one of the most important men to have lived in the last 1000 years. yawn --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:885761682] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>It's clear that you people want to just deprive one ethnic group of a long established prideful day of celebration to appease the passions of the mob. It's a shame. Instead of offering an alternative day or solution, you choose to engage in needless ethnic conflict.</quote> Find a more worthy hero to celebrate then. If all Italians have to offer is Columbus then they have nobody to blame but themselves.</quote> Again Columbus conquered and Ocean and created a New World. He is literally one of the most important men to have lived in the last 1000 years.</quote> yawn</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 08/31/17 2:05:12 AM #160:	A_Good_Boy posted... Callixtus posted... A_Good_Boy posted... Callixtus posted... It's clear that you people want to just deprive one ethnic group of a long established prideful day of celebration to appease the passions of the mob. It's a shame. Instead of offering an alternative day or solution, you choose to engage in needless ethnic conflict. Find a more worthy hero to celebrate then. If all Italians have to offer is Columbus then they have nobody to blame but themselves. Again Columbus conquered and Ocean and created a New World. He is literally one of the most important men to have lived in the last 1000 years. yawn Meanwhile, A_Good_Boy sits on his ass and gets well acquainted with his left hand. --- KhanofKhans, KhanJohnson, Saloonist, Basileos <cite>Callixtus posted [p:885761737] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>It's clear that you people want to just deprive one ethnic group of a long established prideful day of celebration to appease the passions of the mob. It's a shame. Instead of offering an alternative day or solution, you choose to engage in needless ethnic conflict.</quote> Find a more worthy hero to celebrate then. If all Italians have to offer is Columbus then they have nobody to blame but themselves.</quote> Again Columbus conquered and Ocean and created a New World. He is literally one of the most important men to have lived in the last 1000 years.</quote> yawn</quote> Meanwhile, A_Good_Boy sits on his ass and gets well acquainted with his left hand.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 08/31/17 2:08:13 AM #161:	Callixtus posted... A_Good_Boy posted... Callixtus posted... A_Good_Boy posted... Callixtus posted... It's clear that you people want to just deprive one ethnic group of a long established prideful day of celebration to appease the passions of the mob. It's a shame. Instead of offering an alternative day or solution, you choose to engage in needless ethnic conflict. Find a more worthy hero to celebrate then. If all Italians have to offer is Columbus then they have nobody to blame but themselves. Again Columbus conquered and Ocean and created a New World. He is literally one of the most important men to have lived in the last 1000 years. yawn Meanwhile, A_Good_Boy sits on his ass and gets well acquainted with his left hand. And Callixtus is losing arguments to dudes typing with one hand. Your parents must be proud. --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:885761829] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>It's clear that you people want to just deprive one ethnic group of a long established prideful day of celebration to appease the passions of the mob. It's a shame. Instead of offering an alternative day or solution, you choose to engage in needless ethnic conflict.</quote> Find a more worthy hero to celebrate then. If all Italians have to offer is Columbus then they have nobody to blame but themselves.</quote> Again Columbus conquered and Ocean and created a New World. He is literally one of the most important men to have lived in the last 1000 years.</quote> yawn</quote> Meanwhile, A_Good_Boy sits on his ass and gets well acquainted with his left hand.</quote> And Callixtus is losing arguments to dudes typing with one hand. Your parents must be proud.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 08/31/17 2:11:56 AM #162:	A_Good_Boy posted... Callixtus posted... A_Good_Boy posted... Callixtus posted... A_Good_Boy posted... Callixtus posted... It's clear that you people want to just deprive one ethnic group of a long established prideful day of celebration to appease the passions of the mob. It's a shame. Instead of offering an alternative day or solution, you choose to engage in needless ethnic conflict. Find a more worthy hero to celebrate then. If all Italians have to offer is Columbus then they have nobody to blame but themselves. Again Columbus conquered and Ocean and created a New World. He is literally one of the most important men to have lived in the last 1000 years. yawn Meanwhile, A_Good_Boy sits on his ass and gets well acquainted with his left hand. And Callixtus is losing arguments to dudes typing with one hand. Your parents must be proud. I haven't even lost a single point because none of you children can even be bothered to summon up the least bit of evidence to support your asinine positions. --- KhanofKhans, KhanJohnson, Saloonist, Basileos <cite>Callixtus posted [p:885761932] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>It's clear that you people want to just deprive one ethnic group of a long established prideful day of celebration to appease the passions of the mob. It's a shame. Instead of offering an alternative day or solution, you choose to engage in needless ethnic conflict.</quote> Find a more worthy hero to celebrate then. If all Italians have to offer is Columbus then they have nobody to blame but themselves.