Current Events > Fordham U students 'brought to tears' after seeing video about rape culture myth

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s0nicfan posted...

Is there any sort of consensus on what happens if both people are drunk?

Yes, the man is the rapist by default.
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gamepimp12 posted...

Ehhh that vague but let's not act like that isn't sexual assault in some cases.

sure but its not rape. rape is a specific type of sexual assault. all rape is sexual assault, but not all sexual assault is rape

Darmik posted...

- Defend guys who secretly removed condoms during sex without the girls knowledge

Wasn't that what Lena Dunham claimed happened to her, but then a little digging proved she made the entire thing up?
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Zikten posted...

gamepimp12 posted...

Ehhh that vague but let's not act like that isn't sexual assault in some cases.

sure but its not rape. rape is a specific type of sexual assault. all rape is sexual assault, but not all sexual assault is rape

I agree rape is typically being used as a catch all term.

Not to say that it should be but rape culture doesn't mean that Americans rape a lot

But the shitty way Americans threat female sexuality.
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Darmik posted...

- Defend guys who secretly removed condoms during sex without the girls knowledge

Wasn't that what Lena Dunham claimed happened to her, but then a little digging proved she made the entire thing up?

Yeah, she got busted for making that up.

Also, Darmik has notoriously poor/selective reading comprehension, so it's no surprise he's misstating both of those points. I never "defended" the guy who removed the condom during consensual sex, I just said it wasn't rape.
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The Admiral posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

Sexypwnstar posted...

"No one gives a shit" meanwhile this topic has 60+ posts

a lot of those posts are just making fun of TC.

You mean a lot of them are clowns like yourself who constantly get humiliated in other topics and think behaving like this somehow makes you feel less emasculated. Your insults would be one thing if you ever made intelligent posts and didn't get pummeled more often than Mayweather's speed bags when you tried to argue.

You always post this insult lmao

It's especially funny cause you abandon your own arguments after getting roasted and get warned and suspended every other week for shitposting.
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apocalyptic_4 posted...

You always post this insult lmao

It's especially funny cause you abandon your own arguments after getting roasted and get warned and suspended every other week for shitposting.

You're the guy who has to constantly make up things about me because real life doesn't fit your narrative. So long as this is how you behave, you shouldn't be crying about claims that you're frequently humiliating yourself. You are.
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The Admiral posted...

Also, Darmik has notoriously poor/selective reading comprehension, so it's no surprise he's misstating both of those points. I never "defended" the guy who removed the condom during consensual sex, I just said it wasn't rape.

Great. You never defended the guy. You just think doing something a partner doesn't consent to isn't rape.
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gamepimp12 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

How deluded must you be to believe 1 in 5 women are raped at universities? That would make American campuses worse than most African countries

Also I love how their defense against statistical information is "it made girls cry!!"

Best I can find is 1 in 6 women overall are victims of sexual assault in America. And let's remember that those kinds of crimes are grossly underreported.

How is "sexual assault" defined in your findings?

The study in question that says "1 in 5" literally says willingly making out with a guy after a few drinks makes you the victim of rape.

Ehhh that vague but let's not act like that isn't sexual assault in some cases.

I have plenty female friends who grabbed drinks with a non sexual male friend only to find him trying get in her pants when she's 5-6 drinks in

So, you're arguing that willing sexual contact is sexual assault, just by the mere presence of alcohol?

If so, how come men ingesting alcohol aren't the victims of sexual assault by the women they're with?
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You can tell ITT which loser users would wear a 'The Future is Female' shirt, LOL
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hockeybub89 posted...

The Admiral posted...

Also, Darmik has notoriously poor/selective reading comprehension, so it's no surprise he's misstating both of those points. I never "defended" the guy who removed the condom during consensual sex, I just said it wasn't rape.

Great. You never defended the guy. You just think doing something a partner doesn't consent to isn't rape.

I didn't consent to my wife filing for divorce - did she rape me?
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darkjedilink posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

The Admiral posted...

Also, Darmik has notoriously poor/selective reading comprehension, so it's no surprise he's misstating both of those points. I never "defended" the guy who removed the condom during consensual sex, I just said it wasn't rape.

Great. You never defended the guy. You just think doing something a partner doesn't consent to isn't rape.

I didn't consent to my wife filing for divorce - did she rape me?

