Current Events > I'm seeing the same excuses for the fight everywhere i go

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CE, Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, all the same excuses for why McGregor lost.

"He threw more punches"
"He lasted 10 rounds with the best boxer of our time so he must be good"
"Mayweather ducked and turned his back"
"Mayweather was a coward"
"Hammerfists would be allowed in a REAL fight"
"Lets see him take on McGregor in the octagon"


Christ. Anybody who thought McGregor had more than a snowball's chance in hell was just as foreign to boxing as he was
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Why was this even a thing people cared about? Like, seriously, when did this ever even sound like a good idea to anyone?
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It's funny because at like 6pm yesterday someone showed me a list of all these excuses. People are hilarious and are so easy to figure out.
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

It's funny because at like 6pm yesterday someone showed me a list of all these excuses. People are hilarious and are so easy to figure out.

You got a link to that picture? We could have played bingo lol
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McGregor did an admirable job, but yeah a lot of people who know little about the sport always talk a lot about it. McGregor's stamina, specifically, was a known problem for this fight because McGregor is not trained for a 12 round boxing match. McGregor landed a lot of punches, but they weren't great boxing punches--That is to say, even though McGregor has a lot of natural power, his technique is still unrefined compared to elite boxers, so when a shot like that early uppercut landed, it didn't have enough torque behind it to send Mayweather reeling. To be fair to McGregor, in an MMA match that is actually important, as throwing a punch in MMA has different concerns that mandate staying squared up and thus minimizing rotational commitment, for instance.

It was a good fight and I was satisfied though. McGregor went after Floyd much more aggressively than nearly any fighter in the last 5 years and he had some really exciting moments with Floyd cornered by his aggression. I think McGregor did some pathfinding on how to beat an elite defenisve specialist in the squared circle and it will be interesting to see if any boxers take this approach going forward.
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shockthemonkey posted...

I don't understand why anyone feels the need to make excuses for McGregor. He didn't embarrass himself and he got paid an insane amount.

Some people don't realize McGregor was the underdog for a very good reason and that he was performing way above expectation for the first 6 rounds of the match.

With that said, Mayweather turning his back on McGregor was a super bitch move and I'm glad the ref didn't immediately step in every time (Though at one point Mayweather was literally over the ropes with his back to McGregor and he stepped in when he shouldn't have. Nobody's perfect).
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BLAKUboy posted...

Why was this even a thing people cared about? Like, seriously, when did this ever even sound like a good idea to anyone?

White people like to live through McGregor. If he loses its like they lose
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

BLAKUboy posted...

Why was this even a thing people cared about? Like, seriously, when did this ever even sound like a good idea to anyone?

White people like to live through McGregor. If he loses its like they lose

Let's not being race into this. People also wanted Floyd to lose because he beat a woman
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

I don't understand why anyone feels the need to make excuses for McGregor. He didn't embarrass himself and he got paid an insane amount.

Some people don't realize McGregor was the underdog for a very good reason and that he was performing way above expectation for the first 6 rounds of the match.

With that said, Mayweather turning his back on McGregor was a super bitch move and I'm glad the ref didn't immediately step in every time (Though at one point Mayweather was literally over the ropes with his back to McGregor and he stepped in when he shouldn't have. Nobody's perfect).

McGregor should have had points taken away for the rabbit punches as well.
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No, macgregor does not have natural punching power
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ZMythos posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

It's funny because at like 6pm yesterday someone showed me a list of all these excuses. People are hilarious and are so easy to figure out.

You got a link to that picture? We could have played bingo lol

I wish I did, it was on my buddy's phone.
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

BLAKUboy posted...

Why was this even a thing people cared about? Like, seriously, when did this ever even sound like a good idea to anyone?

White people like to live through McGregor. If he loses its like they lose

Nah, it's just a natural story. McGregor was some no-name fighter from Ireland training out of a camp no one has heard of and took the UFC by storm with an aggresive brawling style and big mouth. He put on multiple exciting fights and dared to be great--I can count on my hand the number of MMA fighters who legitimately pursued and fought all-time great Boxers, and that's two--McGregor and Antonio Inoki (Though under... different circumstances).

It would be the same if Mayweather challenged McGregor in the Octagon and actually went through with it. That sounds insane because McGregor would undoubtedly win... Who would take a fight they're nearly guaranteed to lose?