</quote> Again Columbus conquered and Ocean and created a New World. He is literally one of the most important men to have lived in the last 1000 years.</quote> yawn</quote> Meanwhile, A_Good_Boy sits on his ass and gets well acquainted with his left hand.</quote> And Callixtus is losing arguments to dudes typing with one hand. Your parents must be proud.</quote> I haven't even lost a single point because none of you children can even be bothered to summon up the least bit of evidence to support your asinine positions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 08/31/17 2:13:37 AM #163:	Callixtus posted... A_Good_Boy posted... Callixtus posted... A_Good_Boy posted... Callixtus posted... A_Good_Boy posted... Callixtus posted... It's clear that you people want to just deprive one ethnic group of a long established prideful day of celebration to appease the passions of the mob. It's a shame. Instead of offering an alternative day or solution, you choose to engage in needless ethnic conflict. Find a more worthy hero to celebrate then. If all Italians have to offer is Columbus then they have nobody to blame but themselves. Again Columbus conquered and Ocean and created a New World. He is literally one of the most important men to have lived in the last 1000 years. yawn Meanwhile, A_Good_Boy sits on his ass and gets well acquainted with his left hand. And Callixtus is losing arguments to dudes typing with one hand. Your parents must be proud. I haven't even lost a single point because none of you children can even be bothered to summon up the least bit of evidence to support your asinine positions. yawn --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:885761969] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>It's clear that you people want to just deprive one ethnic group of a long established prideful day of celebration to appease the passions of the mob. It's a shame. Instead of offering an alternative day or solution, you choose to engage in needless ethnic conflict.</quote> Find a more worthy hero to celebrate then. If all Italians have to offer is Columbus then they have nobody to blame but themselves.</quote> Again Columbus conquered and Ocean and created a New World. He is literally one of the most important men to have lived in the last 1000 years.</quote> yawn</quote> Meanwhile, A_Good_Boy sits on his ass and gets well acquainted with his left hand.</quote> And Callixtus is losing arguments to dudes typing with one hand. Your parents must be proud.</quote> I haven't even lost a single point because none of you children can even be bothered to summon up the least bit of evidence to support your asinine positions.</quote> yawn</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 08/31/17 2:18:38 AM #164:	yawn --- KhanofKhans, KhanJohnson, Saloonist, Basileos <cite>Callixtus posted [p:885762099] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>yawn</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MangaFan462 08/31/17 2:25:24 AM #165:	I'd vote to rename LA to Cuck City --- Posted using GameFlux https://i.imgur.com/Il34cSX.jpg / https://i.redd.it/zwfbqetu2b8y.jpg <cite>MangaFan462 posted [p:885762270] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>I'd vote to rename LA to Cuck City</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 08/31/17 2:29:04 AM #166:	Callixtus posted... I haven't even lost a single point because none of you children can even be bothered to summon up the least bit of evidence to support your asinine positions. They've got nothing but drivel. They want to pretend his discoveries and achievements are null and void because of conquests that occurred hundreds of years ago. They probably even believe if they existed during that time period they would be omnipotent. "Wah wah" even tried to pretend the Vikings were responsible. It's sad, really. But not surprising. They're just doing their part to #RESIST TRUMP and "bigotry" --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:885762395] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>I haven't even lost a single point because none of you children can even be bothered to summon up the least bit of evidence to support your asinine positions.</quote> They've got nothing but drivel. They want to pretend his discoveries and achievements are null and void because of conquests that occurred hundreds of years ago. They probably even believe if they existed during that time period they would be omnipotent. "Wah wah" even tried to pretend the Vikings were responsible. It's sad, really. But not surprising. They're just doing their part to #RESIST TRUMP and "bigotry"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jborgan 08/31/17 2:31:29 AM #167:	I just don't understand why you quickly point out that every other conqueror and explorer did awful things, but when asked specifically about Columbus, the most you can say is "yes, he probably did some of those things. It seems like you're reluctant to criticize him in any way. It looks like the most you can say is that he wasn't a very good governor. Do you believe that he was ultimately a good person? How come we can't judge him by our current standards? Another thing I don't understand is why would you bring up Teddy Roosevelt? Of all people, why him? How did he glorify killing other men? How does it make sense to bring up Roosevelt's actions compared to what Columbus did? --- http://www.last.fm/user/jborgan <cite>jborgan posted [p:885762468] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>I just don't understand why you quickly point out that every other conqueror and explorer did awful things, but when asked specifically about Columbus, the most you can say is "yes, he probably did some of those things. It seems like you're reluctant to criticize him in any way. It looks like the most you can say is that he wasn't a very good governor. Do you believe that he was ultimately a good person? How come we can't judge him by our current standards? Another thing I don't understand is why would you bring up Teddy Roosevelt? Of all people, why him? How did he glorify killing other men? How does it make sense to bring up Roosevelt's actions compared to what Columbus did?