Current Events > I'm watching Logan, haven't seen an X-men movie since Origins

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What the FUCK am I watching right now? It makes me want to watch the newest trilogy and the other wolverine movie just to see how the fuck these movies got to this point tonally. I knew it was rated R but I just expecting them to drop a few F bombs and be a bit more graphic with wolverine kills. This isn't what I was expecting at all.

Oh and no unmarked spoilers pls.
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Stop distracting yourself from the movie and come back to us after you're done.
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Kisai posted...

Stop distracting yourself from the movie and come back to us after you're done.

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You did it completely wrong and I'm glad I ain't you.
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Should have at least watched the newest X Men trilogy first. I didn't watch Origins and I watched about half of The Wolverine before turning it off, thought it sucked. Logan was great though but be sure to watch the newest trilogy
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The newest trilogy doesn't really match it tonally and even if you had watched them you probably wouldn't have been expecting it to be as dark as it is, I think most people weren't and that's what a lot of people ended up liking about it but it definitely would've been helpful to see the arch throughout them.
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All of the Xmen movies are worth watching except for Wolverine Origins.
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Gamer99z posted...

The newest trilogy doesn't really match it tonally and even if you had watched them you probably wouldn't have been expecting it to be as dark as it is, I think most people weren't and that's what a lot of people ended up liking about it but it definitely would've been helpful to see the arch throughout them.

I haven't seen Logan yet, but the newest trilogy was definitely a helluva lot more dark than the original trilogy. Which is weird, because the first three were pretty much six hours explaining why racism was bad.

Logan is s completely stand alone film, there is nothing leading up to it that you missed, TC.
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fan357 posted...

All of the Xmen movies are worth watching except for Wolverine Origins.

And Last Stand. And Apocalypse.
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Dash_Harber posted...

Gamer99z posted...

The newest trilogy doesn't really match it tonally and even if you had watched them you probably wouldn't have been expecting it to be as dark as it is, I think most people weren't and that's what a lot of people ended up liking about it but it definitely would've been helpful to see the arch throughout them.

I haven't seen Logan yet, but the newest trilogy was definitely a helluva lot more dark than the original trilogy. Which is weird, because the first three were pretty much six hours explaining why racism was bad.

They have darker and more serious moments but don't compare to where Logan took it at all. They still generally always had some upbeat moments of teaming up, bringing out certain characters inherent goodness, people redeem themselves, and it has some of the general cheese like "mutant and proud" and some comedic relief. Logan has none of that and it's just a bleak shitty world. Not just the story and characters but the directing, cinematography, and entire vibe of everything is just bleak and depressing in a way that I and I'm assuming many other people weren't expecting it to be even with the R rating. It feels absolutely nothing like any of the other X-Men movies or really any other comics book movies.

Don't get me wrong, it's not some extremely dark movie that's going to blow you away with how depressing it is, it's just really unexpected for the franchise and for the genre. I'd give examples but I don't want to spoil anything if you're intending to see it, which I'd suggest you do at some point if you've already seen the others anyways.

Makeveli_lives posted...

fan357 posted...

All of the Xmen movies are worth watching except for Wolverine Origins.

And Last Stand. And Apocalypse.

I didn't mind Apocalypse or get the hate it got. First Class is definitely the best of the trilogy and Apocalypse is the worst of the 3 but it wasn't that bad imo. But I really like McAvoy and Fassbender so I might be biased because I just really enjoyed watching their characters in just about any situation.

fusespliff posted...

Logan is s completely stand alone film, there is nothing leading up to it that you missed, TC.

Also for everyone saying you messed up or should've watched them in order, nothing in the previous movies really prepares you for Logan. It's good to get the full character arch but Logan is pretty stand alone. Nothing in the previous ones really lead you into this world it throws you in like it does.
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It's over now. I'm still saying what the fuck to what I just saw... I liked the movie a lot but how the fuck did it get to this point? Like everyone is fucking dead apparently, Prof X is practically senile and dies, Wolverine is completely out of whatever fucks he had left to give about anything. I saw the ads for DOFP so that and based off the name I'm assuming they worked in time travel stuff for fix where they went with X3 and shit but now all I can wonder is what the fuck did they do wrong in DOFP to get us to this future? Surely whatever the alternative was wasn't as bad as this considering like I said, everyone is fucking dead and is this the permanent direction for the franchise now? A completely clean slate, all the classic X-Men dead and it being about X-23 and all these new people now in this shitty ass future they wound up in? Are they planning to stick to the R rating? this movie was a fucking trip man, I didn't expect any of this shit.
Gotta be a dick and poke holes though, how was a tree branch able penetrate him right through his adamantium ribcage?