Did you sign the papers?
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darkjedilink posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

The Admiral posted...

Also, Darmik has notoriously poor/selective reading comprehension, so it's no surprise he's misstating both of those points. I never "defended" the guy who removed the condom during consensual sex, I just said it wasn't rape.

Great. You never defended the guy. You just think doing something a partner doesn't consent to isn't rape.

I didn't consent to my wife filing for divorce - did she rape me?

Did you have the receipt?
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darkjedilink posted...

I didn't consent to my wife filing for divorce - did she rape me?

Anyone can file for divorce. Just make sure it's a No Fault divorce, otherwise you'll really get raped.
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The Admiral posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Is there any sort of consensus on what happens if both people are drunk?

Yes, the man is the rapist by default.

Pretty soon it will get to the point where simply having sex in a room with open alcohol containers is a crime (like driving with open containers).
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So a bunch of college snowflakes cried when presented with info they didn't like, and a bunch of CE snowflakes attacked the messenger.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

The Admiral posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Is there any sort of consensus on what happens if both people are drunk?

Yes, the man is the rapist by default.

Pretty soon it will get to the point where simply having sex in a room with open alcohol containers is a crime (like driving with open containers).

That's what the "1 in 5!," "77 cents on the dollar!!!" crowd wants.
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Darmik posted...

- Defend guys who secretly removed condoms during sex without the girls knowledge

Wasn't that what Lena Dunham claimed happened to her, but then a little digging proved she made the entire thing up?

www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/wife-discovered-her-husband-was-raping-her-in-her-sleep-after-finding-videos-saved-on-his-phone/news-story/d0481d12864f9a7e479bd720f73f1823

This was the story
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There's a rape culture? Women can turn men's lives upside down with accusations of rape or harassment. If 2 drunk people hook up the girl has the power to wreck they guy's life and reputation. Rape is seen as one of the worst crimes one can commit and rapists get abused in jail.

What more do feminists want? Guilty until proven innocent in the court of law? They already have that in the kangaroo court of public opinion.
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The Admiral posted...

Also, Darmik has notoriously poor/selective reading comprehension, so it's no surprise he's misstating both of those points. I never "defended" the guy who removed the condom during consensual sex, I just said it wasn't rape.

In both cases you were extremely dismissive of the issue and how much of a violation they were. Especially from the perspective of the victims.

If you disagree feel free to restate your views on both of those stories.
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Darmik posted...

In both cases you were extremely dismissive of the issue and how much of a violation they were.

Is this really the hill you want to die on

You already admitted he's right, but you're still whining because he was too dismissive?
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Darmik posted...

In both cases you were extremely dismissive of the issue and how much of a violation they were.

Is this really the hill you want to die on

You already admitted he's right, but you're still whining because he was too dismissive?

I never admitted he was right about either case dude. My original post still applies.
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Darmik posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Darmik posted...

In both cases you were extremely dismissive of the issue and how much of a violation they were.

Is this really the hill you want to die on

You already admitted he's right, but you're still whining because he was too dismissive?

I never admitted he was right about either case dude. My original post still applies.

No one cares whether you think someone was "too dismissive" or not. Either say what you think he's wrong about or stop wasting your time.
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

No one cares whether you think someone was "too dismissive" or not. Either say what you think he's wrong about or stop wasting your time.

I already did;
Darmik posted...

In the past I've seen you;
- Defend guys who secretly removed condoms during sex without the girls knowledge
- Said it was suspicious when a man was prosecuted for raping his unconscious wife several times and recorded it

No offense but I can't take anything you say about rape culture seriously.

If someone comes into a topic about men removing condoms without consent to say "well they're not rapists" I consider that a form of defense because he's dismissing how much of an issue that is. This opinion combined with his remarks about the husband raping his wife means that I consider his opinions about this sorta stuff messed up. Not sure what's so hard to understand about that.
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darkjedilink posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

The Admiral posted...

Also, Darmik has notoriously poor/selective reading comprehension, so it's no surprise he's misstating both of those points. I never "defended" the guy who removed the condom during consensual sex, I just said it wasn't rape.

Great. You never defended the guy. You just think doing something a partner doesn't consent to isn't rape.

I didn't consent to my wife filing for divorce - did she rape me?