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RickyTheBAWSE 08/31/17 2:39:48 AM #168:	Indigenous people day? I'm down with it. --- Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to your story! BAWSE! <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted [p:885762732] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>Indigenous people day? I'm down with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JerickoX 08/31/17 2:42:32 AM #169:	Next they'll get rid of President's day with "Let's Blow Up Mount Rushmore"'s eve. --- If you browse Facebook or play video games, then you have time to learn, fuel your passion, and make it real. Be ruthless with yourself. - T. Sykes, 2017. <cite>JerickoX posted [p:885762805] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>Next they'll get rid of President's day with "Let's Blow Up Mount Rushmore"'s eve.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MangaFan462 08/31/17 3:07:06 AM #170:	EnterTheTekken posted... Don't they have absurd traffic and homeless in the city to worry about? Illegal immigration and crime too but deflecting from these real issues is more important. --- Posted using GameFlux https://i.imgur.com/Il34cSX.jpg / https://i.redd.it/zwfbqetu2b8y.jpg <cite>MangaFan462 posted [p:885763499] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>EnterTheTekken posted...</cite> <quote>Don't they have absurd traffic and homeless in the city to worry about?</quote> Illegal immigration and crime too but deflecting from these real issues is more important.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RickyTheBAWSE 08/31/17 3:09:27 AM #171:	MangaFan462 posted... EnterTheTekken posted... Don't they have absurd traffic and homeless in the city to worry about? Illegal immigration and crime too but deflecting from these real issues is more important. because an entire state can only focus on one issue at a time? --- Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to your story! BAWSE! <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted [p:885763564] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>MangaFan462 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EnterTheTekken posted...</cite> <quote> Don't they have absurd traffic and homeless in the city to worry about?</quote> Illegal immigration and crime too but deflecting from these real issues is more important.</quote> because an entire state can only focus on one issue at a time?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 08/31/17 3:13:04 AM #172:	About time we start realizing Columbus was a sack of shit. Very few people get national holidays. A non-American who thought the Caribbean was something else and was considered rotten even in his own time probably shouldn't be one of them. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:885763673] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>About time we start realizing Columbus was a sack of shit. Very few people get national holidays. A non-American who thought the Caribbean was something else and was considered rotten even in his own time probably shouldn't be one of them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crazyman93 08/31/17 3:32:06 AM #173:	Bio1590 posted... Callixtus posted... EyeWontBeFooled posted... Good, Columbus was a moron, and a ruthless killer. He was also quite bold and did something no one in history had ever really done before. Gone to America and stayed. He also died over 500 years ago and probably only interacted with a few Indian tribes that don't even constitute 1% of all the tribes and nations out there. Why do people treat him as if he murdered every Indian he saw with his own hands last week? He basically oversaw the genocide of native people where ever he went, not to mention he basically started the Atlantic Slave Trade. Also even in his own time he was noted for being cruel. It's not some revisionist history. You left out the fact that schools teach him being the only guy to think Earth is round was wrong. The educated KNEW the world is round, and they knew he underestimated his calculations. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks <cite>Crazyman93 posted [p:885764190] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EyeWontBeFooled posted...</cite> <quote>Good, Columbus was a moron, and a ruthless killer.</quote> He was also quite bold and did something no one in history had ever really done before. Gone to America and stayed. He also died over 500 years ago and probably only interacted with a few Indian tribes that don't even constitute 1% of all the tribes and nations out there. Why do people treat him as if he murdered every Indian he saw with his own hands last week?</quote> He basically oversaw the genocide of native people where ever he went, not to mention he basically started the Atlantic Slave Trade. Also even in his own time he was noted for being cruel. It's not some revisionist history.</quote> You left out the fact that schools teach him being the only guy to think Earth is round was wrong. The educated KNEW the world is round, and they knew he underestimated his calculations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 08/31/17 7:29:08 AM #174:	Callixtus posted... I haven't even lost a single point because none of you children can even be bothered to summon up the least bit of evidence to support your asinine positions. We have directed you to source material, but you're too lazy to read it, or in the case of people who HAVE shown you quotes, you clumsily justify it with "well other people did that stuff too" as if that has any relevance at all to whether Columbus is a worthy human being or not. Your position is akin to a blind person demanding for proof that the sky is blue. The ostrich defense is never a good look. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:885769031] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>I haven't even lost a single point because none of you children can even be bothered to summon up the least bit of evidence to support your asinine positions. </quote> We have directed you to source material, but you're too lazy to read it, or in the case of people who HAVE shown you quotes, you clumsily justify it with "well other people did that stuff too" as if that has any relevance at all to whether Columbus is a worthy human being or not. Your position is akin to a blind person demanding for proof that the sky is blue. The ostrich defense is never a good look.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 08/31/17 7:30:02 AM #175:	EyeWontBeFooled posted... Good, Columbus was a moron, and a ruthless killer. Seriously, this. What other argument is there? <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:885769056] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>EyeWontBeFooled posted...</cite> <quote>Good, Columbus was a moron, and a ruthless killer.</quote> Seriously, this. What other argument is there?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RickyTheBAWSE 08/31/17 7:38:15 AM #176:	Dash_Harber posted... EyeWontBeFooled posted... Good, Columbus was a moron, and a ruthless killer. Seriously, this. What other argument is there? "I don't like change" "how about we get rid of MLK day?" "I don't have major problems in my life that I'd like to focus on, so I'm going out of my way to find something to be offended about." --- Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to your story! BAWSE! <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted [p:885769278] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EyeWontBeFooled posted...</cite> <quote> Good, Columbus was a moron, and a ruthless killer.</quote> Seriously, this. What other argument is there?</quote> "I don't like change" "how about we get rid of MLK day?" "I don't have major problems in my life that I'd like to focus on, so I'm going out of my way to find something to be offended about."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 08/31/17 8:15:29 AM #177:	RickyTheBAWSE posted... Dash_Harber posted... EyeWontBeFooled posted... Good, Columbus was a moron, and a ruthless killer. Seriously, this. What other argument is there? "I don't like change" "how about we get rid of MLK day?" "I don't have major problems in my life that I'd like to focus on, so I'm going out of my way to find something to be offended about." I'm sorry, I should have said 'good argument'. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:885770235] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EyeWontBeFooled posted...</cite> <quote> Good, Columbus was a moron, and a ruthless killer.</quote> Seriously, this. What other argument is there?</quote> "I don't like change" "how about we get rid of MLK day?" "I don't have major problems in my life that I'd like to focus on, so I'm going out of my way to find something to be offended about."</quote> I'm sorry, I should have said 'good argument'.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 08/31/17 8:34:49 AM #178:	Dash_Harber posted... EyeWontBeFooled posted... Good, Columbus was a moron, and a ruthless killer. Seriously, this. What other argument is there? The argument is that Columbus, despite being terrible, is still the person responsible for the initial contact made between Europe and the New World, which ultimately led to the founding of the United States. Some people are quick to mention the Vikings, but they didn't establish any lasting colonies and the rest of Europe did not migrate to the New World because of the discovery either. Again, Columbus was terrible due to slavery, rape and so on, but trying to minimize or even outright disregard his impact on the history of European expansion into the Americas is silly. (Keep in mind that I'm not saying he should continue to be honored with a holiday, and this is more just a rebuttal of people who basically say he didn't do anything important.) --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:885770814] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EyeWontBeFooled posted...</cite> <quote>Good, Columbus was a moron, and a ruthless killer.</quote> Seriously, this. What other argument is there?</quote> The argument is that Columbus, despite being terrible, is still the person responsible for the initial contact made between Europe and the New World, which ultimately led to the founding of the United States. Some people are quick to mention the Vikings, but they didn't establish any lasting colonies and the rest of Europe did not migrate to the New World because of the discovery either. Again, Columbus was terrible due to slavery, rape and so on, but trying to minimize or even outright disregard his impact on the history of European expansion into the Americas is silly. (Keep in mind that I'm not saying he should continue to be honored with a holiday, and this is more just a rebuttal of people who basically say he didn't do anything important.