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FrenchCrunch 04/20/17 1:00:46 PM #51:	DarkChozoGhost posted... Raditz is a low class saiyan. He was strong for a lower class saiyan, but the average power level is still well above him. Probably in the 2500 range. Sure, if I turned into a saiyan right now, I wouldn't be that strong, but that's not what you were addressing in that post. the average saiyans were weaker than raditz, he was an elite <cite>FrenchCrunch posted [p:877565558] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>Raditz is a low class saiyan. He was strong for a lower class saiyan, but the average power level is still well above him. Probably in the 2500 range. Sure, if I turned into a saiyan right now, I wouldn't be that strong, but that's not what you were addressing in that post.</quote> the average saiyans were weaker than raditz, he was an elite</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3khc 04/20/17 1:05:43 PM #52:	Awakened_Link posted... Definitely an avatar, that'd be fucking incredible. Reincarnated spirit in human form and the only physical being capable of controlling the four classic elements. Incredible indeed. StarReaper13 posted... Saiyan if I could at least learn how to do Super Saiyan and fly. It's going to be difficult. Flying is not inherently a Saiyan ability. You need to master ki control. stoltenberg11 posted... Saiyans power up at stupid fast rates but I always thought that the way the force was described made it sound to me like it had boundless potential I think Goku and Vegeta power up at stupid fast rates. They're special guys, but that isn't to disparage how hard they worked to get to their level. Zeus posted... Jedi, because Jedi can prolong their lifespan. Dash_Harber posted... Avatar because it has the most potential. You could literally kill someone by pulling all the water out of their body, or shape metal into whatever you wanted, or fly, or suck the air out of a room and kill everyone, or make weapons out of the environment, or heal pretty much any non-fatal wound, or ... well the potential is almost limitless since nearly everything could reasonably argued to be made up of a combination of the four elements. That's not actually the most potential since it's only aggressive. Jedi have ways to kill instantly, but they can also bend people to their will, prolong their life, heal their bodies, see the future, move huge objects, etc. K181 posted... Saiyan. Ridiculously strong, even if a weak Saiyan (even Dragon Ball Goku would destroy any Jedi and it'd maybe be an even fight versus an avatar at their best), and very slow aging. All good. Actually, DB Goku would be killed very quickly by most Jedi considering they could predict his attacks and use a lightsaber to cut through his body. Even if you took the lightsaber off the table, Jedi could still use the force to choke Goku. If you recall, having the ability to stop somebody's heart was a game-changer in DB and that ability required far more focus. As for an Avatar, blood-bending would easily beat most Saiyans. King Rial posted... and my life is extended. Actually, your life isn't extended. Saiyans have the same lifespan as humans, but they stay in peak condition for far longer. Actually, I'm only really familiar with the force powers from the source material (Star Wars films). I've seen telekinesis, telepathy, astral projection, precognitive visions, create lightning, enhanced speed and reflexes, and mind persuasion. Plus, I don't think lightsaber technology exists or at least isn't readily available. --- ---- ----- <cite>3khc posted [p:877565864] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>Awakened_Link posted...</cite> <quote>Definitely an avatar, that'd be fucking incredible.</quote> Reincarnated spirit in human form and the only physical being capable of controlling the four classic elements. Incredible indeed. <cite>StarReaper13 posted...</cite> <quote>Saiyan if I could at least learn how to do Super Saiyan and fly.</quote> It's going to be difficult. Flying is not inherently a Saiyan ability. You need to master ki control. <cite>stoltenberg11 posted...</cite> <quote>Saiyans power up at stupid fast rates but I always thought that the way the force was described made it sound to me like it had boundless potential</quote> I think Goku and Vegeta power up at stupid fast rates. They're special guys, but that isn't to disparage how hard they worked to get to their level. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Jedi, because Jedi can prolong their lifespan. <cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Avatar because it has the most potential. You could literally kill someone by pulling all the water out of their body, or shape metal into whatever you wanted, or fly, or suck the air out of a room and kill everyone, or make weapons out of the environment, or heal pretty much any non-fatal wound, or ... well the potential is almost limitless since nearly everything could reasonably argued to be made up of a combination of the four elements.</quote> That's not actually the most potential since it's only aggressive. Jedi have ways to kill instantly, but they can also bend people to their will, prolong their life, heal their bodies, see the future, move huge objects, etc. <cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote>Saiyan. Ridiculously strong, even if a weak Saiyan (even Dragon Ball Goku would destroy any Jedi and it'd maybe be an even fight versus an avatar at their best), and very slow aging. All good.</quote> Actually, DB Goku would be killed very quickly by most Jedi considering they could predict his attacks and use a lightsaber to cut through his body. Even if you took the lightsaber off the table, Jedi could still use the force to choke Goku. If you recall, having the ability to stop somebody's heart was a game-changer in DB and that ability required far more focus. As for an Avatar, blood-bending would easily beat most Saiyans. <cite>King Rial posted...</cite> <quote>and my life is extended.</quote> Actually, your life isn't extended. Saiyans have the same lifespan as humans, but they stay in peak condition for far longer.