Current Events > What does removing confederate statues do anyway ?

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I mean people just aren't going to change their views just because some statue was taken away.

I mean it's just something made out of rock or marble or something.

I don't let some statue tell me what to do.

So if people want to get along then why not have a big social gathering with all these groups and everyone can express their woes about each other and maybe everyone can come to some mutual agreement or something.
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If you think that the statue being there is so innocuous then why balk at it being removed? It means nothing, right?
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because they represent a group of traitors who fought for the right to own other human beings
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PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

I mean people just aren't going to change their views just because some statue was taken away.

I mean it's just something made out of rock or marble or something.

I don't let some statue tell me what to do.

So if people want to get along then why not have a big social gathering with all these groups and everyone can express their woes about each other and maybe everyone can come to some mutual agreement or something.

If the statue doesn't do anything, then you shouldn't care if it gets removed or not.
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Prevents racism.
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You're cool with a heroic statue of Osama bin Laden in your hometown then? Think your neighbors will be?
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Didn't you hear, if all the statues go away racism will too!
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If the statue doesn't do anything, then you shouldn't care if it gets removed or not.

I don't.

Haven't seen one in my life aside a Cherokee face some dude carved out of a tree back in the mid 1980's.

I just want to see what everyone else thinks.
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voldothegr8 posted...

Didn't you hear, if all the statues go away racism will too!

How do you eat a whole elephant?
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Didn't you hear, if all the statues go away racism will too!

This is kind of what I'm trying to say.

People are like if the statues are gone then racism will be gone too.

Like instead of trying to have better communication and understanding with each other.

Trying to 1UP each other just isn't going to work.
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Because if they are gone, they can start forgetting why they existed in the first place, whitewashing history into a happier place.
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It means we as a nation stop celebrating the accomplishments of traitors. Some individuals will continue to treat these men as heroes. The United States as a country will not.
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eston posted...

Some individuals will continue to treat these men as heroes. The United States as a country will not.

Wasn't that already the case?
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Butterfiles posted...

because they represent a group of traitors who fought for the right to own other human beings

Pretty much. We can still have nuanced discussions while hoping for the removal of statues that honor the confederacy.
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voldothegr8 posted...

eston posted...

Some individuals will continue to treat these men as heroes. The United States as a country will not.

Wasn't that already the case?

Not while those statues are sitting on public land
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It stops the constant metaphorical spitting in the eyes of black folk and helps to un-normalize the veneration of those people.
There's a reason those statues were erected during Jim Crow.
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I support someone's idea of putting them in museums the other day, but to have them as a US monument is pretty dumb at this point.
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Foppe posted...

Because if they are gone, they can start forgetting why they existed in the first place, whitewashing history into a happier place.

Putting them up in the first place was done in order to whitewash the reasons for the civil war and attribute the conflict to reasons that weren't true at the time but merely made up after the fact. And they were also put up as a symbol of racial intimidation in order to remind the now freed slaves of their place in the post-civil war south while others were erected during the height of the Civil Rights movement for the very same reason. But you already know this cause you've been told it in previous topics. So you're either you're trolling or merely consider paint chips a delicacy.
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The government reminds all yous that the confederate statues will never threaten to stab you and, in fact, cannot speak. In the event that the confederate statues do speak, the government urges you to disregard its advice.

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Foppe posted...

Because if they are gone, they can start forgetting why they existed in the first place, whitewashing history into a happier place.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/0qTabSHhvZI/hqdefault.jpg
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It doesn't stop racism but it does stop honoring those individuals in publicly funded areas so it's a start in the right direction. Why should we have monuments of traitors and racists on public property?
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Vindris_SNH posted...

Prevents racism.

You've heard it here first folks! An inanimate object can prevent racism!
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They've been charged with vandalism. They'll be required to pay restitution for the damages they caused.

I guess they like the statue so much they thought the town should get a brand new one.
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It's kind of dumb. Really I would just add a Union hero statue to go with the confederate statue. Piss them off a different way.
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It doesn't do anything now but it sure as hell will protect the future gens from having to learn about this bullshit
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These statues belong in museums, not on public property.
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yoshirulezz1 posted...

It doesn't do anything now but it sure as hell will protect the future gens from having to learn about this bullshit

So they are also going to stop teaching about the American Civil War in school ?
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It starts riots.
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

Foppe posted...

Because if they are gone, they can start forgetting why they existed in the first place, whitewashing history into a happier place.