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Skye Reynolds 08/31/17 8:43:14 AM #180:	Columbus was known for his cruelty by his peers and his own diary documents his abuse of slaves. This isn't a case of every white guy in history being evil. This is a case of Columbus being a legitimately bad person. It's only retroactively that he was made out to be a noble and heroic figure on account of his discovery. What he accomplished is immeasurable, but that does not make him a man of character or a person worth celebrating. <cite>Skye Reynolds posted [p:885771092] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>Columbus was known for his cruelty by his peers and his own diary documents his abuse of slaves. This isn't a case of every white guy in history being evil. This is a case of Columbus being a legitimately bad person. It's only retroactively that he was made out to be a noble and heroic figure on account of his discovery. What he accomplished is immeasurable, but that does not make him a man of character or a person worth celebrating.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 08/31/17 8:46:48 AM #181:	I'm all for this move. --- The poster formerly known as Kakarot181: July 2, 2002 - March 14, 2012. Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:885771217] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>I'm all for this move.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaWarrior455 08/31/17 8:53:04 AM #182:	Christ this topic became something. --- Fire Billy Davis http://myanimelist.net/animelist/NinjaWarrior457 <cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted [p:885771416] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>Christ this topic became something.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 08/31/17 9:22:57 AM #183:	He was an idiot and needlessly cruel. Also i find it infuriating that one of the things they emphasized when they taught us about him was the names of his ships Like, who actually fucking cares what they were called? They're boats. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:885772415] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>He was an idiot and needlessly cruel. Also i find it infuriating that one of the things they emphasized when they taught us about him was the names of his ships Like, who actually fucking cares what they were called? They're boats.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LastTomorrow 08/31/17 9:44:31 AM #184:	As far as I know Columbus sailed on 3 ships and discovered America. What else did he do? --- Waffle waffle waffle <cite>LastTomorrow posted [p:885773183] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>As far as I know Columbus sailed on 3 ships and discovered America. What else did he do?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LastTomorrow 08/31/17 9:48:09 AM #185:	Nina, pinta and Santa maria...i think --- Waffle waffle waffle <cite>LastTomorrow posted [p:885773304] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>Nina, pinta and Santa maria...i think</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MangaFan462 08/31/17 11:09:12 AM #186:	What have indigenous people done for us? I know they helped out a lot in WW2 as wind talkers which was pretty nice --- Posted using GameFlux https://i.imgur.com/Il34cSX.jpg / https://i.redd.it/zwfbqetu2b8y.jpg <cite>MangaFan462 posted [p:885776780] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>What have indigenous people done for us? I know they helped out a lot in WW2 as wind talkers which was pretty nice</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
--kresnik-- 08/31/17 11:10:16 AM #187:	I vote to replace LA with a new city. --- "I don't get mad. I am better than you. All members of antifa are better humans than you." - YourAlt <cite>--kresnik-- posted [p:885776823] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>I vote to replace LA with a new city.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 08/31/17 11:16:11 AM #188:	MangaFan462 posted... What have indigenous people done for us? I know they helped out a lot in WW2 as wind talkers which was pretty nice Well for one they're a large part of the reason the pilgrims even survived... --- http://i.imgur.com/bbRWLI8.gif https://i.imgur.com/A0BErSV.jpg <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:885777108] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>MangaFan462 posted...</cite> <quote>What have indigenous people done for us? I know they helped out a lot in WW2 as wind talkers which was pretty nice</quote> Well for one they're a large part of the reason the pilgrims even survived...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/31/17 11:18:37 AM #189:	MangaFan462 posted... What have indigenous people done for us? Cheap cigarettes. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:885777243] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>MangaFan462 posted...</cite> <quote>What have indigenous people done for us?</quote> Cheap cigarettes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 08/31/17 11:23:19 AM #190:	Is Adam Ruins Everything teaching people more about Columbus than schools ever did? --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:885777476] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>Is Adam Ruins Everything teaching people more about Columbus than schools ever did?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/31/17 11:28:27 AM #191:	LightHawKnight posted... Is Adam Ruins Everything teaching people more about Columbus than schools ever did? Does any curriculum even mention Columbus past the second grade or so? Make little construction-paper boats in the fall, and that's about it. I'd venture the guess that most adults don't remember Columbus Day exists, until suddenly realizing why the banks are closed and there's no mail today, or some whiny activist screams about it. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:885777730] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>Is Adam Ruins Everything teaching people more about Columbus than schools ever did?