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DoctorVader posted...

@pinky0926

I don't know about all the deeper DT stuff you're talking about. I meant something like telling a chick you're down for a relationship and then ghosting her after sex. I'm going by just everyday posts I've been seeing for years. It's not mostly the stuff you're talking about. It's mostly about staying aware and people's negative experiences and trying to get advice on it. You take the good and flush the rest.

My point has been more that it's just normal shit. People underestimate the amount of men that think like this by several magnitudes. That it's far from just losers or neckbeards. That's why I made my OP. Because the aggression is always towards the latter group, which makes me question if people are just sheltered or just don't know other none-neckbeard males.

I agree that people are far too impressionable to the internet today and that someone that can't filter it can take the wrong shit from it, but it's not that serious imo.

Right, but telling a woman you're down for a relationship and then ghosting after sex is just the same old shitty thing guys have been doing since forever. It's weird to give that an entire scientific sounding theory to try and justify it and then build an internet community and movement around that, complete with strategies and acronyms and guides on how best to fuck with people. That display a certain level of anti-social behaviour I honestly find unsettling.

I think the aggression you're talking about comes from the fact that this community does nothing to denounce all the "deeper DT stuff". It welcomes and encourages it, and is therefore completely valid to criticise. You don't see people going "woah bro, we're just here to step up our sex life, not manipulate women". Manipulating women is the entire point of theredpill, even if different subsets of the community apparently draw the line at different levels of straight up emotional abuse.

I really don't care if the dude I'm talking about is wearing a fedora or was on the cover of Mens Fitness magazine. I'm not going to respect the ideas being put down there.

If lying to women about a potential relationship just so you can fuck her is your game, then own it. But don't come at me like it's totally fine and not a problem or a bad thing to do.
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awesome999 posted...

Whose alt are you tc?

Why is that important?

The trick to detecting a redpiller is just to tell them you're waiting for marriage. :u If they lose all interest, you know they're just after the sex.
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

The trick to detecting a redpiller is just to tell them you're waiting for marriage. :u If they lose all interest, you know they're just after the sex.

I don't think the only people interested in sex are red pillars.

pinky0926 posted...

Right, but telling a woman you're down for a relationship and then ghosting after sex is just the same old shitty thing guys have been doing since forever. It's weird to give that an entire scientific sounding theory to try and justify it and then build an internet community and movement around that, complete with strategies and acronyms and guides on how best to fuck with people. That display a certain level of anti-social behaviour I honestly find unsettling.

But it's not just that. You're going backwards now.

pinky0926 posted...

I think the aggression you're talking about comes from the fact that this community does nothing to denounce all the "deeper DT stuff". It welcomes and encourages it, and is therefore completely valid to criticise. You don't see people going "woah bro, we're just here to step up our sex life, not manipulate women". Manipulating women is the entire point of theredpill, even if different subsets of the community apparently draw the line at different levels of straight up emotional abuse.

Reread my post.

pinky0926 posted...

I really don't care if the dude I'm talking about is wearing a fedora or was on the cover of Mens Fitness magazine. I'm not going to respect the ideas being put down there.

Ok, so then my OP was not meant for you then.

pinky0926 posted...

If lying to women about a potential relationship just so you can fuck her is your game, then own it. But don't come at me like it's totally fine and not a problem or a bad thing to do.

Oh shut up.
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Milo_Yiannopous posted...

OpheliaAdenade posted...

The trick to detecting a redpiller is just to tell them you're waiting for marriage. :u If they lose all interest, you know they're just after the sex.

I don't think the only people interested in sex are red pillars.

What kind of man doesn't respect a woman trying to protect her virtue? A redpiller, that's who.
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DoctorVader posted...

But it's not just that. You're going backwards now.

Dude, no matter how many positives you can find in red pill theory, the basis of it is "how to manipulate women better than they manipulate you". There's no coming back from that. Either you think that's cool or you don't.

Reread my post.

It's far from "normal shit" to form an entire theory and community around the premise of how to fuck with people most effectively.

Yeah, I get what you're trying to say. "People don't realise that it's not just loser neckbeards, lots of regular dudes act this way". But you're not listening to what I'm saying: nobody should act this way, and it should not be normal, or encouraged, or casually dismissed just because "lots of dudes do it".

I called you out

if you're gonna proudly state that you use women for sex, I'm gonna call you out on that. Don't post things and then get mad when people comment on it.
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pinky0926 posted...

Dude, no matter how many positives you can find in red pill theory, the basis of it is "how to manipulate women better than they manipulate you". There's no coming back from that. Either you think that's cool or you don't.