McGregor. He dared to be great. Now, granted, he probably also made an obscene amount of money, but for people like Connor that's not the only thing that drives him. So that's why people cared. People like underdog stories, and people love confidence in the face of impossible odds. It's only human to be inspired by a story like that.
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MuayThai85 posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

I don't understand why anyone feels the need to make excuses for McGregor. He didn't embarrass himself and he got paid an insane amount.

Some people don't realize McGregor was the underdog for a very good reason and that he was performing way above expectation for the first 6 rounds of the match.

With that said, Mayweather turning his back on McGregor was a super bitch move and I'm glad the ref didn't immediately step in every time (Though at one point Mayweather was literally over the ropes with his back to McGregor and he stepped in when he shouldn't have. Nobody's perfect).

McGregor should have had points taken away for the rabbit punches as well.

Probably yeah, but at the same time you could see Connor tried to hold back on them after his instincts pushed him into it. Definitely illegal but I don't think they affected the outcome of any round, so I don't particularly mind that the ref showed restraint in these circumstances.
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iosifsvoboda posted...

No, macgregor does not have natural punching power

You don't knock out 18 of 21 wins in MMA at 155 lbs. without natural punching power. The problem is, natural punching power isn't enough when you're going up against a defensive wizard like Mayweather unless you also have exceptional boxing technique. Mayweather is too fast to be knocked out with MMA-style punches where power is sacrificed for stability and lateral movement. You could see it through the entire first 4 or 5 rounds--McGregor could land punches but he couldn't hurt Mayweather because Mayweather's slip and angles. Without technique you can maximize speed or you can maximize power, but you cannot maximize both. McGregor needed a tool he never had to develop before to defeat Mayweather.
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I love the people giving Mcgregor props for lasting 10 rounds. Wow he lasted 10 with a 40 year old boxer who hasn't fought in 2 years, and that same boxer was fighting way out of his comfort zone to give the fans a good show. Yeah REAL nice job Connor.
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I think it was Muhammad Ali said, "the bull is stronger but the matador is smarter".
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justaguy3492 posted...

I love the people giving Mcgregor props for lasting 10 rounds. Wow he lasted 10 with a 40 year old boxer who hasn't fought in 2 years, and that same boxer was fighting way out of his comfort zone to give the fans a good show. Yeah REAL nice job Connor.

This his first boxing match ever, and he's been training for boxing for a few months. He did pretty good considering that.

I don't really see anyone making excuses for McGregor. I mean, there was no way he would have won the fight, so there's no excuse to give. The only excuses I've seen are for Floyd's poor performance this fight, which, to be fair are legitimate. He's old and needs to retire.

The only silly thing on the mcgregor side is people saying McGregor has a future in boxing. No he doesn't. He had a good showing against Floyd for a guy who's never boxed before, but he's not a good boxer and it's too late for him to become one.
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justaguy3492 posted...

I love the people giving Mcgregor props for lasting 10 rounds. Wow he lasted 10 with a 40 year old boxer who hasn't fought in 2 years, and that same boxer was fighting way out of his comfort zone to give the fans a good show. Yeah REAL nice job Connor.

Lol this

Mayweather wasn't even using his usual repertoire. He was "infighting". Something he rarely does and was rarely counter punching. None of his usual defensive boxing techniques he's known for were showcased in this fight. All he wanted to do was knock him out. He rarely threw jabs.

This dude let Connor win the first several rounds...LIKE HE DOES WITH EVERYONE HE FIGHTS. Mayweather is known for just letting fighters wear themselves out and learning their movements for the first half of his fights.

This fight showed me two things. MMA fans that rooted for Connor know absolutely nothing about boxing or about Mayweather. Second, people that know nothing about either sport rooted for Connor because of Mayweather being a woman beater or because they are just plain racist.
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

BLAKUboy posted...

Why was this even a thing people cared about? Like, seriously, when did this ever even sound like a good idea to anyone?

White people like to live through McGregor. If he loses its like they lose

Black people like to live vicariously through Mayweather. When he beats his wife it's almost like they do to.

Crap that was racist like you.

justaguy3492 posted...

I love the people giving Mcgregor props for lasting 10 rounds. Wow he lasted 10 with a 40 year old boxer who hasn't fought in 2 years, and that same boxer was fighting way out of his comfort zone to give the fans a good show. Yeah REAL nice job Connor.

10 rounds with one of the greatest boxers of all time even though boxing isn't his sport....
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10 rounds with one of the greatest boxers of all time...

