Current Events > T-Gender Navy SEAL Purple Heart to GOP- 'Tell me to my face that I'm not worthy'

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Where did I say I want more people to lose coverage? I think it's terrible how veterans don't get support. My brother has been in the military for 19 years. I'd be pissed off if he couldn't get coverage after giving up his life to the military. Forcing people out of the military for being transgender is still wrong any way you slice it. They got rid of benefits for police in certain counties of Florida as well even if they spend 20 years of their life serving. The whole system is fucked up everywhere, but I'm not gonna pretend like I know how to fix any of this stuff.
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Holy_Cloud105 posted...

Forcing people out of the military for being transgender is still wrong any way you slice it.

They can force you out for many other reasons, why is this different?
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E32005 posted...

@Mal_Fet

eat some crow for your other shit topic

They disqualify people over 80 inches tall from enlisting because they don't want to order more uniform sizes.

Go ahead, tell them that aren't worthy enough to serve.
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Damn she's badass
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It's dumb as hell to enlist needy transgender people when there are plenty of recruits without those medical issues. Remember when Brad manning the traitor got the government to pay for his sex change? Wow that pissed me off.

If a trans individual had had surgery already, the military would still be on the hook for their drugs. So they are bogging down the med because of their gender identification issues in a situation where lives are at stake. This isn't a fuckin game.

Djt chose right.

Samurontai posted...

yemmy posted...

Maybe liberals need to be more concerned with their own image (like their deluded obsession with Russia and Donald Trump) instead of what conservatives look like.

"Stop focusing on things that have plausible cause behind them and are being investigated by multiple intelligence agencies if you're going to focus on something that the president does for literally no reason other than to ostracize a specific group of people!"

Uh, how about no?

It would be great if Dems were doing anything but 'resisting' and OBSESSING over Trump. I don't even think Bill Clinton had this much coverage on getting his dick sucked and that was a real thing.

Also "plausible" is a stretch, considering they haven't found ANYTHING linking Trump or his organization with Putin yet. Absolutely NOTHING, and this has been going on for 6 months.

Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

That's exactly how Trump and the GOP got Congress, and the Presidency in the first place.

Ehh at least Trump actually had a few ideas. Plenty of reasons why Trump won but the main one is probably the fact that he wasn't Hillary Clinton. I agree with that sentiment for the most part, but polls are coming in saying people are tired of the Russian bs.
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It's funny how many conservatives won't just come out and admit they posses an immense hatred of the LGBT community. They'll do everything up to outright stating it, but they're too cowardly to to take the heat that comes with outright admitting bigotry.
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yemmy posted...

It would be great if Dems were doing anything but 'resisting' and OBSESSING over Trump.

Oh, you mean how the Democrats proposed multiple bills to fix Medicaid and Obamacare, and none of you shills gave one fuck about it?
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I would be ok with an armed protest by our military. Why fight for a commander that clearly doesn't car about you?
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Bump 4 mal
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Mal_Fet posted...

E32005 posted...

@Mal_Fet

eat some crow for your other shit topic

They disqualify people over 80 inches tall from enlisting because they don't want to order more uniform sizes.

Go ahead, tell them that aren't worthy enough to serve.

Still waitin MAL
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Yahoo comments are spot on... this shits ridiculous.
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E32005 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

E32005 posted...

@Mal_Fet

eat some crow for your other shit topic

They disqualify people over 80 inches tall from enlisting because they don't want to order more uniform sizes.

Go ahead, tell them that aren't worthy enough to serve.

Still waitin MAL

- Serving in the military is not a right
- It's immoral to demand soldiers entrust their lives to individuals prone to suicide, as transgenders overwhelmingly are
- The cost of GRS is not fiscally sound, especially when there are much more minor cost-saving measures that even disqualify people who are too short and too tall.
- General Fuckin Mattis agrees that trans people shouldn't serve.

I'm not sure how to make this simpler for you.

Instead, Beck should walk their ass up to Mattis and tell him that they know more about running a military than Mad Dog Mattis does.
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Tell it to that guys face mal

Let's see how maga you really are
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E32005 posted...