Ok

pinky0926 posted...

It's far from "normal shit" to form an entire theory and community around the premise of how to fuck with people most effectively.

Yeah, I get what you're trying to say. "People don't realise that it's not just loser neckbeards, lots of regular dudes act this way". But you're not listening to what I'm saying: nobody should act this way, and it should not be normal, or encouraged, or casually dismissed just because "lots of dudes do it".

Again, reread my post. Third time's the charm.

pinky0926 posted...

if you're gonna proudly state that you use women for sex, I'm gonna call you out on that. Don't post things and then get mad when people comment on it.

Lol, I never said I do that. Regardless, you're taking this too seriously and acting too sensitive and need to cut the dramatics that's why I told you to shut up. You didn't call me out on anything.
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Twinmold posted...

Godnorgosh posted...

I think we should seek to understand people's frustration with their sex lives or dating lives and treat them with compassion while also making clear that these attitudes aren't okay and won't help them actually solve their problems.

We aren't there moms. It's better to just point and laugh, because you can't help these people, but you can help remind them that we think they're unrespectable trash so they stay inside. The smart ones will figure it out, and fuck the rest.

This guy gets it

I think doctor vader is a redpiller. :v
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Did "redpill" come from something besides The Matrix? Because that's what my mind leaps to every time (contextually it makes sense, I just want to be sure that I not living in a narrow pool of social references).
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Solid Sonic posted...

Did "redpill" come from something besides The Matrix? Because that's what my mind leaps to every time (contextually it makes sense, I just want to be sure that I not living in a narrow pool of social references).

That's what it comes from. Essentially they feel they're woke to a reality that most people don't experience or see.
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That I understood, I just thought maybe The Matrix was making literal an existing turn of phrase that I hadn't heard of prior to watching it.
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

Milo_Yiannopous posted...

OpheliaAdenade posted...

The trick to detecting a redpiller is just to tell them you're waiting for marriage. :u If they lose all interest, you know they're just after the sex.

I don't think the only people interested in sex are red pillars.

What kind of man doesn't respect a woman trying to protect her virtue? A redpiller, that's who.

A man can respect it, doesn't mean he have to deal with it. Don't know anybody who would wait that long.

Teddytalks posted...

A man can respect it, doesn't mean he have to deal with it. Don't know anybody who would wait that long.

You don't know very many decent men then. :u
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Asherlee10 posted...

Number39 posted...

it's easy for pinky to speak when he lives the life that most TRPers want naturally

don't ruin it for the rest of them

That isn't an excuse, though.

Most people are generally attractive. With a little effort, most people are datable.

Lol no they are not

This is generally attractive.



THIS is not most people. If you don't look like this, you are not date able based on looks alone.

I love how CE will defend these guys but feminists are dismissed out of hand and anyone who defends them is a white knight. No bias there at all.
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legendary_zell posted...

I love how CE will defend these guys but feminists are dismissed out of hand and anyone who defends them is a white knight. No bias there at all.

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Don't talk to Look Money Status. Being a bitterbeard is his entire gimmick, and I honestly believe he hates those types of people and imitates them to mock them.
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Asherlee10 posted...

LookMoneyStatus posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Number39 posted...

it's easy for pinky to speak when he lives the life that most TRPers want naturally

don't ruin it for the rest of them

That isn't an excuse, though.

Most people are generally attractive. With a little effort, most people are datable.

Lol no they are not

This is generally attractive.



THIS is not most people

No, that is EXCEPTIONALLY attractive. That isn't even close to a norm.

Most people who care about their appearance are attractive. That means not being fat, exercising a little, and dressing well.

Cope. If you are not exceptionally attractive, you aren't dating based on looks alone

End of story. A haircut and grooming doesn't make you as good as THIS. You could exercise, dress well and STILL Be unattractive. Why? Due to facial features. Long philtrum, weak jaw, receding chin, big nose, over eyelid exposure,big ears,etc

legendary_zell posted...

I love how CE will defend these guys but feminists are dismissed out of hand and anyone who defends them is a white knight. No bias there at all.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZpE6xMoPRVI/VrQqJHNWORI/AAAAAAAAAEk/wFu26OdSN0U/s1600/StrawMan2.jpg
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I'm going to be bold, and I dare someone to challenge me on this statement

IF YOU DONT HAVE MODEL QUALITIES, YOU ARE NOT ATTRACTIVE LOOKING

End of story. It's either be ugly, be average, or be attractive.

Also, clothes don't have that big of an impact on looks compared to facial structure.