Is divorce a sexual act? I didn't think I had to be that specific.
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darkjedilink posted...

gamepimp12 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

How deluded must you be to believe 1 in 5 women are raped at universities? That would make American campuses worse than most African countries

Also I love how their defense against statistical information is "it made girls cry!!"

Best I can find is 1 in 6 women overall are victims of sexual assault in America. And let's remember that those kinds of crimes are grossly underreported.

How is "sexual assault" defined in your findings?

The study in question that says "1 in 5" literally says willingly making out with a guy after a few drinks makes you the victim of rape.

Ehhh that vague but let's not act like that isn't sexual assault in some cases.

I have plenty female friends who grabbed drinks with a non sexual male friend only to find him trying get in her pants when she's 5-6 drinks in

So, you're arguing that willing sexual contact is sexual assault, just by the mere presence of alcohol?

If so, how come men ingesting alcohol aren't the victims of sexual assault by the women they're with?

I never said any of that like the first thing I said was in some cases

But if consent is a contract and engaging in contracts while drunk are easily voided or w/e

Then Consent while drunk is a legal gray area you have to attack case by case.

But what i did say getting a woman (or man) who wouldn't sleep with sober drunk just so you can sleep with them is sexual assault and we all know of men(or women) who do that to get by sexually.
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The Admiral posted...

All the video basically does it say how the 1-in-5 rape stat is horseshit and that there is no such thing as a rape culture in the U.S.

TIL... nothing, actually. I didn't learn anything from this topic. I feel sorry for anyone who did, because that means this topic has provided them with information that they were somehow tragically not already fully aware of :/
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

"Rape Culture" is just more feminist garbage to make men look like monsters. Some idiot men are falling for it and women willing allowing themselves to be brainwashed.

We live in a victim society, where some women are babies in some situations (Over 21, but completely helpless when drinking alcohol and make terrible decisions when slightly impaired, but somehow they are strong, and deserve equal pay despite being mediocre at their job). It's so ridiculous that we need laws to protect these helpless women because they're awful at making decisions when they come in contact with alcohol.

I mean, I thought there are no gender differences...so clearly these laws are perpetrating gender stereotypes that women are terrible at decision making when they get a whiff of alcohol. Regret does not equal rape. If you make a bad decision, you're going to have to live with it, not blame others. But then again, we're talking about liberals, where personality responsibility is something foreign to them.

This. Sorry but getting drunk and making out with another drunk stranger is not "rape".

I don't even know what the word "rape" means anymore since feminists cry wolf so much and tell so many lies.
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Darmik posted...

If someone comes into a topic about men removing condoms without consent to say "well they're not rapists" I consider that a form of defense because he's dismissing how much of an issue that is. This opinion combined with his remarks about the husband raping his wife means that I consider his opinions about this sorta stuff messed up. Not sure what's so hard to understand about that.

If you agree its not rape whats tge problem

Looks like youre just searching for a reason to argue.
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

If you agree its not rape whats tge problem

Where did I say that? I think it is indeed a form of rape and sexual assault.
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I believe the problem is that we've reached a point where the argument has become "should we call this rape or not" instead of "is there an issue that should be discussed?"
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Well he's right that sexual violence isn't the cultural norm.
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bump for more outrage
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The vast majority of leftists in this topic (if not all) aren't denouncing the 1 in 5 statistic and they also aren't trying to back it up, either. Instead they're just hurling insults at Admiral and others, likely because they do not like the negative exposure their ilk constantly create. And get annoyed when it's pointed out. The crying, the safe spaces, the victim culture, the violent and destructive Antifa, etc.

They're mostly staying silent and complicit because they can't defend it. At the same time--- the crying, the safe spaces, the victim culture, pink ***** hats and the violent, destructive Antifa oppose our President. So they must stand in solidarity.
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gamepimp12 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

gamepimp12 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

How deluded must you be to believe 1 in 5 women are raped at universities? That would make American campuses worse than most African countries

Also I love how their defense against statistical information is "it made girls cry!!"

Best I can find is 1 in 6 women overall are victims of sexual assault in America. And let's remember that those kinds of crimes are grossly underreported.

How is "sexual assault" defined in your findings?

The study in question that says "1 in 5" literally says willingly making out with a guy after a few drinks makes you the victim of rape.

Ehhh that vague but let's not act like that isn't sexual assault in some cases.