Tell it to that guys face mal

Let's see how maga you really are

I'd ask him if he would rather trust his life to someone with a 2% chance of being suicidal or someone with a ~40% chance of being suicidal.

Anyone who's being honest will give the same answer.
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in canada

ive only known 6 transgender soldiers

3 of them got their operations paid for, and then bounced.

the other 3, i dont think ever intend on fully transitioning.
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Did anyone ever give a reason why people over 80 inches can't serve but transgender folk can?

Mal_Fet posted...

E32005 posted...

Tell it to that guys face mal

Let's see how maga you really are

I'd ask him if he would rather trust his life to someone with a 2% chance of being suicidal or someone with a ~40% chance of being suicidal.

Anyone who's being honest will give the same answer.

Maybe the reason transgender people have such a high suicide rate is because people won't accept them for who they are, which this rule actively contributes to.
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Twinmold posted...

It's funny how many conservatives won't just come out and admit they posses an immense hatred of the LGBT community. They'll do everything up to outright stating it, but they're too cowardly to to take the heat that comes with outright admitting bigotry.

Well what do you expect from people that don't have penises or balls.
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Jagr_68 posted...

Twinmold posted...

It's funny how many conservatives won't just come out and admit they posses an immense hatred of the LGBT community. They'll do everything up to outright stating it, but they're too cowardly to to take the heat that comes with outright admitting bigotry.

Well what do you expect from people that don't have penises or balls.

What?

SSJ-JohnLennon posted...

Jagr_68 posted...

Twinmold posted...

It's funny how many conservatives won't just come out and admit they posses an immense hatred of the LGBT community. They'll do everything up to outright stating it, but they're too cowardly to to take the heat that comes with outright admitting bigotry.

Well what do you expect from people that don't have penises or balls.

What?

Conservatives prejudiced against the gay and trans demographic.
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I support trans persons serving their country through the armed forces. This thread is amusing, though. Lol, look at Barenziah Boy Toy and several others pretending they give a shit about the US military for once in their life. Lol, you're not fooling anybody. This is just another political football for you to push your own agendas.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Lol, look at Barenziah Boy Toy and several others pretending they give a shit about the US military for once in their life. Lol, you're not fooling anybody. This is just another political football for you to push your own agendas.

Exactly, and a week from now everyone will go back to not caring.
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MysticMismagius posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

E32005 posted...

Tell it to that guys face mal

Let's see how maga you really are

I'd ask him if he would rather trust his life to someone with a 2% chance of being suicidal or someone with a ~40% chance of being suicidal.

Anyone who's being honest will give the same answer.

Maybe the reason transgender people have such a high suicide rate is because people won't accept them for who they are, which this rule actively contributes to.

If this were true, then black people would surely have a higher suicide rate than white people, right? But they don't. In fact it's way lower.

There's no evidence that not being accepted enough is a cause for suicide. Stop being dumb.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

This is just another political football for you to push your own agendas.

Yes, our own 'agenda' being that marginalized people should be treated decently and fairly. HOW SINISTER of us!!
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Lol, look at Barenziah Boy Toy and several others pretending they give a shit about the US military for once in their life. Lol, you're not fooling anybody. This is just another political football for you to push your own agendas.

Exactly, and a week from now everyone will go back to not caring.

Mal_Fet posted...

If this were true, then black people would surely have a higher suicide rate than white people, right? But they don't. In fact it's way lower.

Probably because they prefer acting out of anger towards the people responsible for their troubles, rather than in.
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

If this were true, then black people would surely have a higher suicide rate than white people, right? But they don't. In fact it's way lower.

Probably because they prefer acting out of anger towards the people responsible for their troubles, rather than in.

Black people fought hard to get where they are today and you're making it sound like a bad thing just to push your agenda.

Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

If this were true, then black people would surely have a higher suicide rate than white people, right? But they don't. In fact it's way lower.

Probably because they prefer acting out of anger towards the people responsible for their troubles, rather than in.

Mal_Fet posted...

There's no evidence that not being accepted enough is a cause for suicide. Stop being dumb.

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Mal_Fet posted...