Why? Lets point this out. The guy in the pic is wearing a simple shirt. So if that guy is wearing just a basic tee, why would any other person be "generally" attractive from better looking clothes?

It just points out that the FACE is most important. Height is next(imo). Not Clothes, Not haircuts, FACE

Twinmold posted...

Don't talk to Look Money Status. Being a bitterbeard is his entire gimmick, and I honestly believe he hates those types of people and imitates them to mock them.

Everything I say is true though. The only way to date if you aren't a model, is if you have lots of $$$$ or status to compensate. In terms of true looks, people will always fail. Why?

Because women will go for the best of the best in terms of men. If not for their pure genetics, then for $$$ which provides financial STABILITY

Average people cannot get women or have sex purely from their looks

Grooming and taking care of yourself provides little boost in ratings to make you look like a chad or good looking!

LookMoneyStatus posted...

Twinmold posted...

Don't talk to Look Money Status. Being a bitterbeard is his entire gimmick, and I honestly believe he hates those types of people and imitates them to mock them.

Everything I say is true though. The only way to date if you aren't a model, is if you have lots of $$$$ or status to compensate. In terms of true looks, people will always fail. Why?

Because women will go for the best of the best in terms of men. If not for their pure genetics, then for $$$ which provides financial STABILITY

Average people cannot get women or have sex purely from their looks

Grooming and taking care of yourself provides little boost in ratings to make you look like a chad or good looking!

so why do people think they're entitled to someone else's body?
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Asherlee10 posted...

LookMoneyStatus posted...

Cope. If you are not exceptionally attractive, you aren't dating based on looks alone

End of story. A haircut and grooming doesn't make you as good as THIS. You could exercise, dress well and STILL Be unattractive. Why? Due to facial features. Long philtrum, weak jaw, receding chin, big nose, over eyelid exposure,big ears,etc

No, you clearly have some deep-seated issues with this topic. You're under the impression that unless your face is a 9/10 or 10/10 you're undatable and that's just plain ignorant.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with average attractiveness, which is what most people are. A person's average attractiveness can be improved with a little effort, too.

I think that people who aren't models are undatable unless they have lots of $$$ to compensate. Or status.

Average attractiveness is something women hate! Because most women despise men who don't fit the good looking 6 foot chad or male model that movies like to praise. In 2017 and up, women have little reason to go with normal guys, when they can go for the best of the best. Also, there are limits to improving.

For example: You can't improve your height or facial structure normally. Both of these are EXTREMELY IMPORTANT for attractiveness.

averagejoel posted...

LookMoneyStatus posted...

Twinmold posted...

Don't talk to Look Money Status. Being a bitterbeard is his entire gimmick, and I honestly believe he hates those types of people and imitates them to mock them.

Everything I say is true though. The only way to date if you aren't a model, is if you have lots of $$$$ or status to compensate. In terms of true looks, people will always fail. Why?

Because women will go for the best of the best in terms of men. If not for their pure genetics, then for $$$ which provides financial STABILITY

Average people cannot get women or have sex purely from their looks

Grooming and taking care of yourself provides little boost in ratings to make you look like a chad or good looking!

so why do people think they're entitled to someone else's body?

Because men are raised in a generation where being a virgin or not having a GF means that you are completely and utterly pathetic. Society essentially looks down on men who are unable to get a partner.

And to add on, women also have a cheat code for attractiveness. They can easily boost up with make up, and it's acceptable to do so.

Guys don't really have that same luxury. Most guys can't wear makeup or do what they can to hide their flaws without getting called out or insulted for it.

LookMoneyStatus posted...

averagejoel posted...

LookMoneyStatus posted...

Twinmold posted...

Don't talk to Look Money Status. Being a bitterbeard is his entire gimmick, and I honestly believe he hates those types of people and imitates them to mock them.

Everything I say is true though. The only way to date if you aren't a model, is if you have lots of $$$$ or status to compensate. In terms of true looks, people will always fail. Why?

Because women will go for the best of the best in terms of men. If not for their pure genetics, then for $$$ which provides financial STABILITY

Average people cannot get women or have sex purely from their looks

Grooming and taking care of yourself provides little boost in ratings to make you look like a chad or good looking!

so why do people think they're entitled to someone else's body?

Because men are raised in a generation where being a virgin or not having a GF means that you are completely and utterly pathetic. Society essentially looks down on men who are unable to get a partner.

ok

so instead of sympathizing with their toxic attitudes, work on combatting those societal problems. simple
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averagejoel posted...

