Current Events > Which games are actually "too hard"?

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I feel like Dark Souls, F-Zero, and games of that difficulty... are manageable, mainstream (for gamers at least), and about a sense of satisfaction

Are legendary hard games like Battletoads and Ninja Gaiden "too hard"?

Which games do you think are just flat out impossible, cheap, insurmountable? Do you think any games are, other than poorly programmed ones?

You can also account for difficulty settings. I have no idea how to do level 1 of Ikaruga on "easy", but I wasn't raised on top-down shooters.
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Devil May Cry 3 (original release) was stupid. The special edition was much more fair.
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every 3rd party NES game
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I remember when I was a kid I used Game Genie for infinite lives and STILL could never get through the Turbo Tunnel :(
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Those ridiculously convoluted Sierra point-and-click games
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Battletoads is a game about strict memorization but it tricks you for the first two levels because those are beat em up
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I think that no matter how many times I attempt, I'm never going to beat Battletoads. I've never made it past the Snake Pit and every level after that is MUCH more brutal than that one.

@ManSpread
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My mom was able to beat battle toads back in the day. Only person I've ever seen clear turbo tunnel on the nes version. I was able to beat the turbo tunnel on the gameboy version but never nes.

Solar jetman was a game I really liked but it was way too hard to be fun
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I think getting 1000 gamerscore out of the original Geometry Wars is near impossible, so that makes my list. Battletoads, Ghosts & Goblins, and TMNT (not arcade) on NES were games I owned as a kid and couldn't beat.
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The Souls games aren't hard if you take it slow like you are supposed to. People who claim those games are hard expect a ninja gaiden-y game. It's not at all.

Ninja Gaiden is definitely a "too hard" game at times. I've set at levels for three hours before. (For seriously a three..... four room stage.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9LsJR1GQZ4

This level. This level was the bane of my existence. I couldn't stand this fucking mission.
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Regarding the Turbo Tunnel: If the problem you are having is falling through the ground during those "!" parts go all the way down just before those jumps start. Then you just jump and you'll make it every time.

F-Zero GX

I am a firm believer in "git gud" so i'll never call a game "too hard", though games that are hard enough where they stop being fun and are no longer worth my time are games like Dark Souls.
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EffectAndCause posted...

I am a firm believer in "git gud" so i'll never call a game "too hard", though games that are hard enough where they stop being fun and are no longer worth my time are games like Dark Souls.

circle strafe is all you need to master all dark souls games.
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Super Ghouls & Ghosts is hard in a dumb way. You beat the game, and that's not too bad, but then the game's basically "In order to REALLY beat the game, you have to do it again, but not get hit."

When my friends and I saw that, we were just like... nah.
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EffectAndCause posted...

I am a firm believer in "git gud" so i'll never call a game "too hard", though games that are hard enough where they stop being fun and are no longer worth my time are games like Dark Souls.

Git gud
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From recent memory, it's Sayonara Umihara Kawase, which I got for the 3DS. The controls are a bit of a contributer to why it's hard, but some of the jumps expected and the sudden momentum shifts and swings is WAY too precise. Like you can't really pinpoint when you should release either, just that you gotta try over and over til it's the very correct angle and timing. And the worst is that it turns out that they pretty much give you everything you needed from the start to get absolutely all the content. The problem is, I fucking got like 1 of the optional bag out of like 20 in the first 20-30 levels.
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To me it comes down to the degree of perfection and/or cheese needed to beat a game. Ninja Gaiden is an example of a game that demands a bit too much perfection to beat consistently imo, sure you can brute force it given enough time but I think it could do with a little tweaking. Some fighting game bosses on extreme difficulties are downright ridiculous and some can't be consistently beaten without luck or cheesy combo strings, not to mention the ones that read your inputs and react faster than a human could possibly hope to. I'm fine with reading inputs if the AI is forced to buffer its responses to human reaction times but some do not do this and its ridiculous.
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I didn't think Ghouls & Ghosts was too hard other than the "beat me twice" bullshit. Ghosts & Goblins on the other hand I think is ridiculously difficult AND you have to beat it two times.

In trauma center 2, you have to be ingenious to beat the game on the hardest difficulty. This means realizing that you need two stylus' to multitask and exploiting the touch screen by pressing two points at the same time to draw a line instantly
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I always found the highest difficulty AI in Dissidia to be ridiculous
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Gonna put a technicality on Baldur's Gate Enhanced Edition - Legacy of Bhaal setting.

For the fact that it requires you to use constant cheese exploits, because melee combat is completely impossible due to hilariously improper scaling. Many spells are rendered garbage, or literally useless, as well as Turn Undead.

The overall difficulty of the game doesn't increase too much if you play it by exploiting AI issues, but if you try and play it 'legit', it's absolutely not happening.
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Tappor posted...

EffectAndCause posted...

I am a firm believer in "git gud" so i'll never call a game "too hard", though games that are hard enough where they stop being fun and are no longer worth my time are games like Dark Souls.