</quote> Does any curriculum even mention Columbus past the second grade or so? Make little construction-paper boats in the fall, and that's about it. I'd venture the guess that most adults don't remember Columbus Day exists, until suddenly realizing why the banks are closed and there's no mail today, or some whiny activist screams about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 08/31/17 11:31:46 AM #192:	good. what happened to the natives is one of the biggest crimes in history. they deserve a day more than columbus --- Hey what's going on in this thread http://i.imgur.com/6fpKRW8.gif http://i.imgur.com/RNZi0gk.gif <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:885777897] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>good. what happened to the natives is one of the biggest crimes in history. they deserve a day more than columbus</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 08/31/17 11:31:54 AM #193:	Just because Columbus did a thing in history doesn't mean he should receive a national holiday if he was a piece of shit. People are once again confusing chronicling history with honoring and respecting everyone who contributed to it. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:885777906] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>Just because Columbus did a thing in history doesn't mean he should receive a national holiday if he was a piece of shit. People are once again confusing chronicling history with honoring and respecting everyone who contributed to it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 08/31/17 11:37:00 AM #194:	L.A does something right. --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:885778137] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>L.A does something right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HannibalBarca3 08/31/17 11:44:46 AM #195:	ZMythos posted... He was an idiot and needlessly cruel. Also i find it infuriating that one of the things they emphasized when they taught us about him was the names of his ships Like, who actually fucking cares what they were called? They're boats. He wasn't an idiot. For example he used a navigation method called dead reckoning to navigate unexplored waters combined with the strong Atlantic winds and it's not a very easy journey. IIRC he was also a good mathematician. An idiot he was not. As for his cruelty, I believe he was a product of his time. Some of the punishments he dealt to the natives weren't far off with how European treated indentured servants and of course the enslavement of the natives wasn't unprecedented, the Spaniards did that to the native of the Canary Islands. I very much believe he was a product of his era. It's good to also bring out the negative actions done by said person but at the same time it can't be stressed the impact he had on history since it brought the new world and the old world together, for better or worse. Whatever some Vikings did centuries ago didn't matter because their discovery didn't lead to anything aside from some few desolate colonies. History is not black and white. --- Aut viam inveniam aut faciam. Will not change sig until the Tsar is put back in the Russian throne (July 08, 2010) <cite>HannibalBarca3 posted [p:885778491] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZMythos posted...</cite> <quote>He was an idiot and needlessly cruel. Also i find it infuriating that one of the things they emphasized when they taught us about him was the names of his ships Like, who actually fucking cares what they were called? They're boats.</quote> He wasn't an idiot. For example he used a navigation method called dead reckoning to navigate unexplored waters combined with the strong Atlantic winds and it's not a very easy journey. IIRC he was also a good mathematician. An idiot he was not. As for his cruelty, I believe he was a product of his time. Some of the punishments he dealt to the natives weren't far off with how European treated indentured servants and of course the enslavement of the natives wasn't unprecedented, the Spaniards did that to the native of the Canary Islands. I very much believe he was a product of his era. It's good to also bring out the negative actions done by said person but at the same time it can't be stressed the impact he had on history since it brought the new world and the old world together, for better or worse. Whatever some Vikings did centuries ago didn't matter because their discovery didn't lead to anything aside from some few desolate colonies. History is not black and white.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShadowElite86 08/31/17 11:50:44 AM #196:	Nomadic View posted... Ex-Kefiroth posted... Columbus Day ought to be scrapped as a national holiday altogether and we should have Election Day elevated to holiday status to replace it. I actually don't mind that. Election Day is much more significant and there is a greater need for people to be off work that day. This.....but then again I don't even get Columbus Day off where I work. I would still be for Election Day over Columbus Day regardless. --- GT: ShadowElite86 FFBE: 411,656,473 <cite>ShadowElite86 posted [p:885778788] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ex-Kefiroth posted...</cite> <quote>Columbus Day ought to be scrapped as a national holiday altogether and we should have Election Day elevated to holiday status to replace it.</quote> I actually don't mind that. Election Day is much more significant and there is a greater need for people to be off work that day.