Current Events > Why was it so hard to make a good Sonic game?

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Last one I played was Colours and I remember enjoying that.
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Sonic Generations was legit good
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I actually enjoyed Sonic and the Secret Rings
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Coffeebeanz posted...

Sonic Generations was legit good

Lies, Sonic hasn't been good since Adventure 2
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ZombiePelican posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

Sonic Generations was legit good

Lies, Sonic hasn't been good since Adventure 2

BS.

Colours and Generations are good and Lost Worlds is ok.


06 made everyone hate 3D Sonic no matter what ffs.
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Colors, generations, mania. It can be done.
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I've always felt that Sonic doesn't belong in 3d

I also enjoyed playing Sonic Heroes. I prefer 3D over side scrolling because you feel like the Flash or another speedster when running forward instead of sideways.
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The original Dreamcast sonic games were not bad, but had bad ports, and since no one owns a Dreamcast anymore (sad face), you get more people with bad experiences replaying it or playing them for the first time on another platform. Doesn't account for all the other non-Dreamcast sonics though.

But I attribute the Sonic decline to Sega's restructuring after pulling out of the console market, and just struggling to make a quick profit instead of a long-term investment for a polished Sonic game.

With Sonic Mania, it was basically a low-risk for people willing to accept low-pay (I presume), allowing more freedom and time.

LightningAce11 posted...

I also enjoyed playing Sonic Heroes. I prefer 3D over side scrolling because you feel like the Flash or another speedster when running forward instead of sideways.

You enjoyed playing that piece of crap
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I mean, it was fun switching between 3 characters for different abilities.
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Kerred posted...

The original Dreamcast sonic games were not bad, but had bad ports, and since no one owns a Dreamcast anymore (sad face), you get more people with bad experiences replaying it or playing them for the first time on another platform. Doesn't account for all the other non-Dreamcast sonics though.

What was bad about the Adventure ports? I never played them but I've always heard they improve on the Dreamcast versions.
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The ports are absolutely fine if not better.
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One of those Youtube shows, either Extra Credits or that one Youtube series with the one guy monologuing over some pictures, made that point that Sega kind of bought into their own hype with Sonic. They marketed the original games as being about speed and going as fast as possible, but it was actually more about controlling the flow of movement.
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It's hard to make a good Sonic game because Sonic is a shitty side scrolling platformer, they all suck.
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ColdOne666 posted...

It's hard to make a good Sonic game because Sonic is a shitty side scrolling platformer, they all suck.

Careful you might cut yourself on that edge.
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It's all Sonic Team's fault.
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Mania was really well made though.
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Darkrobotisback posted...

Mania was really well made though.

@Darkrobotisback No one said it's bad.
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LightningAce11 posted...

I mean, it was fun switching between 3 characters for different abilities.

I played the game cube version and it's glitchy as fuck. I was only able to get all the chaos emeralds with team Amy because of big. Also team Amy was annoying as fuck. The music was sweet though so I'll give you that.
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Sonic's speed fit the Genesis games fine. But it's hard to have an extremely fast character control well in a platformer in 3D. Levels need to be massive enough to account for the rapid speed but also not just an auto-running piece of cake.

ZombiePelican posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

Sonic Generations was legit good

Lies, Sonic hasn't been good since Adventure 2

Both Colors and Generations are way better than Adventure 2.
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Sonic advance 1 was good

idk why CE pretends it doesn't exist
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BlazinBlue88 posted...

What was bad about the Adventure ports? I never played them but I've always heard they improve on the Dreamcast versions.

the art style change of sadx was controversial and there's a couple graphical errors introduced in the rereleases, such as missing lighting effects or incorrect graphics
the gamecube versions add more content and have better load times and presentation, and fix a lot of bugs of the original versions (though some new ones are added)

spikethedevil posted...

ZombiePelican posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

Sonic Generations was legit good

Lies, Sonic hasn't been good since Adventure 2

BS.

Colours and Generations are good and Lost Worlds is ok.


06 made everyone hate 3D Sonic no matter what ffs.

I recently learned that the reason 06 is so bad lies squarely on Microsoft's shoulders.
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even if 06 were "finished" it would probably be a buggy, padded, poorly designed piece of shit like the adventure games, heroes, and shadow were before it

Sonic Adventure 1 was okay. Sonic, Tails and Amy overall were fun. Knuckles and E-102 were okay. Big the Cat was bad. The story and hub worlds were cheesy fun.

I'm playing through SA2 now and near enough everything about it is a step down. I'm pretty impressed how they somehow managed that.
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It's not that it is hard to make a good Sonic game, it is just that for too long Sonic games didn't even need to be good and they would sell. So as far as Sega was concerned, why make quality a priority.