Current Events > Was Matrix Reloaded a bad film?

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Ive seen a lot of people split on reloaded, as opposed to Revolutions which was pretty hated by a lot of people. I honestly thought Reloaded was good, but a little full of itself. What do you guys think?
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Neo vs like a 100 smiths at once is still the most badass action scene in a movie
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I've yet to hear any better alternative story ideas to the 2nd and 3rd films, so....
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I love that trilogy, really don't care if the internet hates it.
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Plot wise? Yes, it's dogshit.
Action and special effects wise? No, it's fucking awesome.

Only the 3rd movie was honestly pure shit.
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I hated the action in that one.

I'm gonna be honest, I liked the third film better.

Xelltrix posted...

I love that trilogy, really don't care if the internet hates it.

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pres_madagascar posted...

Action and special effects wise? No, it's fucking awesome.

Um, I loved all three movies but the second one had the agent fight which really can't be classified as "fucking awesome" in terms of CGI. Still awesome, sure, but the CGI was really bad, even when it came out, lol.
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I love all three movies.
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yes
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The action scenes make it worth watching

Totally lost me plot-wise though.
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*bowling pin noises*

Yes
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Not as bad as the 3rd movie, now that was hammered dog shit.
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IMO Reloaded was even worse than Revolutions.

The worst part about Revolutions was the hippy peace loving ending.
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I feel like Matrix Reloaded was the movie that popularized the whole over-use of choir in soundtracks that's still going on in movies and video games today.

I don't mind it but I feel like it started there.
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It had good action but it was the beginning of the end for the quality of the story.
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The only good film was the first one
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Evolician posted...

I feel like Matrix Reloaded was the movie that popularized the whole over-use of choir in soundtracks that's still going on in movies and video games today.

I don't mind it but I feel like it started there.

If anything did it, it was revelations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9qqLrdOzDg
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Evolician posted...

I feel like Matrix Reloaded was the movie that popularized the whole over-use of choir in soundtracks that's still going on in movies and video games today.

I don't mind it but I feel like it started there.

If anything did it, it was revelations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9qqLrdOzDg

Lmao yep that's exactly the song that came to mind.

Video games soundtracks will never let this go.
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I remember the highway scene being cooler than the Smith fight. Also apparently it was like the most expensive scene ever shot up to that point or something like that.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

I remember the highway scene being cooler than the Smith fight. Also apparently it was like the most expensive scene ever shot up to that point or something like that.

It was expensive because they built a highway to do it.
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The fight between Neo and the Merovingian's dudes is fucking awesome.
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There are no Matrix sequels.
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One of the many things that made the original Matrix such a treat was that it was able to take complex technological and philosophical dialogue and boil it down to something that was much more palatable for the average viewer. It was also much better paced - it knew where to put the exposition, and where to put the gunfights and karate. Reloaded didn't have the benefit of either; the best action sequence is too early, and having the climax be the neverending Architect scene caused damn near everyone to tune out.

It's possible that the Wachowskis wrote themselves into a corner after the first movie - they couldn't find away to recapture the magic of the first movie and explain through dialogue all their awesome concepts without having a character drone on and on and on. I'm guessing though that they got a little full of themselves with the success of the first movie and thought the moviegoing public would eat up every ounce of dialogue and exposition they'd put out; clearly they were wrong.
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First movie is a straight up masterpiece

Second was a fun watch for all the action and creative concepts

Third one was irredeemable shit
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My favourite is the first movie.

The rest (The Animatrix included) are watchable, but I personally treat them as non-canon even if that isn't the case.

Reloaded is my favorite one. The Twins were badass and the whole highway chase was amazing. Smith is badass with his "assimilation" power. OG Oracle (RIP to her actress). Visiting Zion for the first time was very cool. Neo fighting on the basketball court was dope.

Suck it haters.
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Link HT posted...

First movie is a straight up masterpiece

Second was a fun watch for all the action and creative concepts

Third one was irredeemable shit

This.
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Link HT posted...

Third one was irredeemable shit

This is true, ..but I still kinda like the final battle between Neo and Smith.
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The second movie was amazing. I never got why people loved to hate it
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stoltenberg11 posted...

