Poll of the Day > If you could remove one religion from the world, which would it be?

(+) Yeah! (+)

It's a shame people blame the religion and not the people. People have used religion to gain land, power, wealth, etc.. but that doesn't make the religion itself bad.

You have to realize that most translations are terrible and a lot of the original intent is lost. The religious texts we have today are translations of translations of translations, so you have to wonder how accurate their current versions are. Not to mention there's a lot of interpretation that occurs which is often influenced by the interpreter's idea.

For example, people interpreted slavery being in the bible as it being okay. That's a pretty shitty interpretation and shouldn't be pinned on the religion.
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Blood for the blood god! Skull for his throne!

But the Bible is claimed to be the Word of God. "Look, it says here that slavery is okay and because my god wrote the Bible, that makes slavery okay because my god is cool with it!"
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justchill433 posted...

It's a shame people blame the religion and not the people. People have used religion to gain land, power, wealth, etc.. but that doesn't make the religion itself bad.

So, what you're saying is, Islam isn't bad, but you have major problems with the Muslim people?

:p It's just amusing, b/c usually when criticizing Islamic terrorism, people go out of their way to say the opposite, that they "love" the people and are merely critiquing the ideology. So it's funny to see someone go the exact opposite route.
I blame both

"Christianity" isn't a religion.

All of them.

Removing one form of brainwashing doesn't solve anythinng.

See that's the problem- human nature. Religion because we give it so much leeway as an excuse becomes an excuse. In order to fix the underlying problem you have to fix human nature. And that can't be done until it accepts it. Religious belief in general is an excercise in looking to shift blame and find something else a god gods or villiage of smurfs that is " in control" therefore shifting the blame because we ourselves aren't. Or don't want to be.

The first stage is accepting that we will just find another excuse if not relious belief. We just chose to keep this particular excuse going so we all don't have to look hard in the mirror as a species.
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TyVulpine posted...

Christianity

TheCyborgNinja posted...

Islam. I realize most Muslims are fine, but when you do a global terrorist headcount, it's obvious who the loser is.

Just recently or all-time? If you go all-time, Christianity beats it hands-down.

No, I'm talking right now.
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zebatov posted...

"Christianity" isn't a religion.

Yes it is
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Yellow posted...

zebatov posted...

"Christianity" isn't a religion.

Yes it is

It blankets sub-religions.

What a surprise, bigots going to be bigots.
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zebatov posted...

It blankets sub-religions.

It's a vague religion, but still a religion. The dictionary agrees with me.

JanwayDaahl posted...

What a surprise, bigots going to be bigots.

Yeah, and your sig is so tolerant of other lifestyles.
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Yellow posted...

JanwayDaahl posted...

What a surprise, bigots going to be bigots.

Yeah, and your sig is so tolerant of other lifestyles.

lol it's a troll account
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CountessRolab posted...

lol it's a troll account

I get the weirdest itch to reply anyway.
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JanwayDaahl posted...

What a surprise, bigots going to be bigots.

You know the definition of bigot makes you one too, right? Probably avoid using that word in the future.

zebatov posted...

Probably avoid using that word in the future.

Supposedly we don't really have a word for Arabic "bigot", which is a word for disagreeing with someone's religion over there.
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CountessRolab posted...

Christianity has a far more negative impact on most American's lives than Islam.

no it doesn't. it absolutely doesn't.

the only point i could imagine you're trying to make, is that islam has very little impact at all, therefore by default chirstianity would have more negative impact because it has any impact at all.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

TyVulpine posted...

Christianity

TheCyborgNinja posted...

Islam. I realize most Muslims are fine, but when you do a global terrorist headcount, it's obvious who the loser is.

Just recently or all-time? If you go all-time, Christianity beats it hands-down.

No, I'm talking right now.

You can't just handwave away the past.
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ssj4supervegeta posted...

islam has very little impact at all, therefore by default chirstianity would have more negative impact because it has any impact at all.

Ding ding, we have a winner.
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CountessRolab posted...

ssj4supervegeta posted...

islam has very little impact at all, therefore by default chirstianity would have more negative impact because it has any impact at all.

