Current Events > Finished Logan. Ok it was actually good. BUT WTF???!! Spoilers

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The movie just ends! Where the hell is the catharsis of finding out whether or not the kids make it to the "Eden" and if it's a real place? That's the end? What the hell.

In Children of Men, the movie doesn't just end with Clive Owen dying, we get to see the happy ending of the mother and her baby getting on the magic ship. In The Road, the movie doesn't just end with Aragorn dying, his son finds a nice family to take him to heaven. I expect the same from this movie! Especially considering it's clearly borrowing elements from a lot of these types of movies.

What is this wtfness! And what is up with that metaness of x-men comics being a thing in the movie?

There isn't even an after credits scene.... what the hell. I feel so... unfulfilled.
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eden was never real it was just a arc in a comic book they fed the kids for hope.

I believe the point is X-23 getting closure and the strength to be a leader to the other children and help them find peace.

Something like that, I personally think that more poetic than a dues ex machina like eden being real and a perfect paradise.
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saspa posted...

Where the hell is the catharsis of finding out whether or not the kids make it to the "Eden" and if it's a real place?

...they did. That was the place where all the kids were.
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But yeah movie was pretty good all in all. I was worried that the praise this movie had would be like that disappointingly boring 2014 movie that people hyped, but this one was actually good and didn't feature just one scene with a speedster that happened to be the only good part of the whole movie.

Sure I have a lot of questions about what happened prior to the events of the movie, how they got to this shitty scenario, where this fits in the greater x-men continuity (not that I really care) but I enjoyed the movie as its own relatively self-contained thing.

Liked the kid, liked patrick stewart of course, and just really rooted for them to be happy. Poor Charles dying once again... I wonder if this time it will be "permanent" (I like how in that final scene in the wolverine that was supposed to be the teaser for the disappointing days of future past, they don't even bother explaining how he's alive from x3 and got his body back)
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Zeeak4444 posted...

eden was never real it was just a arc in a comic book they fed the kids for hope.

I believe the point is X-23 getting closure and the strength to be a leader to the other children and help them find peace.

Something like that, I personally think that more poetic than a dues ex machina like eden being real and a perfect paradise.

Why would she be the leader? The other hispanic kid who seems to be the oldest of the group appears to be the leader.

I don't think it's a deus ex machina. I only ask because I'm unsure if they're still technically on the run, if there are more men that are going to chase them, because a big company that does shady shit like that doesn't just stop because their top scientist and a bunch of replaceable soldiers die.

Plus there was someone on the other end of the line that the boy leader was talking to when they were at the hideout, just curious to see what it was. But the movie just... ends. I posted some examples from others movies for why that's kinda bullshit.
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They showed a post credit scene in X-3 of how he got his body back for like "the wolverine" post credits scene and stuff but I agree with you.

Good flick though. Allegedly, Stewart and Jackman have both stated this was the final xmen movie for them.
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Lol I remember that scene. They had one for magneto too, which is why I didn't question how he got his powers back, but with charles his body disintegrated so... unless one of his powers is rematerializing...
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saspa posted...

Lol I remember that scene. They had one for magneto too, which is why I didn't question how he got his powers back, but with charles his body disintegrated so... unless one of his powers is rematerializing...

Ya that whole movie was terrible lol.
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Yeah we just have to assume they got across the border and to the people they were talking to.
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It seemed like the writers of this movie didn't want anyone, except maybe the kids getting a happy ending.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

saspa posted...

Lol I remember that scene. They had one for magneto too, which is why I didn't question how he got his powers back, but with charles his body disintegrated so... unless one of his powers is rematerializing...

Ya that whole movie was terrible lol.

And a lot of people are insisting that the post 2010s movies render it non canon so it's kinda interesting.
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Sir Will posted...

Yeah we just have to assume they got across the border and to the people they were talking to.

Seems kinda disappointing that they didn't include such a scene for posterity's sake isn't it?
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Didn't Charles transfer his consciousness to his brain dead identical twin or something? that always makes me laugh

Wing_Phoenix posted...

It seemed like the writers of this movie didn't want anyone, except maybe the kids getting a happy ending.

Considering the tone of the movie established from the very beginning, it makes sense. But that's the thing, we haven't seen a happy ending for the kids and are left to assume, but considering how dark the movie is it could go either way really.
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Dragon56 posted...