</quote> Actually, I'm only really familiar with the force powers from the source material (Star Wars films). I've seen telekinesis, telepathy, astral projection, precognitive visions, create lightning, enhanced speed and reflexes, and mind persuasion. Plus, I don't think lightsaber technology exists or at least isn't readily available.</quote> ... 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FrenchCrunch 04/20/17 1:07:35 PM #53:	DarkChozoGhost posted... Kim Kusanagi posted... Let's see a Saiyan try to survive a force choke It would go the same as Chiaotzu's telekinesis attack on Nappa. The saiyan would completely ignore it through brute force. Apply a little bit of ki to their neck and it literally does nothing to them. kaioshin was like a million times weaker than gohan and that didnt stop him from restraining him <cite>FrenchCrunch posted [p:877565970] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kim Kusanagi posted...</cite> <quote> Let's see a Saiyan try to survive a force choke</quote> It would go the same as Chiaotzu's telekinesis attack on Nappa. The saiyan would completely ignore it through brute force. Apply a little bit of ki to their neck and it literally does nothing to them.</quote> kaioshin was like a million times weaker than gohan and that didnt stop him from restraining him</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim Kusanagi 04/20/17 1:07:55 PM #54:	DarkChozoGhost posted... It would go the same as Chiaotzu's telekinesis attack on Nappa. The saiyan would completely ignore it through brute force. You don't know that. Chaoz's telekinesis was his own power. A Sith's Force Choke is the Sith literally manipulating the living field that binds everything together in the universe to restrict airflow. Hardly the same. --- Live to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting. Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time! <cite>Kim Kusanagi posted [p:877565992] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>It would go the same as Chiaotzu's telekinesis attack on Nappa. The saiyan would completely ignore it through brute force.</quote> You don't know that. Chaoz's telekinesis was his own power. A Sith's Force Choke is the Sith literally manipulating the living field that binds everything together in the universe to restrict airflow. Hardly the same.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim Kusanagi 04/20/17 1:09:28 PM #55:	Zeus posted... Saiyans have the same lifespan as humans, but they stay in peak condition for far longer. Actually DBS retconned that. As of DBS Saiyans are confirmed to have longer lifespans. 80 yo is like 25 human yo for them. --- Live to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting. Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time! <cite>Kim Kusanagi posted [p:877566083] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote> Saiyans have the same lifespan as humans, but they stay in peak condition for far longer.</quote> Actually DBS retconned that. As of DBS Saiyans are confirmed to have longer lifespans. 80 yo is like 25 human yo for them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YookaLaylee 04/20/17 1:10:18 PM #56:	Saiyan>>> avatar>>>>>>>>>> Jedi --- https://media.giphy.com/media/26gsuNHaqCPgziZYA/giphy.gif <cite>YookaLaylee posted [p:877566138] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote>Saiyan>>> avatar>>>>>>>>>> Jedi</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrenchCrunch 04/20/17 1:12:17 PM #57:	YookaLaylee posted... Saiyan>>> avatar>>>>>>>>>> Jedi the hell is an avatar gonna do to a jedi <cite>FrenchCrunch posted [p:877566244] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>Saiyan>>> avatar>>>>>>>>>> Jedi</quote> the hell is an avatar gonna do to a jedi</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3khc 04/20/17 1:12:22 PM #58:	Samurontai posted... 3khcposted... The force seems to require a focused mind. Nah, a focused mind only really matters when you want to do significant feats. Like lifting a tank, projecting a shield, mind controlling someone, or healing with the force. Unstable and unfocused Jedi/Sith can do basic things like lifting and throwing people, and using the force to enhance their combat abilities (such as using that weird spider sense stuff where you can "feel" where danger is coming from). Also, if you succumb to the dark side, the more unstable and insane you are, the more enhanced your powers become. The dark side focuses emotions like rage. Still requires a strong mind. Dash_Harber posted... Zeus posted... That's not actually the most potential since it's only aggressive. Jedi have ways to kill instantly, but they can also bend people to their will, prolong their life, heal their bodies, see the future, move huge objects, etc. ... and so can the Avatar. Blood bending actually lets you physically control people. Your brain and body are predominately water, so you could probably manipulate people through that. Waterbenders can heal. Combining air and earth, you could move pretty much anything. Earth lets you move and control metal. It also has lots of non-aggressive potential, such as building thing at will, healing, controlling life, etc. Oh, and Avatars tend to live into their hundreds, and they are (apparently) just normal humans. I'd say an Avatar in today's time would still have the average lifespan. Kyoshi was an exception, but maybe she unlocked a secret that other Avatars never learned. l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted... Before you pick Saiyan, remember that there's no Master Roshi to teach you how to use your Ki or Kami to teach you how to fly. There's also no Katara to teach you waterbending (let alone bloodbening) or Toph to teach you Earthbending, etc. I'll go with Jedi, since that actually entails knowing how to use your powers. Someone who can kinda use the force but doesn't know how to isn't a Jedi, he's a Padawan. I used Jedi for lack of a better term. You still need to learn how to use your abilities. Just like the Avatar needs to learn how to control the elements. Dash_Harber posted... l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted... Before you pick Saiyan, remember that there's no Master Roshi to teach you how to use your Ki or Kami to teach you how to fly. There's also no Katara to teach you waterbending (let alone bloodbening) or Toph to teach you Earthbending, etc. I'll go with Jedi, since that actually entails knowing how to use your powers. Someone who can kinda use the force but doesn't know how to isn't a Jedi, he's a Padawan. There is no Jedi council to teach you how to use the force. They literally train their entire lives to become Jedi. Every Jedi you see except for the protagonists (whose lineage includes the force itself) trained their entire lives to do what they do. This. --- ---- ----- <cite>3khc posted [p:877566249] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>Samurontai posted...