Current Events > CRAZED conservative fumes as HOMOPHOBIC cake request denied

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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dublin-bakery-s-refusal-of-anti-gay-marriage-cake-not-discrimination-1.3165211?mode=amp
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I hate you fuckers that capitalize words like that for no reason.


Seriously go fuck yourselves.
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I'm not going to be shocked by the amount of people that don't see the difference between a cake with a message, and the people and their purpose for ordering the cake.
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Dude has them by the balls. Should win
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Your topic title is obnoxious and sad. Change your style and stop being a goddamn joke.
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a lot of HOMOPHOBES in this topic
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Shadowstrike007 posted...

Dude has them by the balls. Should win

Already lost.
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Turtlebread posted...

a lot of HOMOPHOBES in this topic

Shut the fuck up.
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so if this happened in america would it be ruled as private business owners have their right to refuse an order if they wish or would it be discrimination to penalize the business to make such an order when payed for inline with penalizing other cake shops for refusing to make orders for gay marriages?
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Shadowstrike007 posted...

Dude has them by the balls. Should win

Already lost.

Lel
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Vyrulisse posted...

Turtlebread posted...

a lot of HOMOPHOBES in this topic

Shut the fuck up.

HAHA cuckservatives BTFO
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Turtlebread posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

Turtlebread posted...

a lot of HOMOPHOBES in this topic

Shut the fuck up.

HAHA cuckservatives BTFO

Congratulations on the idiot award for the day. You earned it.
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All I know is now I want to eat cake.
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Vyrulisse posted...

Turtlebread posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

Turtlebread posted...

a lot of HOMOPHOBES in this topic

Shut the fuck up.

HAHA cuckservatives BTFO

Congratulations on the idiot award for the day. You earned it.

conservative fumes
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myzz7 posted...

so if this happened in america would it be ruled as private business owners have their right to refuse an order if they wish or would it be discrimination to penalize the business to make such an order when payed for inline with penalizing other cake shops for refusing to make orders for gay marriages?

There is long standing precedent that private businesses have the right to refuse business when it involves writing political messages and offensive content. Hell, there's already places that have refused to make Nazi cakes. Not cakes for Nazis, cakes with swastikas n shit.
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He must have thought he was being clever. :u Make your own homophobic cake buddy.
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I actually read the article and it sounds like the cake shop had a perfectly valid reason for not filling the order which had nothing to do with the message itself
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Has anyone in this topic actually read the article? Their refusal to make the cake has nothing to do with the message, and everything to do with the fact that they were backed up and the cake that this guy ordered was exceptionally complicated.
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myzz7 posted...

or would it be discrimination to penalize the business to make such an order when payed for inline with penalizing other cake shops for refusing to make orders for gay marriages?

They are not the same thing.
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fenderbender321 posted...

So then if a bakery owner thinks making a gay wedding cake is offensive, he legally doesn't have to?

Sir Will posted...

They are not the same thing.

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fenderbender321 posted...

So then if a bakery owner thinks making a gay wedding cake is offensive, he legally doesn't have to?

If it was a cake with graphic gay material on it, sure. :v But there is nothing offensive about a bert and ernie wedding cake in and of itself.
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The important part of the article:

She said she had no difficulty with the wording. She said the order was very complicated in terms its colours use, of capital letters and contained 49 words, which is longer than a typical message.

The managing director said the cake would have taken eight hours to complete. She said other orders were turned away at that time as their order book for bespoke cakes was full .

The bakery had up to 140 cakes in the pipeline and at 80 cakes they decide what can and what cannot be done.

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HOMOPHOBES sicken me.
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So are bakeries allowed to do what they want or not?

I'm having trouble keeping up with what the liberal opinion is.
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fenderbender321 posted...

What is and isn't offensive is entirely subjective. How a person feels about making a gay wedding cake vs making a cake with swastikas on it is going to vary from person to person based on their own unique set of values, which we should be embracing instead of legislating against.

We can't make laws that way because then we'd have people claiming they found black people to be offensive and using that as a reason to discriminate against them.

Your libertarian wonderland is never going to happen Fender. :v Sorry to break it to you, but it is incompatible with the real world. Get over it already.
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fenderbender321 posted...

What is and isn't offensive is entirely subjective. How a person feels about making a gay wedding cake vs making a cake with swastikas on it is going to vary from person to person based on their own unique set of values, which we should be embracing instead of legislating against.

It being subjective is absolutely why we shouldn't give a fuck what people feel. You open a public business, then serve the public and keep your feelings on the sidelines.

Not that any of that matters to the situation in the OP.
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hockeybub89 posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

What is and isn't offensive is entirely subjective. How a person feels about making a gay wedding cake vs making a cake with swastikas on it is going to vary from person to person based on their own unique set of values, which we should be embracing instead of legislating against.

serve the public and keep your feelings on the sidelines.

So they should've made the cake then?
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JohnLennon6 posted...

So are bakeries allowed to do what they want or not?

I'm having trouble keeping up with what the liberal opinion is.

me too
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JohnLennon6 posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

What is and isn't offensive is entirely subjective. How a person feels about making a gay wedding cake vs making a cake with swastikas on it is going to vary from person to person based on their own unique set of values, which we should be embracing instead of legislating against.

serve the public and keep your feelings on the sidelines.

So they should've made the cake then?