1. Who's not known for knocking people out
2. Who barely threw a punch the first 3 rounds because that's what he always does.
3. While not using his counter punching
4. While not using his defensive boxing
5. While not running around like people make fun of him for and squaring up the entire fight.

It's like people suddenly forgot how Mayweather fights.
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SquantoZ posted...

justaguy3492 posted...

I love the people giving Mcgregor props for lasting 10 rounds. Wow he lasted 10 with a 40 year old boxer who hasn't fought in 2 years, and that same boxer was fighting way out of his comfort zone to give the fans a good show. Yeah REAL nice job Connor.

This dude let Connor win the first several rounds...LIKE HE DOES WITH EVERYONE HE FIGHTS. Mayweather is known for just letting fighters wear themselves out and learning their movements for the first half of his fights.

Why do I have to keep hearing this dumb shit. No, Floyd does not "Let his opponents win the first several rounds". Does he usually dominate in the latter half of fights? Yes, because his style is very conservative and energy preserving, and Mayweather has a historically phenomenal gas tank. Does he let his opponents batter him in the first rounds? Normally no, and even his toughest fights show that's simply not true on the scorecards.


https://cdn-s3.si.com/s3fs-public/2012/05/mayweather-cotto-scorecard.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/03/06/2842A16C00000578-0-image-m-81_1430630732955.jpg

http://boxingscorecards.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/mayweather-castillo-scorecard.jpg

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Mayweather-Scorecard.jpg

http://www.fanbay.net/images/mayweather_delahoya_scorecard.jpg

Note, even the De La Hoya fight, where he was beat overall in the first 5, had Mayweather putting in a good effort but being outpaced and cornered by the more aggressive De La Hoya.

No fighter that's expecting to go to the scorecards is just nonchalantly going to give away 3 or 4 rounds in a fight. That's absolutely absurd. They may be expecting an advantage in the latter rounds but no one leaves they're corner gameplanning to take a bunch of punches and throwing none.
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

No fighter that's expecting to go to the scorecards is just nonchalantly going to give away 3 or 4 rounds in a fight. That's absolutely absurd. They may be expecting an advantage in the latter rounds but no one leaves they're corner gameplanning to take a bunch of punches and throwing none.

If it went to the scorecards and the fight was being fairly refed (and not just for show) Mcgregor should have lost several points for those rabbit punches. Floyd absolutely shouldn't have been turning his back like he was in early rounds, but that doesn't give Mcgregor license to go into MMA instinct mode.

I just think it's hilarious that it went from "He's gonna knock him out" to "he went 10 rounds with the best, mad props." No, just no. It was obvious Floyd would win from the start, stop trying to make it out like Mcgregor did great.
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justaguy3492 posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

No fighter that's expecting to go to the scorecards is just nonchalantly going to give away 3 or 4 rounds in a fight. That's absolutely absurd. They may be expecting an advantage in the latter rounds but no one leaves they're corner gameplanning to take a bunch of punches and throwing none.

If it went to the scorecards and the fight was being fairly refed (and not just for show) Mcgregor should have lost several points for those rabbit punches. Floyd absolutely shouldn't have been turning his back like he was in early rounds, but that doesn't give Mcgregor license to go into MMA instinct mode.

I just think it's hilarious that it went from "He's gonna knock him out" to "he went 10 rounds with the best, mad props." No, just no. It was obvious Floyd would win from the start, stop trying to make it out like Mcgregor did great.

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McGregor did great. I never thought he would knock out Floyd, and I expected Floyd to win in the 7th or 8th. Of course Floyd was going to win, that doesn't mean McGregor can't exceed expectations.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Black people like to live vicariously through Mayweather. When he beats his wife it's almost like they do to.

Crap that was racist like you.

lol nothing I said was racist unlike what you said.
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SquantoZ posted...

10 rounds with one of the greatest boxers of all time...

1. Who's not known for knocking people out
2. Who barely threw a punch the first 3 rounds because that's what he always does.
3. While not using his counter punching
4. While not using his defensive boxing
5. While not running around like people make fun of him for and squaring up the entire fight.

It's like people suddenly forgot how Mayweather fights.

A large portion of the people who watched either a) Are MMA/McGregor fans who never saw a round of boxing in their lives or b) People who never watch MMA OR Boxing and only tuned in because of the hype and automatically rooted for the underdog

The loudest, saltiest people complaining about the match fit into one of those two categories. Neither of them know how boxing works and they don't know what they really watched. Vague memories or references to Rocky don't make you an expert in the game.
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ZMythos posted...