- It's immoral to demand soldiers entrust their lives to individuals prone to suicide, as transgenders overwhelmingly are

are you for real? my god
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HylianFox posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

- It's immoral to demand soldiers entrust their lives to individuals prone to suicide, as transgenders overwhelmingly are

are you for real? my god

I'm dead serious. Which part of that statement is confusing to you?
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Mal_Fet posted...

HylianFox posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

- It's immoral to demand soldiers entrust their lives to individuals prone to suicide, as transgenders overwhelmingly are

are you for real? my god

I'm dead serious. Which part of that statement is confusing to you?

There is the argument, made by some service members, that trans inclusion into the armed forces could be detrimental to mission readiness because the transition process can take a trans service member out of deployment rotation, for example, for x amount of months. (Sorry, I don't know what x time frame would be, but it's not just a few days.) Of course, this applies to a trans person who did not transition prior to enlistment, and decides to transition during their service career.
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I would gladly as I tore that purple heart off him.
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Mal_Fet posted...

HylianFox posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

- It's immoral to demand soldiers entrust their lives to individuals prone to suicide, as transgenders overwhelmingly are

are you for real? my god

I'm dead serious. Which part of that statement is confusing to you?

Tell it to that guys face then
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E32005 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

HylianFox posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

- It's immoral to demand soldiers entrust their lives to individuals prone to suicide, as transgenders overwhelmingly are

are you for real? my god

I'm dead serious. Which part of that statement is confusing to you?

Tell it to that guys face then

Sure.
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Skasa posted...

E32005 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

HylianFox posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

- It's immoral to demand soldiers entrust their lives to individuals prone to suicide, as transgenders overwhelmingly are

are you for real? my god

I'm dead serious. Which part of that statement is confusing to you?

Tell it to that guys face then

Sure.

Stop switching alts
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Mal_Fet posted...

E32005 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

E32005 posted...

@Mal_Fet

eat some crow for your other shit topic

They disqualify people over 80 inches tall from enlisting because they don't want to order more uniform sizes.

Go ahead, tell them that aren't worthy enough to serve.

Still waitin MAL

- Serving in the military is not a right
- It's immoral to demand soldiers entrust their lives to individuals prone to suicide, as transgenders overwhelmingly are
- The cost of GRS is not fiscally sound, especially when there are much more minor cost-saving measures that even disqualify people who are too short and too tall.
- General Fuckin Mattis agrees that trans people shouldn't serve.

I'm not sure how to make this simpler for you.

Instead, Beck should walk their ass up to Mattis and tell him that they know more about running a military than Mad Dog Mattis does.

Mattis had no hand in the transgender military ban.

http://www.businessinsider.com/mattis-vacation-appaulled-trump-trans-ban-2017-7

And worrying about suicide rates among transgenders is ridiculous considering suicide rates among veterans. Maybe transgender individuals would be less likely to commit suicide if shit like this wasn't treating them like they're not people?

Just a thought.
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Patchwork posted...

And worrying about suicide rates among transgenders is ridiculous considering suicide rates among veterans.

That's exactly why it's a problem.

The argument isn't that you're unworthy it's that your medicine and treatments are a personal choice not something our military should be paying for

And the weird argument is that taking pills and going through surgery has a heightened chance to give you extreme emotions like aggression or depression and you don't want soldiers who have weapons are see a lot of really crazy and sad stuff to get spouts of aggression or depression.




Bitch
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SSJ-JohnLennon posted...

Patchwork posted...

And worrying about suicide rates among transgenders is ridiculous considering suicide rates among veterans.

That's exactly why it's a problem.

That's not at all the reason given, though. Show me the suicide rates of transgender vets, and we'll talk.
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LittleRoyal posted...

The argument isn't that you're unworthy it's that your medicine and treatments are a personal choice not something our military should be paying for

And the weird argument is that taking pills and going through surgery has a heightened chance to give you extreme emotions like aggression or depression and you don't want soldiers who have weapons are see a lot of really crazy and sad stuff to get spouts of aggression or depression.




Bitch

The price tag on this is unbelievably small, considering the astronomical military budget.
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Correct me if I'm wrong. Wasn't this person a pre op full on man when s/he served?