Didn't Charles transfer his consciousness to his brain dead identical twin or something? that always makes me laugh

Looooooooool. Also same time post! So cool
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Zeeak4444 posted...

eden was never real it was just a arc in a comic book they fed the kids for hope.

It was, but it turned out to be Canada.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

eden was never real it was just a arc in a comic book they fed the kids for hope.

It was, but it turned out to be Canada.

Oh ya that's right, my bad.
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My happy childhood memories are in Canada so...
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SlashmanSG posted...

saspa posted...

Where the hell is the catharsis of finding out whether or not the kids make it to the "Eden" and if it's a real place?

...they did. That was the place where all the kids were.

Do you really believe that?
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saspa posted...

SlashmanSG posted...

saspa posted...

Where the hell is the catharsis of finding out whether or not the kids make it to the "Eden" and if it's a real place?

...they did. That was the place where all the kids were.

Do you really believe that?

It's pretty obvious. Eden was where they all were supposed to meet before making a break for the border.
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if Eden wasn't real, the kids will make it to be real.
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Ricemills posted...

if Eden wasn't real, the kids will make it to be real.

"Eden" as described in the comics wasn't real. It was used as a location for an underground railroad type of thing that was helping mutants escape from the oppressive America in to Canada. That's all. The reason they had to get there before a certain date was that laws were going into effect that would make it exceedingly difficult to smuggle mutants out of America.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Ricemills posted...

if Eden wasn't real, the kids will make it to be real.

"Eden" as described in the comics wasn't real. It was used as a location for an underground railroad type of thing that was helping mutants escape from the oppressive America in to Canada. That's all. The reason they had to get there before a certain date was that laws were going into effect that would make it exceedingly difficult to smuggle mutants out of America.

Huh this must have been an older story because the parallels to slavery are uncanny. Even the whole Canada is somehow this mystical place where all is right with the world.
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SlashmanSG posted...

saspa posted...

SlashmanSG posted...

saspa posted...

Where the hell is the catharsis of finding out whether or not the kids make it to the "Eden" and if it's a real place?

...they did. That was the place where all the kids were.

Do you really believe that?

It's pretty obvious. Eden was where they all were supposed to meet before making a break for the border.

What about the people they were talking to on the radio?
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saspa posted...

What about the people they were talking to on the radio?

Those were the nurses that accompanied all the other kids
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Only thing that bothered me was Xavier insisting on staying with that family, ensuring their murders. Same thing happened in Origins.

I guess Xavier refusing to take his meds when they're in populated cities, also.

Was Xavier supposed to be going senile and not making rational decisions or what? He made horrible decisions for a usually smart man. Or was others getting hurt because of him a deliberate choice to show how his goody-goody nature was naive and dangerous in the film's bleak setting?
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SolKarellen posted...

Was Xavier supposed to be going senile and not making rational decisions or what?

Uhh yeah it's pretty clear that he's suffering from dementia or some kind of cognitive disease. That's pretty clear when he's just rolling around in the water tower or whatever it was just going in circles spouting off nonsense.

There's also the possibility that whatever they put in the food and water to keep mutants from being born/developing their powers might have affected them in some negative ways as well and potentially even lead to what was going on with Prof X and Logan.
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Isn't the general theory that Eden is in Canada and they're going up there to meet up with/form Alpha Flight?
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Xavier had dementia and was obviously not in the right state of mind. Eden wasn't real but they used those coordinates for a meet up spot.
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Gamer99z posted...

SolKarellen posted...

Was Xavier supposed to be going senile and not making rational decisions or what?

Uhh yeah it's pretty clear that he's suffering from dementia or some kind of cognitive disease. That's pretty clear when he's just rolling around in the water tower or whatever it was just going in circles spouting off nonsense.

There's also the possibility that whatever they put in the food and water to keep mutants from being born/developing their powers might have affected them in some negative ways as well and potentially even lead to what was going on with Prof X and Logan.

Logan's issues were caused by his healing factor slowing down due to aging to the point that it couldn't stave off the poisoning caused by his adamantium bones.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Isn't the general theory that Eden is in Canada and they're going up there to meet up with/form Alpha Flight?