I might just binge the newest trilogy with him today since I don't really have any plans and damn it's been awhile since I've seen a super hero movie that I felt this good about after. Usually they're so generic, cheesy, and clearly trying not to get too mature because they need all those kids butts in the seats.
And for the record I had no intention of watching this movie and that's why I'd didn't watch the others first. I don't really care for super hero movies and I only watched it because I have my cousin with me all week and I let him pick something on Vudu to watch. If I had actually planned to watch it, I would have gone in release order.
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Yeah you didn't miss anything by not watching the recent meh movies (with some being drastically bad while others being between ok and awful, basically around the D grade category)

Watching any of the recent movies won't even remotely explain how things got to where they are in Logan. Don't even bother trying to make sense of Fox's crummy X-men universe in terms of continuity or consistency. I still can't believe 2016's Deadpool was so amazing if Fox were the studio behind it (though I hear ryan reynolds and tim miller deserve the credit)
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TC, watch DoFP at least. That movie is essentially the alternative you speak of. It was worse for the planet.

In it, Wolverine went back to the 70s and changed the future. Which eventually led to this. On top of this, he's now more fucked up because he lived the 1970s to the 2020s TWICE. Just watch DoFP if anything since it erased X1, X2, X3, Origins and The Wolverine.

Essentially, I too found the Logan world really fucked up because they went through hell in DoFP to get that future and the ending of the movie left you feeling super positive, but then a few years later, things turned to shit.

Also to add, Logan is meant to be the end of the story. The new movies are happening after Apocalypse and leading into the original X1 era. And in 2016, Deadpool is happening.
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Logan is relatively self-contained in terms of continuity so I wouldn't stress over how it all fits together.

xBloodBrotherx posted...

Usually they're so generic, cheesy, and clearly trying not to get too mature because they need all those kids butts in the seats.

The new trilogy (First Class, DoFP, and Apocalypse) is tonally nothing like Logan.

There's still a lot of cheese (well except DoFP, which is fairly dark) but they're still fine movies (Apocalypse is not, it sucked imo)
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Makeveli_lives posted...

fan357 posted...

All of the Xmen movies are worth watching except for Wolverine Origins.

And Last Stand. And Apocalypse.

And the first 2 movies.
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Yeah don't expect consistency and a well tied together universe from Fox, they're really just not capable of it.
I'm telling you Logan is just as "what the fuck" if you'd seen the previous movies or not.
And as for you asking if that's the direction they're planning to continue it, who knows. I'd assume so but knowing Fox they'll find a way to convolute it and have multiple things going on at once.
But to be fair maybe not considering everyone from the original movies they've been trying so hard to tie into the new ones are getting old. People like Jackman are too old to keep up with the physical demands and people like Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen are unfortunately not immortal and aren't going to live forever to continue their roles. Plus I think there was something about whatsherface Hunger Games chick who played Mystique not wanting to do it anymore and stuff like that. Hopefully they realize they fucked themselves into a corner between the two trilogies and maybe this is the only way they could see going forward with the franchise.
It is kind of jarring that everyone is seemingly just dead without any elaborating or closure on it for any of them. especially since the entire point of DOFP was them sending Wolverine back to prevent a series of events that lead to a future where all the mutants are wiped out and them trying to make a "better future". Which begs the question that when shit started going this wrong again why wouldn't they try to send someone back again?
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They explained in the film that Professor X had a seizure and killed all the X-Men.
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DOFP is the best X-Men movie of all.
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Gamer99z posted...

And as for you asking if that's the direction they're planning to continue it, who knows. I'd assume so but knowing Fox they'll find a way to convolute it and have multiple things going on at once.

They have Dark Phoenix and New Mutants both taking place after Apocalypse. So it looks like they're sticking with that continuity for now.
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LightningAce11 posted...

They explained in the film that Professor X had a seizure and killed all the X-Men.

Damn I need to rewatch the movie. I'm shit at remembering all the details from movies after like 6 months or so tops.
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Makeveli_lives posted...

fan357 posted...

All of the Xmen movies are worth watching except for Wolverine Origins.