Yes. That's why she's a bad example. There's an active Air Force transgender man that has come out against the ban recently. That's a better example.
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Patchwork posted...

LittleRoyal posted...

The argument isn't that you're unworthy it's that your medicine and treatments are a personal choice not something our military should be paying for

And the weird argument is that taking pills and going through surgery has a heightened chance to give you extreme emotions like aggression or depression and you don't want soldiers who have weapons are see a lot of really crazy and sad stuff to get spouts of aggression or depression.




Bitch

The price tag on this is unbelievably small, considering the astronomical military budget.

Are you legit saying we should be spending hundreds and thousands of dollars on trans surgeries and medicine that they want, not need?
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Patchwork posted...

That's not at all the reason given, though.

The suicide rates of vets are higher because they have easier access to guns. It's already been shown that suicide rates skyrocket when convenient access to handguns are increased.
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LittleRoyal posted...

Patchwork posted...

LittleRoyal posted...

The argument isn't that you're unworthy it's that your medicine and treatments are a personal choice not something our military should be paying for

And the weird argument is that taking pills and going through surgery has a heightened chance to give you extreme emotions like aggression or depression and you don't want soldiers who have weapons are see a lot of really crazy and sad stuff to get spouts of aggression or depression.




Bitch

The price tag on this is unbelievably small, considering the astronomical military budget.

Are you legit saying we should be spending hundreds and thousands of dollars on trans surgeries and medicine that they want, not need?

I'm saying I'm already paying high taxes to support an astronomical military budget, and eliminating this practice (by banning transgender people from service) will not in any way impact me financially, so that would be a pretty stupid way to justify my position one way or the other.

You won't reap benefits from the military not paying for these operations.

Besides, they chose to serve this country, and I appreciate their service and their willingness to lay down their lives for our freedoms if need be. So, if they want medicine and surgery, sure; go ahead. You earned it by putting yourself between me and my nation's enemies.
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

Patchwork posted...

That's not at all the reason given, though.

The suicide rates of vets are higher because they have easier access to guns. It's already been shown that suicide rates skyrocket when convenient access to handguns are increased.

Study to support the easy access to firearms correlation, specifically among vets?
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But military already has lots of benefits and they're getting paid for it.

What we should just do whatever they want? Because again it's not like we don't give any benefits to military's personnel and yes they are heroes for what they do but it doesn't mean my taxes should pay for that really. It's something you want for yourself it doesn't help anyone and you have a job that pays you money already anyway.


Especially when lots of people don't even believe in that stuff. Our military budget should be focused on health (they need), training, weapons, recruitment. Not on feelings really.

If we focus our budget on feelings it should be to make sure they can see their family more! ^.^
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Patchwork posted...

Study to support the easy access to firearms correlation, specifically among vets?

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine/magazine_article/guns-suicide/
https://www.psychiatry.org/news-room/apa-blogs/apa-blog/2015/12/access-to-guns-and-suicide
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-suicides-guns-state-laws-second-amendment-20150826-story.html
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LittleRoyal posted...

But military already has lots of benefits and they're getting paid for it.

What we should just do whatever they want? Because again it's not like we don't give any benefits to military's personnel and yes they are heroes for what they do but it doesn't mean my taxes should pay for that really. It's something you want for yourself it doesn't help anyone and you have a job that pays you money already anyway.


Especially when lots of people don't even believe in that stuff. Our military budget should be focused on health (they need), training, weapons, recruitment. Not on feelings really.

If we focus our budget on feelings it should be to make sure they can see their family more! ^.^

It's something we might not feel that they need, per se, but that individual may feel he or she needs it. I don't know that men necessarily NEED viagara, but it's paid for by the military. Now, I'm not equating costs here like some outlets have done because that's ridiculous; the number of men vs. the number of transgender people makes it an unfair monetary comparison. But it's an optional "medication" that is paid for by us, the taxpayers.

Where we differ here seems to be what you're willing to allow your tax dollars to go to, and what you're not. That's fine. I'm okay with paying for these surgeries and medications for any veteran.

I'm honestly tired of arguing on here about it all. I get where you're coming from, partly, but I can't agree.
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