Current Events > Why do people cheer when black people become white characters?

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And why does it never happen for other races? Why is black the only race that diversity enthusiasists care about?

How many other races have had tis treatment? I can honestly not recall any Mexicans, Asians, or other races who got the treatment.
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"Cheer" is being dramatic.
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Because it shows we're not racist anymore. Black people aren't being exploited anymore. They're just being used to grab media attention and sell tickets. It's progress.
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Marvo Rocks posted...

Because it shows we're not racist anymore. Black people aren't being exploited anymore. They're just being used to grab media attention and sell tickets. It's progress.

So tell me where the middle ground between those are. I have a feeling there isn't one for people in this mindstate.
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TC taking his crabby bucket ass to a different topic.
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

TC taking his crabby bucket ass to a different topic.

Asian hater

Do Americans really clap when a black actor plays a tradionally white character?
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Tezlok posted...

3rd_Best_Master posted...

TC taking his crabby bucket ass to a different topic.

Asian hater

Nope
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Why are you still melting down about this
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

Marvo Rocks posted...

Because it shows we're not racist anymore. Black people aren't being exploited anymore. They're just being used to grab media attention and sell tickets. It's progress.

So tell me where the middle ground between those are. I have a feeling there isn't one for people in this mindstate.

Well there isn't really a 'middle ground' as it's more or less just a modern version of the same old thing.

But I suppose what you're looking for is a better alternative. Which would be black people being given opportunities because of their talent and skill, rather than because of their skin colour.
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Marvo Rocks posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Marvo Rocks posted...

Because it shows we're not racist anymore. Black people aren't being exploited anymore. They're just being used to grab media attention and sell tickets. It's progress.

So tell me where the middle ground between those are. I have a feeling there isn't one for people in this mindstate.

Well there isn't really a 'middle ground' as it's more or less just a modern version of the same old thing.

But I suppose what you're looking for is a better alternative. Which would be black people being given opportunities because of their talent and skill, rather than because of their skin colour.

Yeah. You got it.
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Marvo Rocks posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Marvo Rocks posted...

Because it shows we're not racist anymore. Black people aren't being exploited anymore. They're just being used to grab media attention and sell tickets. It's progress.

So tell me where the middle ground between those are. I have a feeling there isn't one for people in this mindstate.

Well there isn't really a 'middle ground' as it's more or less just a modern version of the same old thing.

But I suppose what you're looking for is a better alternative. Which would be black people being given opportunities because of their talent and skill, rather than because of their skin colour.

Oh snap.
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Hey, y'all are the ones suggesting that the positions are only given to them because of their skin color. You have no clue if they happened to actually do a great job at the audition and got cast on merit.
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It has a lot to do with actors and available roles.

With the increase in black television shows, movies and production roles it's a lot of young black actors soaking up a lot of the roles.
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For many, they just like the victory lap at some trophy victory in online culture wars.

Hence it isn't [actor] cast as [character] but, It's black [actor] cast as while [character] when the news blogs write about it.
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Kineth posted...

Hey, y'all are the ones suggesting that the positions are only given to them because of their skin color. You have no clue if they happened to actually do a great job at the audition and got cast on merit.

I'm not saying it's the case with all black actors. Some genuinely do get the roles because of their talent, and that's how it should be. But it'd be naive to pretend that Hollywood execs aren't aware of and exploiting the fact that there's a buzz if a black actor gets a major role, particularly if it's of a traditionally white character.
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I would actually be 1000% ok with Steel and Cyborg becoming household names with well-produced high-budget films.
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@Kineth posted...

Hey, y'all are the ones suggesting that the positions are only given to them because of their skin color. You have no clue if they happened to actually do a great job at the audition and got cast on merit.

Good to see you back bro.
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Heimdal. The answer is Heimdal.

It is funny to me that it's only acceptable when white characters have their race changed just because but the reverse is cause for outrage.
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Deadpool_18 posted...

It is funny to me that it's only acceptable when white characters have their race changed just because but the reverse is cause for outrage.

There's been Last Airbender and Pat Boone. That's about it.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Deadpool_18 posted...

It is funny to me that it's only acceptable when white characters have their race changed just because but the reverse is cause for outrage.

There's been Last Airbender and Pat Boone. That's about it.

People were angry over absolutely nothing when Iron Fist was announced. Dare I even mention Dragonball?
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Deadpool_18 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Deadpool_18 posted...

It is funny to me that it's only acceptable when white characters have their race changed just because but the reverse is cause for outrage.

There's been Last Airbender and Pat Boone. That's about it.

People were angry over absolutely nothing when Iron Fist was announced.

I'm pretty sure we can blame Last Airbender and Dragonball Evolution for that.

Kineth posted...

Hey, y'all are the ones suggesting that the positions are only given to them because of their skin color. You have no clue if they happened to actually do a great job at the audition and got cast on merit.

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MC_BatCommander posted...

Why are you still melting down about this

TC is Zikten

Deadpool_18 posted...

It is funny to me that it's only acceptable when white characters have their race changed just because but the reverse is cause for outrage.

It has more to do with white (and you could include male and straight as well, for those genderbend adaptions) being the 'default' character setting.
Since this usually comes up with regards to comic book characters and their movie/tv adaptions, we can look at when most popular characters were created and see that most were from 50+ years ago. The characters they created were almost always white men. If they weren't white men, their origins / major plots had to do with the fact they were women or minorities. Almost no white male character had a plot point or backstory that hinged on being a white man.