And Last Stand. And Apocalypse.

Last Stand, Apocalypse and Dofp are no where near as bad as origins. Origins is one of those movies that actually makes you angry from how bad it is, like lucy. But apocalypse is so bad it's good territory which I'm fine with.
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saspa posted...

Makeveli_lives posted...

fan357 posted...

All of the Xmen movies are worth watching except for Wolverine Origins.

And Last Stand. And Apocalypse.

Last Stand, Apocalypse and Dofp are no where near as bad as origins. Origins is one of those movies that actually makes you angry from how bad it is, like lucy. But apocalypse is so bad it's good territory which I'm fine with.

Apocalypse is bad and boring. It's not "so bad it's good".
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I heard Ryan Reynolds has been begging Hugh Jackman to do Wolverine one last time with Deadpool.

Since Wolverine is technically around during the Deadpool era, I really hope he makes at least a 4th wall cameo. Both actors have been hanging out with each other.
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LockeMonster posted...

I heard Ryan Reynolds has been begging Hugh Jackman to do Wolverine one last time with Deadpool.

Since Wolverine is technically around during the Deadpool era, I really hope he makes at least a 4th wall cameo. Both actors have been hanging out with each other.

Really? I'm the opposite on this.

I hope Jackman resists the urge. Logan was a fantastic love letter and finale to his take on the character and I think he should just go out on a high note.
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Gamer99z posted...

LightningAce11 posted...

They explained in the film that Professor X had a seizure and killed all the X-Men.

Damn I need to rewatch the movie. I'm shit at remembering all the details from movies after like 6 months or so tops.

To be fair they don't outright say it. They give you very small pieces of information that you need to piece together yourself.
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saspa posted...

Makeveli_lives posted...

fan357 posted...

All of the Xmen movies are worth watching except for Wolverine Origins.

And Last Stand. And Apocalypse.

Last Stand, Apocalypse and Dofp are no where near as bad as origins. Origins is one of those movies that actually makes you angry from how bad it is, like lucy. But apocalypse is so bad it's good territory which I'm fine with.

Days of Future Past was actually a good movie though, why group them with the other 2?
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Answer to your question -- your rib cage is not solid. Plenty of room for a porforation.

This is the best super hero movie ever and **** Fox for not pushing this for an Academy Award.
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fan357 posted...

Gamer99z posted...

LightningAce11 posted...

They explained in the film that Professor X had a seizure and killed all the X-Men.

Damn I need to rewatch the movie. I'm shit at remembering all the details from movies after like 6 months or so tops.

To be fair they don't outright say it. They give you very small pieces of information that you need to piece together yourself.

Yeah I'm vaguely remembering it but not perfectly. If I'm remembering right the key scene for that was Prof. X having a moment of more lucidity, possibly after he stopped taking the meds, mentioning bad things he's done that he remembers doing. I'm assuming it was that if I'm remembering correctly.

CreekCo posted...

Answer to your question -- your rib cage is not solid. Plenty of room for a porforation.

This is the best super hero movie ever and **** Fox for not pushing this for an Academy Award.

I seem to remember it being a big ass piece though, even if a bit made it between the ribs how would it have broken the ribs themselves to make a big ass hole? Either way though it doesn't matter much, he was going to die anyways even just from the wounds he had at that point anyways, nevermind the fact that his body was poisoning itself so that would've gotten him anyways. Regardless he was a dead man.
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Watched the trilogy...

Yep that didn't help at all. First Class was pretty good though.
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So basically they aren't planning to follow the Logan continuity any time soon?
That really blows, Logan is the best comic book movie I've seen.
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xBloodBrotherx posted...

So basically they aren't planning to follow the Logan continuity any time soon?
That really blows, Logan is the best comic book movie I've seen.

He's been wolverine for 15 years in 2 theologies, let the man and the character move on.
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Makeveli_lives posted...

xBloodBrotherx posted...

So basically they aren't planning to follow the Logan continuity any time soon?
That really blows, Logan is the best comic book movie I've seen.

He's been wolverine for 15 years in 2 theologies, let the man and the character move on.

I'm not talking about him, he ded, I'm talking about where the movie left off.
They did a good enough half prequel/half sequel trilogy and I don't know why they're going to continue that further. I just want to see X-23 in another depressing as fuck harder R movie following the tone Logan set, is that too much to ask for?
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