I have plenty female friends who grabbed drinks with a non sexual male friend only to find him trying get in her pants when she's 5-6 drinks in

So, you're arguing that willing sexual contact is sexual assault, just by the mere presence of alcohol?

If so, how come men ingesting alcohol aren't the victims of sexual assault by the women they're with?

I never said any of that like the first thing I said was in some cases

But if consent is a contract and engaging in contracts while drunk are easily voided or w/e

Then Consent while drunk is a legal gray area you have to attack case by case.

But what i did say getting a woman (or man) who wouldn't sleep with sober drunk just so you can sleep with them is sexual assault and we all know of men(or women) who do that to get by sexually.

Except, in the matter of '1 in 5,' you literally have to accept the idea that WILLINGLY making out with a woman who's had two drinks is literally raping them.

You literally said this was legitimately a form of sexual assault.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

I believe the problem is that we've reached a point where the argument has become "should we call this rape or not" instead of "is there an issue that should be discussed?"

Because the only way to argue that it's a problem apparently is to redefine rape to include literally just kissing a woman who wants to kiss you after a couple of drinks.
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darkjedilink posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

I believe the problem is that we've reached a point where the argument has become "should we call this rape or not" instead of "is there an issue that should be discussed?"

Because the only way to argue that it's a problem apparently is to redefine rape to include literally just kissing a woman who wants to kiss you after a couple of drinks.

I'm not defending the use of the word rape to describe all of these scenarios or to bolster statistics. I'm more than willing to throw the blame for the current situation to all who deserve it.

I'm saying that the problem is the present result that we're more caught up in "what should and should not constitute rape" than we are in whether or not there is some legitimate issue that people (at least those in the relevant locations, such as college) need to be made aware of.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

I believe the problem is that we've reached a point where the argument has become "should we call this rape or not" instead of "is there an issue that should be discussed?"

Because the only way to argue that it's a problem apparently is to redefine rape to include literally just kissing a woman who wants to kiss you after a couple of drinks.

I'm not defending the use of the word rape to describe all of these scenarios or to bolster statistics. I'm more than willing to throw the blame for the current situation to all who deserve it.

I'm saying that the problem is the present result that we're more caught up in "what should and should not constitute rape" than we are in whether or not there is some legitimate issue that people (at least those in the relevant locations, such as college) need to be made aware of.

I know. This is because people want to push an agenda.
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darkjedilink posted...

gamepimp12 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

gamepimp12 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

How deluded must you be to believe 1 in 5 women are raped at universities? That would make American campuses worse than most African countries

Also I love how their defense against statistical information is "it made girls cry!!"

Best I can find is 1 in 6 women overall are victims of sexual assault in America. And let's remember that those kinds of crimes are grossly underreported.

How is "sexual assault" defined in your findings?

The study in question that says "1 in 5" literally says willingly making out with a guy after a few drinks makes you the victim of rape.

Ehhh that vague but let's not act like that isn't sexual assault in some cases.

I have plenty female friends who grabbed drinks with a non sexual male friend only to find him trying get in her pants when she's 5-6 drinks in

So, you're arguing that willing sexual contact is sexual assault, just by the mere presence of alcohol?

If so, how come men ingesting alcohol aren't the victims of sexual assault by the women they're with?

I never said any of that like the first thing I said was in some cases

But if consent is a contract and engaging in contracts while drunk are easily voided or w/e

Then Consent while drunk is a legal gray area you have to attack case by case.

But what i did say getting a woman (or man) who wouldn't sleep with sober drunk just so you can sleep with them is sexual assault and we all know of men(or women) who do that to get by sexually.

Except, in the matter of '1 in 5,' you literally have to accept the idea that WILLINGLY making out with a woman who's had two drinks is literally raping them.

You literally said this was legitimately a form of sexual assault.

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You would think me saying it's vague and a legal case by case (like 4 times now) would imply that while it is all sexual assault by the strictest of legal standards, it's not by social standards.

If me and a girl go out on a date and she's the DD and I end up shitfaced only to wake up the next morning in bed with her.

Yeah I wanted to have sex with her but I couldn't consent so it's technically date rape

But that doesn't become an issue unless I press the charges

It's why date rape is so drastically under reported
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Kazi1212 posted...