Putting them up in the first place was done in order to whitewash the reasons for the civil war and attribute the conflict to reasons that weren't true at the time but merely made up after the fact. And they were also put up as a symbol of racial intimidation in order to remind the now freed slaves of their place in the post-civil war south while others were erected during the height of the Civil Rights movement for the very same reason. But you already know this cause you've been told it in previous topics. So you're either you're trolling or merely consider paint chips a delicacy.

And as I said in the other topic, which you know, is that they want to whitewash the fact that they tried to whitewash history.
Starting to censor parts of your history that you dislike will just start a snowball effect where more and more gets censored. So what will the next step be?
Forgetting that we had Founding Fathers that had slaves, that lived on slaves and had no intention to give them freedom? That we had civil rights movements less than a lifetime ago? That we had a highranked Nazi helping us win the space race?
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PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

yoshirulezz1 posted...

It doesn't do anything now but it sure as hell will protect the future gens from having to learn about this bullshit

So they are also going to stop teaching about the American Civil War in school ?

It does sound much better if we skip that part, making it sound like we have always had a strong union since day one, right?
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Foppe posted...

3rd_Best_Master posted...

Foppe posted...

Because if they are gone, they can start forgetting why they existed in the first place, whitewashing history into a happier place.

Putting them up in the first place was done in order to whitewash the reasons for the civil war and attribute the conflict to reasons that weren't true at the time but merely made up after the fact. And they were also put up as a symbol of racial intimidation in order to remind the now freed slaves of their place in the post-civil war south while others were erected during the height of the Civil Rights movement for the very same reason. But you already know this cause you've been told it in previous topics. So you're either you're trolling or merely consider paint chips a delicacy.

And as I said in the other topic, which you know, is that they want to whitewash the fact that they tried to whitewash history.
Starting to censor parts of your history that you dislike will just start a snowball effect where more and more gets censored. So what will the next step be?
Forgetting that we had Founding Fathers that had slaves, that lived on slaves and had no intention to give them freedom? That we had civil rights movements less than a lifetime ago? That we had a highranked Nazi helping us win the space race?

Slippery slope is a fallacy for a reason and maintaining statues that were only erected as a means of racial intimidation is also downright idiotic. Our society no longer believes in the merits of enabling a silent minority that means to oppress black people from the shadows and I don't understand why you'd argue in favor of that.
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It just gives you your 15 minutes of fame
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The statues give people the impression there was any honor in the Confederate cause.
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do you think black people like seeing statues honoring people who fought in the name of keeping them as property? :u
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Because their shouldn't be a statue of the first Grand Wizard of the KKK on the busiest street in Memphis.
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Little if anything. People blaming the statues for systemic racism will wake up and find themselves in the same shitty life they had last month and will move on to something else to blame.

Of course since this only became this big fired up "must deal with now" issue in the last week, I'd say it's a fun bandwagon for people to jump on just to piss of Trump supporters whereas a week ago these were just things pigeons pooped on.
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lightwarrior78 posted...

Of course since this only became this big fired up "must deal with now" issue in the last week,

This has been simmering for decades.
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

Foppe posted...

3rd_Best_Master posted...

Foppe posted...

Because if they are gone, they can start forgetting why they existed in the first place, whitewashing history into a happier place.

Putting them up in the first place was done in order to whitewash the reasons for the civil war and attribute the conflict to reasons that weren't true at the time but merely made up after the fact. And they were also put up as a symbol of racial intimidation in order to remind the now freed slaves of their place in the post-civil war south while others were erected during the height of the Civil Rights movement for the very same reason. But you already know this cause you've been told it in previous topics. So you're either you're trolling or merely consider paint chips a delicacy.

And as I said in the other topic, which you know, is that they want to whitewash the fact that they tried to whitewash history.
Starting to censor parts of your history that you dislike will just start a snowball effect where more and more gets censored. So what will the next step be?
Forgetting that we had Founding Fathers that had slaves, that lived on slaves and had no intention to give them freedom? That we had civil rights movements less than a lifetime ago? That we had a highranked Nazi helping us win the space race?

Slippery slope is a fallacy for a reason and maintaining statues that were only erected as a means of racial intimidation is also downright idiotic. Our society no longer believes in the merits of enabling a silent minority that means to oppress black people from the shadows and I don't understand why you'd argue in favor of that.

Censorship.
SJWs trying to make us look better than what we are.
Those who do not remember their past are condemned to repeat their mistakes.
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If you earnestly believe that symbols have no effect on people, you are the sort of naive I wish I could go back to.

