Current Events > Stealth game franchises have been murdered with a vengeance

(+) Yeah! (+)

It all started at the end of last gen when Splinter Cell Blacklist bombed
Then Konami fired Kojima and killed off Metal Gear Solid to rebrand it into a multiplayer zombie game
Then Deus Ex Mankind Divided bombed and has been shelved so the developer can make Marvel games
Then Dishonored 2 bombed hard
Now Hitman's developer is being sold by Square-Enix which kills off the last one standing

RIP good stealth games
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I still have most of Hitman 2017 to play so I'm happy.
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Virus731 posted...

I still have most of Hitman 2017 to play so I'm happy.

is that the one they released in episodes?

if so, i have that and have only played through like 2 of them i think
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How many years has it been since Chaos Theory? *looks*

Frickin' 2005.
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organicbamf posted...

Virus731 posted...

I still have most of Hitman 2017 to play so I'm happy.

is that the one they released in episodes?

if so, i have that and have only played through like 2 of them i think

Yeah. I've only played through the first and a bit of the second one so still a fair way to go. I'm sure the challenges will keep me busy for a while too.
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Virus731 posted...

organicbamf posted...

Virus731 posted...

I still have most of Hitman 2017 to play so I'm happy.

is that the one they released in episodes?

if so, i have that and have only played through like 2 of them i think

Yeah. I've only played through the first and a bit of the second one so still a fair way to go. I'm sure the challenges will keep me busy for a while too.

word. i've enjoyed it so far. i remember when the original game came out and my friends and i would spend hours talking about different strats to pull off the missions. the later ones kind of blew ass, but i actually enjoyed the episodic releases.
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The new Hitman was amazing. Shame it bombed.

I'm sure Splinter Cell will be revived as a multiplayer open world game *sigh*
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organicbamf posted...

word. i've enjoyed it so far. i remember when the original game came out and my friends and i would spend hours talking about different strats to pull off the missions. the later ones kind of blew ass, but i actually enjoyed the episodic releases.

My only problem with it is the hints are too hand holdy but I feel some of the executions are way too obscure to figure out yourself without getting frustrated. I just play without the hints because there is no challenge at all with them.
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organicbamf posted...

word. i've enjoyed it so far. i remember when the original game came out and my friends and i would spend hours talking about different strats to pull off the missions. the later ones kind of blew ass, but i actually enjoyed the episodic releases.

The first one on PC? Yeah the Hong Kong missions were great.

47 had such janky voice acting in the first game too. He improved a lot as it went on. Amazing they kept him.
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Wait what, Dishonored 2 bombed hard?
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Virus731 posted...

organicbamf posted...

word. i've enjoyed it so far. i remember when the original game came out and my friends and i would spend hours talking about different strats to pull off the missions. the later ones kind of blew ass, but i actually enjoyed the episodic releases.

My only problem with it is the hints are too hand holdy but I feel some of the executions are way too obscure to figure out yourself without getting frustrated. I just play without the hints because there is no challenge at all with them.

There's an in-between where you can get a hint but no waypoints. But yeah it can still be a bit obscure sometimes.
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Darmik posted...

organicbamf posted...

word. i've enjoyed it so far. i remember when the original game came out and my friends and i would spend hours talking about different strats to pull off the missions. the later ones kind of blew ass, but i actually enjoyed the episodic releases.

The first one on PC? Yeah the Hong Kong missions were great.

47 had such janky voice acting in the first game too. He improved a lot as it went on. Amazing they kept him.

yep, still got the original box somewhere at my parents. back when pc games had packaging that was like 200x bigger than it needed, iirc.

but yeah, having to go through the restaurant, or snipe the triad (i think ) meeting, etc.

such an amazing game for its time
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St0rmFury posted...

Wait what, Dishonored 2 bombed hard?

Yeah for sure. I don't think it ranked on any sales chart.
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ThePieReborn posted...

How many years has it been since Chaos Theory? *looks*

Frickin' 2005.

This tbh

Splinter Cell hasn't been good in years
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St0rmFury posted...

Wait what, Dishonored 2 bombed hard?

I don't think there is a lot of room on the market for these 12-20 hour long games with no multiplayer. You need to be able to advertise vast amounts of replay or people will spend their money elsewhere.
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organicbamf posted...

Darmik posted...

organicbamf posted...

word. i've enjoyed it so far. i remember when the original game came out and my friends and i would spend hours talking about different strats to pull off the missions. the later ones kind of blew ass, but i actually enjoyed the episodic releases.