A large portion of the people who watched either a) Are MMA/McGregor fans who never saw a round of boxing in their lives or b) People who never watch MMA OR Boxing and only tuned in because of the hype and automatically rooted for the underdog

The loudest, saltiest people complaining about the match fit into one of those two categories. Neither of them know how boxing works and they don't know what they really watched. Vague memories or references to Rocky don't make you an expert in the game.

My favorite was people complaining that they stopped the fight too early and he shouldn't have called it until he hit the ground. Nothing says "I've never watched boxing before" more than that statement.
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justaguy3492 posted...

My favorite was people complaining that they stopped the fight too early and he shouldn't have called it until he hit the ground. Nothing says "I've never watched boxing before" than that statement.

Yep. Like I said in the OP, there are all of these excuses about people who are just ignorant to the sport.
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Black people like to live vicariously through Mayweather. When he beats his wife it's almost like they do to.

Crap that was racist like you.

lol nothing I said was racist unlike what you said.

What?

I did. The say anything different than you did...

You said whites are trying to live through McGregor.

I said the same of Mayweather. I guess the fact that Mayweather is human filth makes mine look worse but we said identical things.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

What?

I did. The say anything different than you did...

You said whites are trying to live through McGregor.

I said the same of Mayweather. I guess the fact that Mayweather is human filth makes mine look worse but we said identical things.

I said "White people like to live through McGregor"

That isn't racist. That isn't even bad. Most people live through celebrities.

If you wanted to say that "black people live through Mayweather and that's why they are relishing in this win", that's one thing.

You're saying that black people literally beat their wives because Mayweather did it, which is just fucking stupid on top of being a tad racist.
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MuayThai85 posted...

McGregor should have had points taken away for the rabbit punches as well.

He didn't get any points taken away because of the following "excuse"

ZMythos posted...

"Mayweather ducked and turned his back"

While the ref chastised McGregor at first for the rabbit punches, it didn't take long for him to see that Mayweather was drawing rabbit punches / turning his back on purpose to provoke point loss or DQ.

Mayweather was turning his back on purpose to break up any advantage McGregor got.

McGregor turned his back on Mayweather 0 times during that fight. Mayweather is a flopper who can't actually confront an opponent until they're exhausted.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIL6K-oL760
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AsucaHayashi posted...

Abiz_ posted...

All this ppv did was remind me why I don't like boxing. No hammerfist and fact the guys all night were bending over to duck punches and couldn't be punished for it because of the rules was stupid imo. If you bend low enough for someone to hammerfist you in the back of your head. You deserve it.

exactly.

this is the point where it stops being a fight entirely and becomes a game/sport.

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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Black people like to live vicariously through Mayweather. When he beats his wife it's almost like they do to.

Wow
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I can't understand why people are so salty that people think McGregor did a good job for his first boxing match, considering his time to train and who he was fighting. It reminds me of the people who were so sure he'd go down first round, or make it to the sixth if that. Can't you just admit it was a better match than expected? Of course McGregor was going to lose the match. He was still going to win overall with the amount of money he made.

Plus McGregor made me 80 bucks so yeah.
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

iosifsvoboda posted...

No, macgregor does not have natural punching power

You don't knock out 18 of 21 wins in MMA at 155 lbs. without natural punching power. The problem is, natural punching power isn't enough when you're going up against a defensive wizard like Mayweather unless you also have exceptional boxing technique. Mayweather is too fast to be knocked out with MMA-style punches where power is sacrificed for stability and lateral movement. You could see it through the entire first 4 or 5 rounds--McGregor could land punches but he couldn't hurt Mayweather because Mayweather's slip and angles. Without technique you can maximize speed or you can maximize power, but you cannot maximize both. McGregor needed a tool he never had to develop before to defeat Mayweather.

McGreghor is in quarter gloves and is counter punching in an MMA match. He averages 5 punches thrown per round in MMA. He thrives on dodging and hitting his opponent from angles that stun his opponents--not from some natural brute punching strength. Throw in softer gloves in boxing and viola!

Mayweather knew before the fight Conor wasn't going to be able to hurt him and once he confirmed it in reality he changed his strategy
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SquantoZ posted...

1. Who's not known for knocking people out

27 KO's out of 50 fights ain't bad.
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