The second movie was amazing. I never got why people loved to hate it

Because the first movie was all this huge deal about how they had to kill Morpheus because the Agents were going to torture the codes to Zion out of him but Neo refused to go along with that and mounted this daring rescue against all odds to save Morpheus' life and then it just later turns out in Reloaded that "lol we're just going to drill a hole lmao"
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ChromaticAngel posted...

stoltenberg11 posted...

The second movie was amazing. I never got why people loved to hate it

Because the first movie was all this huge deal about how they had to kill Morpheus because the Agents were going to torture the codes to Zion out of him but Neo refused to go along with that and mounted this daring rescue against all odds to save Morpheus' life and then it just later turns out in Reloaded that "lol we're just going to drill a hole lmao"

plan A didn't work and so then went to plan B

i don't see the problem here. plan B is something that takes long and gives time to the humans to do stuff in preparation. plan A was better but failed.
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The château fight through to end of the freeway chase were a great set of action sequences.
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myzz7 posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

stoltenberg11 posted...

The second movie was amazing. I never got why people loved to hate it

Because the first movie was all this huge deal about how they had to kill Morpheus because the Agents were going to torture the codes to Zion out of him but Neo refused to go along with that and mounted this daring rescue against all odds to save Morpheus' life and then it just later turns out in Reloaded that "lol we're just going to drill a hole lmao"

plan A didn't work and so then went to plan B

i don't see the problem here. plan B is something that takes long and gives time to the humans to do stuff in preparation. plan A was better but failed.

Yeah that's not a worthwhile complaint at all, especially for how much hate the movie gets.
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They were okay
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Revelations was worse. Neither of the two are "bad" though. However, neither of the sequels are anywhere near as good as the original.
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Blastia posted...

Neo vs like a 100 smiths at once is still the most badass action scene in a movie

That's a terrible scene. Even at the time, it looked so ridiculously fake as shit that I basically rolled my eyes at most of the movie. The highway scene was much better, as it was much more real.

The best part of the movie was how incredibly hot Monica Belluci was though.

garan posted...

That's a terrible scene. Even at the time, it looked so ridiculously fake as shit that I basically rolled my eyes at most of the movie. The highway scene was much better, as it was much more real.

yes it was cgi to hell. would you rather watch a typical hollywood fight scene with dark settings, quick camera cuts, and too close/funny angles where you can never see a damn thing thats happening? the neo fight scene was a lot better than most of the crap fight scenes in movies these days.
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stoltenberg11 posted...

garan posted...

That's a terrible scene. Even at the time, it looked so ridiculously fake as shit that I basically rolled my eyes at most of the movie. The highway scene was much better, as it was much more real.

yes it was cgi to hell. would you rather watch a typical hollywood fight scene with dark settings, quick camera cuts, and too close/funny angles where you can never see a damn thing thats happening? the neo fight scene was a lot better than most of the crap fight scenes in movies these days.

I already said, in the part you quoted even, that the highway scene was much better.

Also, lots of people can do decent fight scenes, just not all the people that have been doing that Borune crappy camera work garbage for the last decade or so.

You must have misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about the highway scene at all, which was a very good scene. I was saying that I thought the fight scene with all the Smiths was better than the typical Hollywood fight scene since you could actually see what was going on in it.
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I really liked Reloaded. Not as much as the first and some parts, like Zion, drag or are just uncomfortable (the orgy) but overall I really like it. Revolutions sucks.
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The CGI in the Neo vs Smiths fight has aged horriiibbblllyy.
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2 and 3 were not as good as 1 for sure but then again 1 is one of the best films ever so they don't necessarily need to be.

2 was a pretty solid film, even if it got a little too caught up in meaningless lore and its own narrative in exchange for the philosophical and religious ideas that made 1 such a masterpiece. Though the scene with the Merohoweveryouspellitian was decently thought-provoking.

3 definitely has the most flaws and basically none of the good stuff of the original, but there are some good things to say about it, like the speech Smith gives about why Neo won't give up, and... uh... I guess that's it.
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its still at least B+.

the first movie was A
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Never got into The Matrix. I never thought any of them were very good, even the first one (and yeah I watched it at the time of its release, it didn't grab me). Even parodies of The Matrix (of which there are millions) tend to be pretty stupid. Although the one that MTV did during that award show with Will Ferrell was fucking hilarious.