The first one on PC? Yeah the Hong Kong missions were great.

47 had such janky voice acting in the first game too. He improved a lot as it went on. Amazing they kept him.

yep, still got the original box somewhere at my parents. back when pc games had packaging that was like 200x bigger than it needed, iirc.

but yeah, having to go through the restaurant, or snipe the triad (i think ) meeting, etc.

such an amazing game for its time

I fell in love with Hitman after playing a demo disc that came with a magazine. It had the Godfather rip-off mission where you are supposted to dump the gun in the bathroom. I spent so long messing around in that level. There was nothing else like it. There still isn't really. Hitman is such a creative and unique gem of a franchise. It's sad that it's overlooked so much.
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Was the new Deus Ex actually bad? I own it but I haven't gotten around to finishing it, but the parts I've played seemed pretty fun.
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BostonPaddy posted...

ThePieReborn posted...

How many years has it been since Chaos Theory? *looks*

Frickin' 2005.

This tbh

Splinter Cell hasn't been good in years

Blacklist was pretty solid. Not as great as Chaos Theory but close.

I miss all the attention to detail that the older games had. But it's still overall a great stealth game.

Virus731 posted...

St0rmFury posted...

Wait what, Dishonored 2 bombed hard?

I don't think there is a lot of room on the market for these 12-20 hour long games with no multiplayer. You need to be able to advertise vast amounts of replay or people will spend their money elsewhere.

Dishonored 2 is pretty good with the replay value. There are so many ways to get through that game.

I think a single player game that isn't open world or has multi is a hard sell sadly. Doesn't matter if the game is long or has loads of replay value.
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Chicken posted...

Was the new Deus Ex actually bad? I own it but I haven't gotten around to finishing it, but the parts I've played seemed pretty fun.

The game itself is actually really damn good. It has the best level design of the series.

But the scope is much smaller. Most of it is in the one big hub (which while it is bigger you have access to most of it rather early in the game). The story is also smaller in scope and ends as it's starting to ramp up to the greater conspiracy.
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Darmik posted...

Blacklist was pretty solid. Not as great as Chaos Theory but close.

I miss all the attention to detail that the older games had. But it's still overall a great stealth game.

I haven't played that one and I probably never will at this point. I've given up on all of the Tom Clancy games, since they've successively phased out everything that made them unique and interesting.
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Well, the new survival horror genre is pretty much blending survival horror and stealth and those are still quite big. And no mention of Thief in this topic?
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I was put off getting Dishonoured 2 due to the apparent technical issues it had at release. And then I forgot it existed
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So I can expect a sweet discount on Dishonored 2 soon?
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BostonPaddy posted...

I haven't played that one and I probably never will at this point. I've given up on all of the Tom Clancy games, since they've successively phased out everything that made them unique and interesting.

I disliked Conviction and have no interest in the multi focused Tom Clancy games of today. But Blacklist was still damn good.

GiftedACIII posted...

Well, the new survival horror genre is pretty much blending survival horror and stealth and those are still quite big. And no mention of Thief in this topic?

You don't mean games like Outlast do you? Don't you have to spend a lot of that game running? I suppose Alien Isolation was like a stealth game but again I don't think that sold well lol. Thief bombed too didn't it?
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Some indie games do stealth well. Namely, Mark of the Ninja is fuckin' amazing.
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Darmik posted...

You don't mean games like Outlast do you? Don't you have to spend a lot of that game running? I suppose Alien Isolation was like a stealth game but again I don't think that sold well lol. Thief bombed too didn't it?

Did it? That's a shame. Even though I don't follow stealth games much I've still heard it's quite the underrated series. I was just surprised nobody mentioned it ITT.
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GiftedACIII posted...

Darmik posted...

You don't mean games like Outlast do you? Don't you have to spend a lot of that game running? I suppose Alien Isolation was like a stealth game but again I don't think that sold well lol. Thief bombed too didn't it?

Did it? That's a shame. Even though I don't follow stealth games much I've still heard it's quite the underrated series. I was just surprised nobody mentioned it ITT.

The latest Thief game had a bit of a mixed reception IIRC. I didn't bother with that one. It was a cross gen game I believe.

The originals are classics though yeah.
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fenderbender321 posted...

The original Thief games were the shit back in the day.

oh damn, yeah

another classic
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I'm so devastated because it's so true and those are my favorite franchises, those and Mass Effect.
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Tenchu died like a decade ago.

pfh1001 posted...

Tenchu died like a decade ago.

oh shit, i forgot about tenchu
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