If their only problem was being offended, yes. Take that homophobic jackass's money and bake his stupid cake.

That wasn't the issue though.
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TrevorBlack79 posted...

Has anyone in this topic actually read the article? Their refusal to make the cake has nothing to do with the message, and everything to do with the fact that they were backed up and the cake that this guy ordered was exceptionally complicated.

Yep.

fenderbender321 posted...

What is and isn't offensive is entirely subjective. How a person feels about making a gay wedding cake vs making a cake with swastikas on it is going to vary from person to person based on their own unique set of values, which we should be embracing instead of legislating against.

I half agree.

For me, I think that the fairest way to do it would be to legislate that bakeries can refuse to bake a cake due to its contents but *can't* refuse to bake it (unless there's a legitimate reason like there seems to be in this case) based on a person's race, sexual orientation, religion, etc. (i.e. protected classes). In the event that it is refused based on the contents, the bakery should have to offer to bake one without those contents (again, unless there is a legitimate reason not to do so). I'm not sure if that's how it's already done in Ireland.

Of course, there may be some edge cases that don't meet either criterion (or the bakery may pretend there's a legitimate reason), but then a person can appeal like in this case.

It's not perfect, but then I don't think it ever can be.

hockeybub89 posted...

JohnLennon6 posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

What is and isn't offensive is entirely subjective. How a person feels about making a gay wedding cake vs making a cake with swastikas on it is going to vary from person to person based on their own unique set of values, which we should be embracing instead of legislating against.

serve the public and keep your feelings on the sidelines.

So they should've made the cake then?

If their only problem was being offended, yes. Take that homophobic jackass's money and bake his stupid cake.

That wasn't the issue though.

You and I both know that was the issue.
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hockeybub89 posted...

If their only problem was being offended, yes. Take that homophobic jackass's money and bake his stupid cake.

No.
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Sir Will posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

If their only problem was being offended, yes. Take that homophobic jackass's money and bake his stupid cake.

No.

Sorry troll. World doesn't work like that.
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fenderbender321 posted...

OpheliaAdenade posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

What is and isn't offensive is entirely subjective. How a person feels about making a gay wedding cake vs making a cake with swastikas on it is going to vary from person to person based on their own unique set of values, which we should be embracing instead of legislating against.

We can't make laws that way because then we'd have people claiming they found black people to be offensive and using that as a reason to discriminate against them.

Your libertarian wonderland is never going to happen Fender. :v Sorry to break it to you, but it is incompatible with the real world. Get over it already.

People also used to think that having a dictator (such as a King), was the only way to have a civilized country. But then people decided to push for change that put more power into the hands of individuals. I believe that can happen again, although I would agree most people don't seem willing or ready to put in the effort to achieve that greatness.

Don't bother with Ophelia.

He's just a teenager who doesn't really know any better.
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fenderbender321 posted...

People also used to think that having a dictator (such as a King), was the only way to have a civilized country. But then people decided to push for change that put more power into the hands of individuals. I believe that can happen again, although I would agree most people don't seem willing or ready to put in the effort to achieve that greatness.

No, it isn't that. Most people just realize it is a really stupid idea.
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The Christian wedding cake fiasco was in the US.

This incident is in Ireland.

The two don't have to have logical similarities when you're comparing different countries with different ideologies and philosophies on freedoms of the people.
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Sir Will posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

If their only problem was being offended, yes. Take that homophobic jackass's money and bake his stupid cake.

No.

Yup. You gave up your feelings when you got a business license and zoning permit and all that jazz from the government and opened up to the public.
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Fair, the law exists to protect innocent people from discrimination, not aholes from being bigots
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fenderbender321 posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

What is and isn't offensive is entirely subjective. How a person feels about making a gay wedding cake vs making a cake with swastikas on it is going to vary from person to person based on their own unique set of values, which we should be embracing instead of legislating against.

It being subjective is absolutely why we shouldn't give a fuck what people feel. You open a public business, then serve the public and keep your feelings on the sidelines.

Not that any of that matters to the situation in the OP.

The problem with this logic, though, is that "serve the public" is abstract and subjective. Refusing to bake a cake, for ANY reason at all, is absolutely a way of serving the public. It might not be the way everyone wants, but as John Lennon (actual John Lennon) once said in response to some negative things people said about The Beatles, "we can't be everything for everyone".

No, but a public cake shop can serve the public with cakes. I'm not saying everything should be everything for everyone. I'm not asking for a burger joint to provide legal counsel to divorcees.
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fenderbender321 posted...

Some people prefer a cake shop that won't make gay wedding cakes, and some prefer one that does. There's no basis to allow one set of values to trump everything. The best course of action is to keep things free and open so that there is diversity and variety in the type of trade that is conducted in the US.

No
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

Some people prefer a cake shop that won't make gay wedding cakes, and some prefer one that does. There's no basis to allow one set of values to trump everything. The best course of action is to keep things free and open so that there is diversity and variety in the type of trade that is conducted in the US.

No

You might as well close your account Fender. Ophelia just destroyed you with this argument.
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Is JohnLennon Clad, he sure acts like Clad
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JohnLennon6 posted...

You might as well close your account Fender. Ophelia just destroyed you with this argument.

People have already been over this shit with him. :v It is a dead horse at this point. The guy would do away with every form of racial protection to allowed the "free market" to take care of it. He's out of his mind.
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