Rape culture is a bad term. But inappropriate sexual behavior towards women being relatively a cultural norm does seem more plausible. This is ranging anywhere from sexaual assault to rape and even to basic molestation like copping a feel. It's easy to dismiss rape as an epidemic as it's made out to be, but it's not easy to rule out negative sexual behavior towards women is a serious issue. For instance, ask any women if some guy ever copped a feel on them, I wouldn't be surprised if it was 99%

That's called life. Every country has this same culture. There's no way to socially engineer your way out of the fact that creeps and overly forward men have always existed and will always exist.
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Kazi1212 posted...

Rape culture is a bad term. But inappropriate sexual behavior towards women being relatively a cultural norm does seem more plausible. This is ranging anywhere from sexaual assault to rape and even to basic molestation like copping a feel. It's easy to dismiss rape as an epidemic as it's made out to be, but it's not easy to rule out negative sexual behavior towards women is a serious issue. For instance, ask any women if some guy ever copped a feel on them, I wouldn't be surprised if it was 99%

For instance, ask any women if some guy ever copped a feel on them when his touch was unwanted, I wouldn't be surprised if it was 99%

Gotta be careful how you word those questions; it's the exact reason most of the sexual assault phone surveys are worthless. For accuracy to maintained, the awkward questions MUST be asked. Clearly. So far, those surveys have not done that and it errs the results...
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Capn Circus posted...

The vast majority of leftists in this topic (if not all) aren't denouncing the 1 in 5 statistic and they also aren't trying to back it up, either. Instead they're just hurling insults at Admiral and others, likely because they do not like the negative exposure their ilk constantly create. And get annoyed when it's pointed out. The crying, the safe spaces, the victim culture, the violent and destructive Antifa, etc.

They're mostly staying silent and complicit because they can't defend it. At the same time--- the crying, the safe spaces, the victim culture, pink ***** hats and the violent, destructive Antifa oppose our President. So they must stand in solidarity.

I'm not. I've never believed that statistic and I agreed with admiral (I don't recall if it was 100% or less, but I do recall reading his post and agreeing even though I think my response had some sarcasm in it). People who buy into this "rape culture" bullshit aren't leftists. They are just general troublemakers.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

People who buy into this "rape culture" bulls*** aren't leftists.

You have a weird definition of "leftist" then.
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

People who buy into this "rape culture" bulls*** aren't leftists.

You have a weird definition of "leftist" then.

I actually don't have a definition. I just throw the word around.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Capn Circus posted...

The vast majority of leftists in this topic (if not all) aren't denouncing the 1 in 5 statistic and they also aren't trying to back it up, either. Instead they're just hurling insults at Admiral and others, likely because they do not like the negative exposure their ilk constantly create. And get annoyed when it's pointed out. The crying, the safe spaces, the victim culture, the violent and destructive Antifa, etc.

They're mostly staying silent and complicit because they can't defend it. At the same time--- the crying, the safe spaces, the victim culture, pink ***** hats and the violent, destructive Antifa oppose our President. So they must stand in solidarity.

I'm not. I've never believed that statistic and I agreed with admiral (I don't recall if it was 100% or less, but I do recall reading his post and agreeing even though I think my response had some sarcasm in it). People who buy into this "rape culture" bullshit aren't leftists. They are just general troublemakers.

So Hillary Clinton, President Obama, and Nancy Pelosi aren't Leftists?
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darkjedilink posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Capn Circus posted...

The vast majority of leftists in this topic (if not all) aren't denouncing the 1 in 5 statistic and they also aren't trying to back it up, either. Instead they're just hurling insults at Admiral and others, likely because they do not like the negative exposure their ilk constantly create. And get annoyed when it's pointed out. The crying, the safe spaces, the victim culture, the violent and destructive Antifa, etc.

They're mostly staying silent and complicit because they can't defend it. At the same time--- the crying, the safe spaces, the victim culture, pink ***** hats and the violent, destructive Antifa oppose our President. So they must stand in solidarity.

I'm not. I've never believed that statistic and I agreed with admiral (I don't recall if it was 100% or less, but I do recall reading his post and agreeing even though I think my response had some sarcasm in it). People who buy into this "rape culture" bullshit aren't leftists. They are just general troublemakers.

So Hillary Clinton, President Obama, and Nancy Pelosi aren't Leftists?

Obama doesn't genuinely buy into it. Hillary is a troublemaker as I said. Pelosi I don't know much about. Can't comment on her.
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