LookMoneyStatus posted...

averagejoel posted...

LookMoneyStatus posted...

Twinmold posted...

Don't talk to Look Money Status. Being a bitterbeard is his entire gimmick, and I honestly believe he hates those types of people and imitates them to mock them.

Everything I say is true though. The only way to date if you aren't a model, is if you have lots of $$$$ or status to compensate. In terms of true looks, people will always fail. Why?

Because women will go for the best of the best in terms of men. If not for their pure genetics, then for $$$ which provides financial STABILITY

Average people cannot get women or have sex purely from their looks

Grooming and taking care of yourself provides little boost in ratings to make you look like a chad or good looking!

so why do people think they're entitled to someone else's body?

Because men are raised in a generation where being a virgin or not having a GF means that you are completely and utterly pathetic. Society essentially looks down on men who are unable to get a partner.

ok

so instead of sympathizing with their toxic attitudes, work on combatting those societal problems. simple

That would work if men could go on a drug that helps get rid of their attraction to the opposite sex. that way, they won't have any feelings or physical attraction for women, and would not care.

The other would be based on willpower and going through lots of experiences to the point where they become angry and swear off all women.

Asherlee10 posted...

LookMoneyStatus posted...

I think that people who aren't models are undatable unless they have lots of $$$ to compensate. Or status.

Nothing else needs to be read about your opinion this matter once you've stated this.

This is just absolutely wrong and absurd.

I don't know any woman who is going to want to stay with a guy who doesn't have financial stability.

MGTOW is just comedy relief for me. Couldn't learn the game so they stop playing instead of improving. I've seen some of the ugliest men with the most gorgeous women and understand confidence is a major part of that.
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JadeBaby posted...

MGTOW is just comedy relief for me. Couldn't learn the game so they stop playing instead of improving. I've seen some of the ugliest men with the most gorgeous women and understand confidence is a major part of that.

People may be overestimating how many of these guys are neckbeards vs. divorced men who have been fucked over by the family court system.
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tennisdude818 posted...

People may be overestimating how many of these guys are neckbeards vs. divorced men who have been fucked over by the family court system.

This a lot of them are divorced guys who woke to the reality that women get into relationships for status or money not love
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assassingriskel posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

People may be overestimating how many of these guys are neckbeards vs. divorced men who have been fucked over by the family court system.

This a lot of them are divorced guys who woke to the reality that women get into relationships for status or money not love

<_<
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GameFAQS:

Can't beat a game? OMG! Git gud scrub! It's not the game's fault you suck!

Can't attract a woman? OMG! Women are evil and shallow! None of this is my fault! Why is life so unfair to men like me!?

This a lot of them are divorced guys who woke to the reality that women get into relationships for status or money not love

Why are so many users in a rush to let everyone know they've had zero success with the ladies?
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Twinmold posted...

GameFAQS:

Can't beat a game? OMG! Git gud scrub! It's not the game's fault you suck!

Can't attract a woman? OMG! Women are evil and shallow! None of this is my fault! Why is life so unfair to men like me!?

There is always a strategy to beat a game. And even one strategy can work for every person or for a majority of people

Attracting women has several different factors beyond our control.

Twinmold posted...

GameFAQS:

Can't beat a game? OMG! Git gud scrub! It's not the game's fault you suck!

Can't attract a woman? OMG! Women are evil and shallow! None of this is my fault! Why is life so unfair to men like me!?

This a lot of them are divorced guys who woke to the reality that women get into relationships for status or money not love

Why are so many users in a rush to let everyone know they've had zero success with the ladies?

If you can't accept reality that's on you not me
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LookMoneyStatus posted...

There is always a strategy to beat a game.

MGTOW is literally doing it Wargames style and dropping out.
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Number39 posted...

it's easy for pinky to speak when he lives the life that most TRPers want naturally

don't ruin it for the rest of them

Who would have thought that taking care of yourself, working out, working on your sense of style, putting yourself out there, making an effort to better understand what dating is like for women, pursuing a career, following your passions, constantly trying and learning to be a better guy all round...who would have guessed that eventually you'd start becoming a more appealing dating prospect?

Nah, better sit in my room in my cargo shorts and blame women and my lack of god-given alpha personality for my involuntary celibacy.

Thing is, you say these things like I don't know what it's like. Do you know why I get fired up about these topics? It's not because it's always been easy. The complete opposite. Here's me at 19 (far right):



Do you think that pinky was drowning in pussy? Or do you think maybe that pinky was every girl's "harmless friend", starved of affection and trying to figure out why...
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