</quote> This.....but then again I don't even get Columbus Day off where I work. I would still be for Election Day over Columbus Day regardless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 08/31/17 2:37:01 PM #197:	HannibalBarca3 posted... As for his cruelty, I believe he was a product of his time. How many times must "his own time period considered him cruel" be repeated? --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:885787845] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>HannibalBarca3 posted...</cite> <quote>As for his cruelty, I believe he was a product of his time. </quote> How many times must "his own time period considered him cruel" be repeated?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 08/31/17 11:39:32 PM #198:	Lorenzo_2003 posted... The argument is that Columbus, despite being terrible, is still the person responsible for the initial contact made between Europe and the New World, which ultimately led to the founding of the United States. Some people are quick to mention the Vikings, but they didn't establish any lasting colonies and the rest of Europe did not migrate to the New World because of the discovery either. Again, Columbus was terrible due to slavery, rape and so on, but trying to minimize or even outright disregard his impact on the history of European expansion into the Americas is silly. Fair enough. I'm not saying he did nothing. I'm pointing out that he was not very good at exploring (he had no clue where he was), he crimes far outweigh his contributions, and that the task could have just as easily been accomplished by anyone else at the time. Not only that, but it's not like he personally rowed a single boat across the Atlantic, he had a crew and three ships given to him. I think the mention of the Vikings is just to point out how people were aware of other landmasses and his 'discovery' was more a charting journey. Not only that, but you know, there were a ton of inhabitants already here. Like, no one remembers the guy that discovered the middle east for Europe, because, you know, there were already tons of people there. It's just, what is he known for? Discovering America and leading the way to colonization. The first isn't true and even if you argue it is, he still did it by blundering his way through and with a crew of experienced people doing literally all the work. The latter is only true in the sense that he took someone else's money and funded a pleasure cruise and then wiped out most of the Taino people and other indigenous groups so there would be room for the European settlers. Now, I get that he was the first, but at this point it's sort of like being the first to take your parent's minivan for a joyride and accidentally crash the car into a pot of gold. Why commemorate that? That's not to mention that the holiday is pretty much a big middle finger to the descendants of the people he narrowly committed genocide against. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:885816960] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted...</cite> <quote>The argument is that Columbus, despite being terrible, is still the person responsible for the initial contact made between Europe and the New World, which ultimately led to the founding of the United States. Some people are quick to mention the Vikings, but they didn't establish any lasting colonies and the rest of Europe did not migrate to the New World because of the discovery either. Again, Columbus was terrible due to slavery, rape and so on, but trying to minimize or even outright disregard his impact on the history of European expansion into the Americas is silly. </quote> Fair enough. I'm not saying he did nothing. I'm pointing out that he was not very good at exploring (he had no clue where he was), he crimes far outweigh his contributions, and that the task could have just as easily been accomplished by anyone else at the time. Not only that, but it's not like he personally rowed a single boat across the Atlantic, he had a crew and three ships given to him. I think the mention of the Vikings is just to point out how people were aware of other landmasses and his 'discovery' was more a charting journey. Not only that, but you know, there were a ton of inhabitants already here. Like, no one remembers the guy that discovered the middle east for Europe, because, you know, there were already tons of people there. It's just, what is he known for? Discovering America and leading the way to colonization. The first isn't true and even if you argue it is, he still did it by blundering his way through and with a crew of experienced people doing literally all the work. The latter is only true in the sense that he took someone else's money and funded a pleasure cruise and then wiped out most of the Taino people and other indigenous groups so there would be room for the European settlers. Now, I get that he was the first, but at this point it's sort of like being the first to take your parent's minivan for a joyride and accidentally crash the car into a pot of gold. Why commemorate that? That's not to mention that the holiday is pretty much a big middle finger to the descendants of the people he narrowly committed genocide against.