Ding ding, we have a winner.

Bit ridiculous to say Islam has little impact on the modern world. I mean really... I know you're a troll but be real.

TyVulpine posted...

You can't just handwave away the past.

Yeah, but you also shouldn't justify present day terrorism by saying, "b-b-b-but the past guys!"

Yellow posted...

zebatov posted...

It blankets sub-religions.

It's a vague religion, but still a religion. The dictionary agrees with me.

JanwayDaahl posted...

What a surprise, bigots going to be bigots.

Yeah, and your sig is so tolerant of other lifestyles.

Thankfully most of the world does not embrace homosexuality as the west does. Many see it as a mental illness, and even in the west only the liberals tend to embrace it in their own circles.
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OhhhJa posted...

CountessRolab posted...

ssj4supervegeta posted...

islam has very little impact at all, therefore by default chirstianity would have more negative impact because it has any impact at all.

Ding ding, we have a winner.

Bit ridiculous to say Islam has little impact on the modern world. I mean really... I know you're a troll but be real.

well i think the original quote was "in america" and islamic people and islamic cultures makes up about .9% of america. so...it has very little impact here on a daily basis. that being said, if you count the terrorist attacks as islamic impact, then the impact they do have is disproportionately negative.
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JanwayDaahl posted...

Thankfully most of the world does not embrace homosexuality as the west does.

You mean one of the only societies in the world where we don't kill each other with rocks?

Then there's South America which is slowly but surely becoming a civilized continent. However, last I checked even Africa isn't living in dirt huts. They've upgraded to wood.
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The Crusades actually started when the Byzantine Empire requested military aid from the Pope to repel Turkish invaders. They were a very complex collection of a multitude of events. Some were defensive wars, others offensive, or retaliatory. Some were mercenaries doing their own shit. All of Europe was involved in a shit storm of power struggles before, during, and after the Crusades.

To use them as nothing more than a point to say "Christians bad" way oversimplifies the events that took place, and completely ignores the fact that all of Europe was bad regardless of what faith, or lack thereof people followed. It was such a chaotic mess of a time with so many conflicting records of what happened, that historians are still trying to piece everything together.

Now the Spanish Inquisition on the other hand is pretty clear cut. That and the Salem witch trials. Those are fair game. Unless you want to pick out specific events that took place during the Crusades, like the Massacre of Antioch. However, though that was completely barbaric, it was a common practice at the time for invading armies regardless of faith. Because again, the world really sucked back then.

The one where people pray to a god.
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"Bill Warner, PhD: Jihad vs Crusades"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo

"What British Muslims Really Think"
Trevor Phillips is the former chairman of the Equality and Human Rights Commission and current Deputy Chairman of the Board of the National Equality Standard. He commissioned the report that first introduced the term 'Islamophobia' to Britian, 20 years ago. This is his investigation to find out whether or not British Muslims do in fact hold the same values of the overall British population and what it means where they don't. Please watch and listen. This is a fair and legitimate topic that needs to be understood, considered, and discussed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQcSvBsU-FM

"The Truth About Islam & Sharia Law With Imam Tawhidi"
This is a worthwhile conversation to listen to, about Islam, with a Muslim. They talk about Sharia Law, reformation, migration, invasion, and all sorts of other things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo8qHMNB9UU

"Islam: The Ideology of the Constantly"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3TIFH1q0bM

"Why Japan Refuses Immigration and Multiculturalism"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3BYCK-3jPc

"Tommy Robinson and Dave Rubin: Islam, Immigration, and Pegida (Full Interview)"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQOkrwJXRFQ
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OhhhJa posted...

TyVulpine posted...

You can't just handwave away the past.

Yeah, but you also shouldn't justify present day terrorism by saying, "b-b-b-but the past guys!"

I'm not, but I don't only try to present one side while completely ignoring the history of the other side.
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Christianity. I've never been harassed by any religion but Christianity.