Now granted, there are exceptions. For instance, Captain America is a tall white man with blond hair and blue eyes. He was the perfect Aryan race, yet he fought against Nazi Germany.
Another example would be someone like Batman. The Wayne's are old money. They have to be so rich and connected they exist before the USA was a country. Realistically, this means they have to be white.
Now, both of those examples could be subverted. Captain America and Batman could be titles they pass on. Perhaps Captain America was used in the Pacific Theater and was a Japanese-American. Maybe black people were never enslaved or segregated, allowing a black man with the last name of Wayne to build up a business empire. Or possibly Martha Kane was a black woman who married Thomas Wayne, allowing Bruce to be biracial.
Those could all be possible ways to get around it, but they all start to change fundamental parts of the characters origins. Fun for an alternate universe, but a little far out there for an adaption.

Compare that to someone like Johnny Storm. Nothing about him is that he's white. He has to be a good looking charmer who is cocky. That could be any race. He also has to have a sister, but since Fantastic Four is about family in all forms, having a step-sibling or adoption is just as good.
Or maybe we could talk about someone like Luke Cage, whose origins include the disparity between black prisoners and white prisoners, and how many of the stories he's known for go over police brutality.
And Wonder Woman, whose origins include coming from a woman-only island and her place in a Man's World.

etc.

I guess the point is that for most characters who aren't a minority or female, them being a white man has very little impact on their story. There are those where it does matter, but they're the exception rather than the rule. The opposite is true of female and minority characters, where there are only a few characters whose race/gender could be changed with little problems (Blade comes to mind, for instance).

So in that sense, having accepted that, they move on to realizing that 90% of the popular characters were created as straight white men, and that they could be changed with little issue. Add in that a lot of people do want diversity (or at the least don't care one way or the other), and it seems like a safe bet to change it up a bit.
The usual answer is 'why not just create new characters who are minorities?'
And the answer is always the same: new characters are almost never popular. Kamela Khan is the most popular new character, and she's a legacy character. X-23 is the same (and wasn't even created in comics).
Deadpool is very popular, but he's from 20 years ago.

I don't know. I think it's overblown anyway, cause adaptions are never 100% and characterization bothers me more than appearances when changed. Plus, if I wanted more of the same I can just read my comics.
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FrenchCrunch posted...

TC is Zikten

Really? Lol
Wonder how he feels about his God Emperor threatening his state. Probably still drinking the koolaid.

Hinakuluiau posted...

Deadpool_18 posted...

It is funny to me that it's only acceptable when white characters have their race changed just because but the reverse is cause for outrage.

It has more to do with white (and you could include male and straight as well, for those genderbend adaptions) being the 'default' character setting.
Since this usually comes up with regards to comic book characters and their movie/tv adaptions, we can look at when most popular characters were created and see that most were from 50+ years ago. The characters they created were almost always white men. If they weren't white men, their origins / major plots had to do with the fact they were women or minorities. Almost no white male character had a plot point or backstory that hinged on being a white man.

Now granted, there are exceptions. For instance, Captain America is a tall white man with blond hair and blue eyes. He was the perfect Aryan race, yet he fought against Nazi Germany.
Another example would be someone like Batman. The Wayne's are old money. They have to be so rich and connected they exist before the USA was a country. Realistically, this means they have to be white.
Now, both of those examples could be subverted. Captain America and Batman could be titles they pass on. Perhaps Captain America was used in the Pacific Theater and was a Japanese-American. Maybe black people were never enslaved or segregated, allowing a black man with the last name of Wayne to build up a business empire. Or possibly Martha Kane was a black woman who married Thomas Wayne, allowing Bruce to be biracial.
Those could all be possible ways to get around it, but they all start to change fundamental parts of the characters origins. Fun for an alternate universe, but a little far out there for an adaption.

Compare that to someone like Johnny Storm. Nothing about him is that he's white. He has to be a good looking charmer who is cocky. That could be any race. He also has to have a sister, but since Fantastic Four is about family in all forms, having a step-sibling or adoption is just as good.
Or maybe we could talk about someone like Luke Cage, whose origins include the disparity between black prisoners and white prisoners, and how many of the stories he's known for go over police brutality.
And Wonder Woman, whose origins include coming from a woman-only island and her place in a Man's World.

etc.

I guess the point is that for most characters who aren't a minority or female, them being a white man has very little impact on their story. There are those where it does matter, but they're the exception rather than the rule. The opposite is true of female and minority characters, where there are only a few characters whose race/gender could be changed with little problems (Blade comes to mind, for instance).

So in that sense, having accepted that, they move on to realizing that 90% of the popular characters were created as straight white men, and that they could be changed with little issue. Add in that a lot of people do want diversity (or at the least don't care one way or the other), and it seems like a safe bet to change it up a bit.
The usual answer is 'why not just create new characters who are minorities?'
And the answer is always the same: new characters are almost never popular. Kamela Khan is the most popular new character, and she's a legacy character. X-23 is the same (and wasn't even created in comics).
Deadpool is very popular, but he's from 20 years ago.

I don't know. I think it's overblown anyway, cause adaptions are never 100% and characterization bothers me more than appearances when changed. Plus, if I wanted more of the same I can just read my comics.

More people need to see this
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