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 09/01/17 12:59:51 AM #199:	Dash_Harber posted... Fair enough. I'm not saying he did nothing. I'm pointing out that he was not very good at exploring (he had no clue where he was), he crimes far outweigh his contributions, and that the task could have just as easily been accomplished by anyone else at the time. Not only that, but it's not like he personally rowed a single boat across the Atlantic, he had a crew and three ships given to him. I think the mention of the Vikings is just to point out how people were aware of other landmasses and his 'discovery' was more a charting journey. Not only that, but you know, there were a ton of inhabitants already here. Like, no one remembers the guy that discovered the middle east for Europe, because, you know, there were already tons of people there. It's just, what is he known for? Discovering America and leading the way to colonization. The first isn't true and even if you argue it is, he still did it by blundering his way through and with a crew of experienced people doing literally all the work. The latter is only true in the sense that he took someone else's money and funded a pleasure cruise and then wiped out most of the Taino people and other indigenous groups so there would be room for the European settlers. Now, I get that he was the first, but at this point it's sort of like being the first to take your parent's minivan for a joyride and accidentally crash the car into a pot of gold. Why commemorate that? That's not to mention that the holiday is pretty much a big middle finger to the descendants of the people he narrowly committed genocide against. Yeah, I don't disagree with what you said. Columbus is definitely a very controversial figure and I can totally see why some people (maybe most?) will never be comfortable celebrating him. I don't know... I try to remember that a lot of people, both in the past and presently, have horrible character flaws, but I still give credit where it's due, even if doing so is inconvenient and unpleasant. Anyway, thanks for keeping it civil. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:885820555] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote> Fair enough. I'm not saying he did nothing. I'm pointing out that he was not very good at exploring (he had no clue where he was), he crimes far outweigh his contributions, and that the task could have just as easily been accomplished by anyone else at the time. Not only that, but it's not like he personally rowed a single boat across the Atlantic, he had a crew and three ships given to him. I think the mention of the Vikings is just to point out how people were aware of other landmasses and his 'discovery' was more a charting journey. Not only that, but you know, there were a ton of inhabitants already here. Like, no one remembers the guy that discovered the middle east for Europe, because, you know, there were already tons of people there. It's just, what is he known for? Discovering America and leading the way to colonization. The first isn't true and even if you argue it is, he still did it by blundering his way through and with a crew of experienced people doing literally all the work. The latter is only true in the sense that he took someone else's money and funded a pleasure cruise and then wiped out most of the Taino people and other indigenous groups so there would be room for the European settlers. Now, I get that he was the first, but at this point it's sort of like being the first to take your parent's minivan for a joyride and accidentally crash the car into a pot of gold. Why commemorate that? That's not to mention that the holiday is pretty much a big middle finger to the descendants of the people he narrowly committed genocide against.</quote> Yeah, I don't disagree with what you said. Columbus is definitely a very controversial figure and I can totally see why some people (maybe most?) will never be comfortable celebrating him. I don't know... I try to remember that a lot of people, both in the past and presently, have horrible character flaws, but I still give credit where it's due, even if doing so is inconvenient and unpleasant. Anyway, thanks for keeping it civil.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 09/01/17 6:28:31 AM #200:	Lorenzo_2003 posted... Yeah, I don't disagree with what you said. Columbus is definitely a very controversial figure and I can totally see why some people (maybe most?) will never be comfortable celebrating him. I don't know... I try to remember that a lot of people, both in the past and presently, have horrible character flaws, but I still give credit where it's due, even if doing so is inconvenient and unpleasant. Anyway, thanks for keeping it civil. Yeah, I totally get where you are coming from. For me, I accept people have character flaws. However, there is a difference between giving credit and giving someone a day long, country wide celebration. But yeah, I appreciate our civil discussion as well. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:885828821] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted...</cite> <quote> Yeah, I don't disagree with what you said. Columbus is definitely a very controversial figure and I can totally see why some people (maybe most?) will never be comfortable celebrating him. I don't know... I try to remember that a lot of people, both in the past and presently, have horrible character flaws, but I still give credit where it's due, even if doing so is inconvenient and unpleasant. Anyway, thanks for keeping it civil.</quote> Yeah, I totally get where you are coming from. For me, I accept people have character flaws. However, there is a difference between giving credit and giving someone a day long, country wide celebration. But yeah, I appreciate our civil discussion as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 09/01/17 6:32:15 AM #201:	muh confederate statues muh columbus day --- Sig User Logic http://i.imgur.com/lA5fm7w.jpg <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:885828903] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>muh confederate statues muh columbus day</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scorpion41 09/01/17 6:35:14 AM #202:	lol California...what a joke. --- PSN: scorpion_4160 Currently Playing: NCAA 14, Darksiders series(PS3) <cite>scorpion41 posted [p:885828964] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>lol California...what a joke.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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