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emblem boy
08/14/17 11:14:10 AM
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The thing that people don't understand, is that if a person (say a Nazi) is skilled in a particular field, it's not only beneficial for that person to be employed, it's also beneficial for themselves...for the economy, and thus society as a whole. We all benefit from the hard work that other people do.

But sadly, we live in such a hate-filled society. And as such, we reap what we sow. We hurt ourselves by hurting others. I think mostly we don't see how it hurts ourselves, because we get taught at such a young age that punishing bad people is always good for everyone.


What if it's a position that has them in change of hiring or a position in law enforcement?


Then I say still let them keep their job. Of course, if they are not hiring qualified candidates because of their race as a hiring manager, or if you're targeting people of a specific race to arrest and harass as a cop, then you aren't demonstrating that you are a "skilled" worker.


I guess the thing is how much you truly think the person wouldn't let their personal feelings impact their job, either in the past or in the future.
I mean, if I had a kid and I found out his teacher had beliefs like that, I for sure would not let my kid be in that teachers class. So ya, the school might not have to fire the teacher, but they'd be losing students.
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emblem boy
08/14/17 11:23:46 AM
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The thing that people don't understand, is that if a person (say a Nazi) is skilled in a particular field, it's not only beneficial for that person to be employed, it's also beneficial for themselves...for the economy, and thus society as a whole. We all benefit from the hard work that other people do.

But sadly, we live in such a hate-filled society. And as such, we reap what we sow. We hurt ourselves by hurting others. I think mostly we don't see how it hurts ourselves, because we get taught at such a young age that punishing bad people is always good for everyone.


What if it's a position that has them in change of hiring or a position in law enforcement?


Then I say still let them keep their job. Of course, if they are not hiring qualified candidates because of their race as a hiring manager, or if you're targeting people of a specific race to arrest and harass as a cop, then you aren't demonstrating that you are a "skilled" worker.


I guess the thing is how much you truly think the person wouldn't let their personal feelings impact their job, either in the past or in the future.
I mean, if I had a kid and I found out his teacher had beliefs like that, I for sure would not let my kid be in that teachers class. So ya, the school might not have to fire the teacher, but they'd be losing students.


I would say that if a teacher was adept at teaching students, then his beliefs really don't matter. If the teacher is bringing their beliefs into the classroom, and teaching certain things that obviously shouldn't be, and treating students in an unprofessional manner, then they aren't a good teacher.

It really is kind of a catch-22 question. A "known" Nazi is likely not going to be a good worker. However, white supremacists that keep their opinions on the down-low are more common than you all think. Most of them stay professional, treat people equally, and are next to impossible to distinguish from non supremacists. If I found out one of my employees was a Nazi simply because he invited me over to his house and I saw a book about white supremacy on his coffee table, and that was the only reason I could ever tell, I certainly wouldn't take any action. But if he's "known" because he was on TV or social media waiving flags and shouting racist shit, or had swastikas tattooed all over his body in plain view, then that's probably going to be way different.


I mean this is the situation we're talking about in this hypothetical.
This isn't about someone being a low key white nationalist.

The thing is, both sides are making an assumption. One side is assuming the teacher wouldn't let their personal believes influence their job and the other is assuming they would.
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Veggeta_MAX
08/14/17 11:29:24 AM
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These guys who went to the rally had nothing but conviction with them but once the reality of being labeled as a Nazi hit them they knew they done fucked up. No sympathy for them.
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Kineth
08/14/17 11:37:21 AM
#107:


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How the fuck does this board have so many low lives who are sympathizing with white supremacists and Nazis? This shit is gross. "Think of the Nazi children" ain't a fucking excuse to let Nazi parents threaten our fucking country.


I know right?
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ToonLinkWithGun
08/14/17 11:43:05 AM
#108:


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How the fuck does this board have so many low lives who are sympathizing with white supremacists and Nazis? This shit is gross. "Think of the Nazi children" ain't a fucking excuse to let Nazi parents threaten our fucking country.

Oh I'm sorry. Fuck those kids! Piece of shit Nazi filth
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OctilIery
08/14/17 11:45:50 AM
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shockthemonkey posted...
How the fuck does this board have so many low lives who are sympathizing with white supremacists and Nazis? This shit is gross. "Think of the Nazi children" ain't a fucking excuse to let Nazi parents threaten our fucking country.


There's a lot of people here that want to act like they actually support a Nazi's right to 'express free speech'

I do too. And I want to support the rights of others to enforce social consequences, within reason.
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DifferentialEquation
08/14/17 11:53:04 AM
#111:


shockthemonkey posted...
How the fuck does this board have so many low lives who are sympathizing with white supremacists and Nazis? This shit is gross. "Think of the Nazi children" ain't a fucking excuse to let Nazi parents threaten our fucking country.


I don't blame any company that fires them. But I'd rather that they at least have to earn a paycheck by being useful to someone instead of taking unemployment or other benefits.
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ToonLinkWithGun
08/14/17 11:55:42 AM
#112:


DifferentialEquation posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
How the fuck does this board have so many low lives who are sympathizing with white supremacists and Nazis? This shit is gross. "Think of the Nazi children" ain't a fucking excuse to let Nazi parents threaten our fucking country.


I don't blame any company that fires them. But I'd rather that they at least have to earn a paycheck by being useful to someone instead of taking unemployment or other benefits.