Git gud

Nah, game's not even fun. I wanted to git gud in the Crash N. Sane Trilogy because it was at least fun to play.
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Touhou

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Those ridiculously convoluted Sierra point-and-click games

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ACHEEKSMALLOY posted...

EffectAndCause posted...

I am a firm believer in "git gud" so i'll never call a game "too hard", though games that are hard enough where they stop being fun and are no longer worth my time are games like Dark Souls.

circle strafe is all you need to master all dark souls games.

Honestly, there are a couple set ups, but the Souls games are only hard the first time you play one. After that, you realize all the nifty tips and tricks and it becomes a lot more manageable.

Super Meat Boy for me.
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Also, I struggle so hard with Darkest Dungeon. I don't know why. I think I need some tips/have to look up some guides.

Grandmaster level Tetris.
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Dash_Harber posted...

Also, I struggle so hard with Darkest Dungeon. I don't know why. I think I need some tips/have to look up some guides.

Crusader, Vestal, and Houndmaster are so fucking good
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lderivedx posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Also, I struggle so hard with Darkest Dungeon. I don't know why. I think I need some tips/have to look up some guides.

Crusader, Vestal, and Houndmaster are so fucking good

I've used Crusader and Vestal a lot. Houndmaster, not so much. I mostly paired him in a party with the Bounty Hunter, Arbalest, and the Man-At-Arms since they all have abilities that involve marking enemies.

I remember The Void being really unforgiving with very obscure game mechanics. But that was more that I had to research to complete the game. I found Super Meatboy very hard. Any platformer with a tiny player character and walls and ceilings lined with spikes tends to make me quit before I try.
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I think most games can be beaten with enough practice, maybe look up some tips if you're at a figurative wall.

Then I play things like Faster Than Light. Shit like this is way too RNG based. The player could do nothing really wrong but get destroyed easily. Anything else that is too luck heavy I consider "too difficult".
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lderivedx posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Also, I struggle so hard with Darkest Dungeon. I don't know why. I think I need some tips/have to look up some guides.

Crusader, Vestal, and Houndmaster are so fucking good

Plague Doctor is the best character

and also best girl
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Iron-Tarkus posted...

Plague Doctor is the best character

and also best girl

Is that a spoiler? 0_0

Anyway, yeah, Plague Doctor is kickass. Honestly, they did a really good job balancing the classes and making them all look and feel unique.

Dash_Harber posted...

Is that a spoiler? 0_0

Nah it's not a spoiler. It is the truth though
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Iron-Tarkus posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Is that a spoiler? 0_0

Nah it's not a spoiler. It is the truth though

Yeah, I just wasn't sure if people weren't aware. Anyway, awesome game that I absolutely suck at.

Dash_Harber posted...

I've used Crusader and Vestal a lot. Houndmaster, not so much. I mostly paired him in a party with the Bounty Hunter, Arbalest, and the Man-At-Arms since they all have abilities that involve marking enemies.

Oh yeah, the MAA is also really good.

Houndmaster does just about everything. Good stress heal, good stun, good damage, self heal.
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lderivedx posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

I've used Crusader and Vestal a lot. Houndmaster, not so much. I mostly paired him in a party with the Bounty Hunter, Arbalest, and the Man-At-Arms since they all have abilities that involve marking enemies.

Oh yeah, the MAA is also really good.

Houndmaster does just about everything. Good stress heal, good stun, good damage, self heal.

My real problem is I always end up out of money with a stressed out main party and mediocore newbie teams. I hate cheesy parties and prefer to not use multiples of the same character, maybe that is my problem.

Figuring out what fights you can stall and stress heal on is important.

As for teams, try to build teams evenly so that you'll have more options when choosing the week's mission.
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Ninja Gaiden Black is a good/ reasonably hard game

Ninja Gaiden 2 / Sigma 2 are poorly designed 'too hard' games
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Only one lately was the darkest dungeon, I can't stand games that screw you over just for the hell of it rather than punish you for a mistake like the souls games do.

Some of the later Nod missions in Command & Conquer are fucking bullshit.
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Touhou and other Bullet Hell games.

Battletoads
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Pretty much anything for NES or Genesis. People like to call Mega Man hard but really those games are a cakewalk compared to many games of the era.

But in fairness, this is mostly because you have to start the whole game over if you die a few times. Which is a primary reason MM games are easier.

For example, Double Dragon, Super Thunder Blade, Altered Beast, TMNT, Ecco the Dolphin, Rad Racer, Battletoads and Contra off the top of my head are waaaay harder than any Mega Man. And even SMB1, tbh.
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Rikiaz posted...

Devil May Cry 3 (original release) was stupid. The special edition was much more fair.

I agree.

Back in the day I beat Ninja Gaiden on xbox, but couldnt beat DMC3. Got to the part where you had to fight all the bosses again consecutively and just couldnt do it.
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Rikiaz posted...

Devil May Cry 3 (original release) was stupid. The special edition was much more fair.

I didn't think it was that bad. I managed to beat it when I was like 12. That's the one with the Vergil final boss right? I do remember that part being a bitch.
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