The fact is, statues placed in places of honor are there to represent what a culture or people see themselves as or strive to be. It would reason that when those statues begin to represent something that no one wants to be anymore, they should be moved to a museum and make way for new ideas.

Foppe posted...

3rd_Best_Master posted...

Foppe posted...

3rd_Best_Master posted...

Foppe posted...

Because if they are gone, they can start forgetting why they existed in the first place, whitewashing history into a happier place.

Putting them up in the first place was done in order to whitewash the reasons for the civil war and attribute the conflict to reasons that weren't true at the time but merely made up after the fact. And they were also put up as a symbol of racial intimidation in order to remind the now freed slaves of their place in the post-civil war south while others were erected during the height of the Civil Rights movement for the very same reason. But you already know this cause you've been told it in previous topics. So you're either you're trolling or merely consider paint chips a delicacy.

And as I said in the other topic, which you know, is that they want to whitewash the fact that they tried to whitewash history.
Starting to censor parts of your history that you dislike will just start a snowball effect where more and more gets censored. So what will the next step be?
Forgetting that we had Founding Fathers that had slaves, that lived on slaves and had no intention to give them freedom? That we had civil rights movements less than a lifetime ago? That we had a highranked Nazi helping us win the space race?

Slippery slope is a fallacy for a reason and maintaining statues that were only erected as a means of racial intimidation is also downright idiotic. Our society no longer believes in the merits of enabling a silent minority that means to oppress black people from the shadows and I don't understand why you'd argue in favor of that.

Censorship.
SJWs trying to make us look better than what we are.
Those who do not remember their past are condemned to repeat their mistakes.

Would you support putting a statue of bin Laden on ground zero? I mean, you don't want to forget the past, do you?

If people thought of the Souths as we think of Bin Laden, then those statues would have never existed in the first place.
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BECAUSE TO YOU IT'S JUST A STATUE OF A GUY

To black people it's a statue of a guy that wanted people that look like you to either be enslaved or face death

Gee I wonder why
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Foppe posted...

If people thought of the Souths as we think of Bin Laden, then those statues would have never existed in the first place.

American Civil War is a weird time really

I don't think either side's people really lost sight of the other side being their fellow countrymen, their brothers

There's still a burgeoning respect for the military minds of the south, few of whom chose state loyalty over personal morals
It was a different time, and things like state identity and nationalism are vestiges in this global economy, so it's not hard to see why young and new adults are struggling to see
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Bok_Choi posted...

BECAUSE TO YOU IT'S JUST A STATUE OF A GUY

To black people it's a statue of a guy that wanted people that look like you to either be enslaved or face death

Gee I wonder why

Who says they have the authority to pull the statue down though? That's up to the city and whoever made the statue.
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_Goggalor_ posted...

Bok_Choi posted...

BECAUSE TO YOU IT'S JUST A STATUE OF A GUY

To black people it's a statue of a guy that wanted people that look like you to either be enslaved or face death

Gee I wonder why

Who says they have the authority to pull the statue down though?

That's not the argument being made.
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Kineth posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

Bok_Choi posted...

BECAUSE TO YOU IT'S JUST A STATUE OF A GUY

To black people it's a statue of a guy that wanted people that look like you to either be enslaved or face death

Gee I wonder why

Who says they have the authority to pull the statue down though?

That's not the argument being made.

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_Goggalor_ posted...

Bok_Choi posted...

BECAUSE TO YOU IT'S JUST A STATUE OF A GUY

To black people it's a statue of a guy that wanted people that look like you to either be enslaved or face death

Gee I wonder why

Who says they have the authority to pull the statue down though? That's up to the city and whoever made the statue.

They don't, but let's not act like bureaucracy is slow.

Like for example had people wanted for that statue in NC to go down (which the governor was already planning)

The first would of had to repeal a law the last governor did, which in a op senate would take forever, then had to research how to take me down the cost and where to put them.

They wouldn't be down till 2019 at the earliest
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Foppe posted...

If people thought of the Souths as we think of Bin Laden, then those statues would have never existed in the first place.

People did think of Robert E Lee like we think of Bin Laden. Black people. When those statues went up, they had no rights and were disenfranchised freedmen who could do nothing to stop it. That's why this whole argument that "we need to preserve the history" is faulty. By preserving the statues you're not preserving the history. You're remembering it as it didn't happen.