And that's what they will all do. People are upset we can't hang them so the best way to stick it to these people is to fire them, which does nothing as they can just get government assistance. All this is doing is making doxxing okay.
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Raikuro
08/14/17 12:09:10 PM
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I feel sorry for their families and kids


That's as far as it goes in regards to sympathy

I feel sorry for the family having to live with a Nazi influencing their personal life, regardless of them being fired or not
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Antifar
08/14/17 2:35:07 PM
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You cannot be an open white supremacist and "not have it impact your job." It is bullshit to put the onus of assuming nothing untoward is happening in the workplace on non-white coworkers.
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emblem boy
08/14/17 2:43:06 PM
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I don't get why people have so much faith that these guys wouldn't let their beliefs regarding race impact their job.

We're not talking about closeted white nationalists, we're talking about ones that came to this rally.

Ya we shouldn't buy into what they're preaching and should denounce the ideas, but if an open white supremacists is a police officer, can you truly say people would feel comfortable with them having that type of power and responsibility?

Even if they keep working, it wouldn't be far-fetched to want everything they do, to be reviewed in some way
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
08/14/17 2:58:46 PM
#122:


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And it's almost certain none of the "Nazis" are actual Nazis but guys who told semi-racist jokes to the wrong co-worker.


Uhhh, how is that not worthy of termination? Racism has no place in the workplace even in jest. I'd fire anyone that made a racist joke.


My coworker is black. I am Irish. I have a feeling you wouldn't like us. We feel that people that go to HR over such matters are pussies that deserve an ass whoppin and probably don't get laid.
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lightwarrior78
08/14/17 3:24:36 PM
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People cheer this, but if it went the other way there would be insane mass outrage.


If what went the other way?


If say, people went out espousing communist views suddenly started losing their jobs (again, as that happened historically). There's be hell to pay if someone lost their job for an occupy wall street rally, or just half the more pro-communist shit posted online. For that matter, being gay was once a great way to lose your job because it was seen as degenerate behavior people didn't want to consort with.

Nazi's joined Commie as a term tossed out far to freely for me to take seriously. Even seeing the symbols only makes me wonder if they really believe in the philosophy, or if they just went out to trigger as many leftists as possible.
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Antifar
08/14/17 3:26:01 PM
#124:


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Even seeing the symbols only makes me wonder if they really believe in the philosophy,

They chanted "blood and soil."
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Kineth
08/14/17 4:06:39 PM
#125:


The same people who suggest this 'handle with care' bullshit think I'm pro-cop killing because I defend BLM. Calling them hypocrites doesn't seem scathing enough.
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hockeybub89
08/14/17 4:19:36 PM
#126:


If you don't want people to negatively judge you, then don't go to Nazi rallies in an age where everyone has a camera. You can exercise your free speech and so can everyone who thinks you're a dirty white supremacist.
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Darmik
08/14/17 6:23:22 PM
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"How can we live in such a hate filled society where people won't hire Nazis?!"

lmao
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Delirious_Beard
08/14/17 6:35:33 PM
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yeah this will just feed their victim complex even more
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Kineth
08/15/17 4:39:53 AM
#132:


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yeah this will just feed their victim complex even more


Well, without a job they can only buy so much kleenex for their tears for so long.
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CM_Ponch
08/15/17 4:50:57 AM
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Are people seriously defending nazis
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Kineth
08/15/17 4:52:41 AM
#134:


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Are people seriously defending nazis


People on this board have SERIOUSLY BEEN DEFENDING NAZIS for 3 days now.


Reminder, when I said there was a lot of racist rhetoric on this board, I wasn't blowing smoke out of my ass.

They'll hide behind their apologism, making it about free speech, making it about kids that have a parent who can't support them because they lost their job. Hell, some have even suggested that BLM was the reason that this protest happened and the ones that stopped short of blaming them for why someone was murdered at the rally are the ones that aren't suspended right now.

Yes, there are some ACTUAL fucking racists on this board. It was never a fucking joke.
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Raikuro
08/15/17 10:20:04 AM
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fenderbender321 posted...
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I also think that being exposed as a Neo-Nazi and getting fired from your job for it will inhibit a person from gaining meaningful work after that. A person will likely end up on welfare.


And so what does society gain in a situation where a Neo-Nazi ends up on welfare?

What does society gain from telling Neo-Nazis their views are tolerable?
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Mernardi
08/15/17 10:23:19 AM
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Asherlee10 posted...
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fenderbender321 posted...
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I also think that being exposed as a Neo-Nazi and getting fired from your job for it will inhibit a person from gaining meaningful work after that. A person will likely end up on welfare.


And so what does society gain in a situation where a Neo-Nazi ends up on welfare?

What does society gain from telling Neo-Nazis their views are tolerable?

This is a reminder that fender argued in favor of lowering the age of consent to like 10. You're not going to get rational answers from him.


Is he purposely like this, or is this a gimmick?

He was dropped on the head as a baby
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YourDrunkFather
08/15/17 11:16:29 AM
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Kineth posted...
CM_Ponch posted...
Are people seriously defending nazis


People on this board have SERIOUSLY BEEN DEFENDING NAZIS for 3 days now.


Reminder, when I said there was a lot of racist rhetoric on this board, I wasn't blowing smoke out of my ass.

They'll hide behind their apologism, making it about free speech, making it about kids that have a parent who can't support them because they lost their job. Hell, some have even suggested that BLM was the reason that this protest happened and the ones that stopped short of blaming them for why someone was murdered at the rally are the ones that aren't suspended right now.

Yes, there are some ACTUAL fucking racists on this board. It was never a fucking joke.


So when are you going to get your family in the Nation of Islam fired Kineth? Or are you only against hate groups when they're white?
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