The funny thing is, I was even bugged by Christians when I lived in Japan - a country where most people don't actively belong to any religion and they mostly pick and choose stuff they like from Buddism (death rituals mainly), Shintoism (births and traditional Japanese style weddings mainly), and Christianity (for when they want a Western-style wedding mainly). There was this Jehovah's Witness church near my house in Japan and this Japanese middle aged Jehovah's Witness came to my house every few days for MONTHS trying to get me (not just me - he did it to my neighbors too) to go to his church. One day I was really irritated and told him to stop coming because he would never convince me. I can't remember what I said but I remember it being pretty rude. He stopped coming after that.
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OhhhJa posted...

Bit ridiculous to say Islam has little impact on the modern world.

Good thing that isnt what I said. lrn2readingcomprehension
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Jehovah's Witness followers are an odd bunch. They are one of the most heavy handed with conversion attempts. Yet they believe that all the seats in heaven are full and none of us, or them, will be getting in.

Yellow posted...

JanwayDaahl posted...

Thankfully most of the world does not embrace homosexuality as the west does.

You mean one of the only societies in the world where we don't kill each other with rocks?

Then there's South America which is slowly but surely becoming a civilized continent. However, last I checked even Africa isn't living in dirt huts. They've upgraded to wood.

Janway is PotD's equivalent of the Westboro Baptist Church. Everyone knows that they are probably just trolling/attention whoring, but that doesnt make it any less vile or disturbing.
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ssj4supervegeta posted...

CountessRolab posted...

Christianity has a far more negative impact on most American's lives than Islam.

no it doesn't. it absolutely doesn't.

the only point i could imagine you're trying to make, is that islam has very little impact at all, therefore by default chirstianity would have more negative impact because it has any impact at all.

Christianity has lots of impact in America.
Gays fighting for equal rights.
All the attempts to chip away at women's abortion rights, and various Christian terror attacks on Planned Parenthood or abortion doctors.
The poisonous "prosperity gospel" that guides the American religious right to stick it to the poor.
All the attacks on science and attempts to thwart it. I can't even imagine the kinds of medical breakthroughs we'd have by now if the Christian lobby didn't battle so hard to prevent stem cell research.

And that's just off the top of my sleep-deprived head. Christians make day to day life in this country miserable for everyone. I'm sure Muslims would be at least as bad if they were the majority, but the fact is they're not, there's very few of them in the U.S., so they concern me less.

streamofthesky posted...

ssj4supervegeta posted...

CountessRolab posted...

Christianity has a far more negative impact on most American's lives than Islam.

no it doesn't. it absolutely doesn't.

the only point i could imagine you're trying to make, is that islam has very little impact at all, therefore by default chirstianity would have more negative impact because it has any impact at all.

Christianity has lots of impact in America.
Gays fighting for equal rights. - Not really a religious issue. Not really an issue at all. They don't have "less rights" than anyone else. If you're talking about marriage, non-Christian countries don't allow that, either. It's an institution based on biology, not a right.
All the attempts to chip away at women's abortion rights, and various Christian terror attacks on Planned Parenthood or abortion doctors. - Those are a VERY few select psychos doing those attacks and is not representative of Christians as a whole. In contrast, that is opposed to a LOT of psychos doing jihad attacks that are literally taught to be the right course of action for Muslims.
The poisonous "prosperity gospel" that guides the American religious right to stick it to the poor. - This doesn't really have anything to do with religion, either.
All the attacks on science and attempts to thwart it. I can't even imagine the kinds of medical breakthroughs we'd have by now if the Christian lobby didn't battle so hard to prevent stem cell research. - Christian politics are problematic in this area, true.

Christians make day to day life in this country miserable for everyone. - No, they really don't. That's coming from someone who hates religion, too (me).

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Islam. I'm not sure how accurately the world portrays Islam. But even if I don't count all this terrorist/ISIS stuff, I always disliked how badly the religion treated women in this day and age.
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lol

all of them?

not denying all the good organised religion has done but fuck me yeah all of them
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Zero_Slash posted...

Not really a religious issue. Not really an issue at all. They don't have "less rights" than anyone else

Literally uses religion to deny LGBT people their rights to services such as adoption agencies:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_freedom_bill
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