Alpha Flight?
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TC says DoFP didn't deliver

GTFO DoFP was so far the best X-Men movie of them all.
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Did you just call a movie that has jennifer lawrence in it the best
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saspa posted...

Did you just call a movie that has jennifer lawrence in it the best

Oh please.

She was in what? Like 10 minutes at most?
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... She was literally made the central character of the movie. At least in First Class there was still emphasis on mccavoy and fassbender, by far the best thing out of the new trilogy.
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Wait. Y'all can't tell me that Jennifer Lawrence can't act. Her Mystique had some bad moments in Apocalypse, yes. She's got a reputation as being difficult to work with when she doesn't like the material, fine.

But to say she can't act? We've got some depressingly short term memories here.
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hollow_shrine posted...

Wait. Y'all can't tell me that Jennifer Lawrence can't act. Her Mystique had some bad moments in Apocalypse, yes. She's got a reputation as being difficult to work with when she doesn't like the material, fine.

But to say she can't act? We've got some depressingly short term memories here.

... "mutant and proud"

/caseclosed
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saspa posted...

... "mutant and proud"

Do you have a problem with that line
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Kim Kusanagi posted...

saspa posted...

... "mutant and proud"

Do you have a problem with that line

It's pretty cheesy and made me cringe when she said it at the end of First Class
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Gamer99z posted...

Kim Kusanagi posted...

saspa posted...

... "mutant and proud"

Do you have a problem with that line

It's pretty cheesy and made me cringe when she said it at the end of First Class

Yes and I'm sure that Lawrence herself wrote the line
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It is pretty obvious there is someone waiting for the kids on the other side of the border, someone was on the other end of the radio and said they just needed to cross and they would be taken care of.

It is also heavily implied that whatever gene therapy they put in the food also stunted Logan's healing factor as well as giving Charles his brain disease.
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SolKarellen posted...

Gamer99z posted...

SolKarellen posted...

Was Xavier supposed to be going senile and not making rational decisions or what?

Uhh yeah it's pretty clear that he's suffering from dementia or some kind of cognitive disease. That's pretty clear when he's just rolling around in the water tower or whatever it was just going in circles spouting off nonsense.

There's also the possibility that whatever they put in the food and water to keep mutants from being born/developing their powers might have affected them in some negative ways as well and potentially even lead to what was going on with Prof X and Logan.

Logan's issues were caused by his healing factor slowing down due to aging to the point that it couldn't stave off the poisoning caused by his adamantium bones.

I know, but there's an underlying implication that what they were putting in the food and everything could have contributed to that happening, as well as Prof X's condition.

BlueBoy675 posted...

Gamer99z posted...

Kim Kusanagi posted...

saspa posted...

... "mutant and proud"

Do you have a problem with that line

It's pretty cheesy and made me cringe when she said it at the end of First Class

Yes and I'm sure that Lawrence herself wrote the line

Oh I don't have anything against her, I thought she was great in the movies. I just really hate that line because it makes me physically cringe because it's so cheesy. I thought her performance overall was great though, even in Apocalypse which I don't hate like a lot of people.
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Then what's your fucking problem with her
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Kim Kusanagi posted...

Then what's your fucking problem with her

I'm not the one who said I had a problem with her, that was someone else. I was just responding to you asking if there was a problem with that line specifically since I find it cringy as fuck. I don't have a problem with Jennifer Lawrence or her performance in the X-Men movies.
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okay

bring it saspa
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SolKarellen posted...

Gamer99z posted...

SolKarellen posted...

Was Xavier supposed to be going senile and not making rational decisions or what?

Uhh yeah it's pretty clear that he's suffering from dementia or some kind of cognitive disease. That's pretty clear when he's just rolling around in the water tower or whatever it was just going in circles spouting off nonsense.

There's also the possibility that whatever they put in the food and water to keep mutants from being born/developing their powers might have affected them in some negative ways as well and potentially even lead to what was going on with Prof X and Logan.

Logan's issues were caused by his healing factor slowing down due to aging to the point that it couldn't stave off the poisoning caused by his adamantium bones.

But that doesn't really make complete sense either. Why would his natural mutation be slowing down then specifically? He's canonically what like 150 years old in the movies? Why would I randomly start slowing then after all that time? It's pretty heavily implied that what they were putting in everything was responsible for his natural mutation slowing.
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