</cite> <quote><cite>3khcposted...</cite> <quote>The force seems to require a focused mind.</quote> Nah, a focused mind only really matters when you want to do significant feats. Like lifting a tank, projecting a shield, mind controlling someone, or healing with the force. Unstable and unfocused Jedi/Sith can do basic things like lifting and throwing people, and using the force to enhance their combat abilities (such as using that weird spider sense stuff where you can "feel" where danger is coming from). Also, if you succumb to the dark side, the more unstable and insane you are, the more enhanced your powers become.</quote> The dark side focuses emotions like rage. Still requires a strong mind. <cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>That's not actually the most potential since it's only aggressive. Jedi have ways to kill instantly, but they can also bend people to their will, prolong their life, heal their bodies, see the future, move huge objects, etc. </quote> ... and so can the Avatar. Blood bending actually lets you physically control people. Your brain and body are predominately water, so you could probably manipulate people through that. Waterbenders can heal. Combining air and earth, you could move pretty much anything. Earth lets you move and control metal. It also has lots of non-aggressive potential, such as building thing at will, healing, controlling life, etc. Oh, and Avatars tend to live into their hundreds, and they are (apparently) just normal humans.</quote> I'd say an Avatar in today's time would still have the average lifespan. Kyoshi was an exception, but maybe she unlocked a secret that other Avatars never learned. <cite>l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...</cite> <quote>Before you pick Saiyan, remember that there's no Master Roshi to teach you how to use your Ki or Kami to teach you how to fly. There's also no Katara to teach you waterbending (let alone bloodbening) or Toph to teach you Earthbending, etc. I'll go with Jedi, since that actually entails knowing how to use your powers. Someone who can kinda use the force but doesn't know how to isn't a Jedi, he's a Padawan.</quote> I used Jedi for lack of a better term. You still need to learn how to use your abilities. Just like the Avatar needs to learn how to control the elements. <cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...</cite> <quote>Before you pick Saiyan, remember that there's no Master Roshi to teach you how to use your Ki or Kami to teach you how to fly. There's also no Katara to teach you waterbending (let alone bloodbening) or Toph to teach you Earthbending, etc. I'll go with Jedi, since that actually entails knowing how to use your powers. Someone who can kinda use the force but doesn't know how to isn't a Jedi, he's a Padawan.</quote> There is no Jedi council to teach you how to use the force. They literally train their entire lives to become Jedi. Every Jedi you see except for the protagonists (whose lineage includes the force itself) trained their entire lives to do what they do.</quote> This.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YookaLaylee 04/20/17 1:16:45 PM #59:	FrenchCrunch posted... YookaLaylee posted... Saiyan>>> avatar>>>>>>>>>> Jedi the hell is an avatar gonna do to a jedi Jedis are pretty weak. If you look back at the original trilogy, you'll see that they don't have a lot of cool feats. Other than dearth Vader force choking people, they don't really do anything besides the Jedi mind trick and using light sabers. And the Jedi mind trick only works on weak willed people. The avatar is much more powerful in comparison. He can strike you with lightning, burn you, throw boulders at you, slice you to death with air and hurricanes, control metal, create tsunamis or remove all of the water in your body. Plus the avatar gets reincarnated over and over again so you're essentially immortal. It's way better than being a Jedi. --- https://media.giphy.com/media/26gsuNHaqCPgziZYA/giphy.gif <cite>YookaLaylee posted [p:877566500] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>Saiyan>>> avatar>>>>>>>>>> Jedi</quote> the hell is an avatar gonna do to a jedi</quote> Jedis are pretty weak. If you look back at the original trilogy, you'll see that they don't have a lot of cool feats. Other than dearth Vader force choking people, they don't really do anything besides the Jedi mind trick and using light sabers. And the Jedi mind trick only works on weak willed people. The avatar is much more powerful in comparison. He can strike you with lightning, burn you, throw boulders at you, slice you to death with air and hurricanes, control metal, create tsunamis or remove all of the water in your body. Plus the avatar gets reincarnated over and over again so you're essentially immortal. It's way better than being a Jedi.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 04/20/17 1:25:17 PM #60:	FrenchCrunch posted... the average saiyans were weaker than raditz, he was an elite This is flat out wrong. Raditz is characteristically NOT an elite. --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:877566996] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote>the average saiyans were weaker than raditz, he was an elite</quote> This is flat out wrong. Raditz is characteristically NOT an elite.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3khc 04/20/17 1:52:22 PM #61:	Zeus posted... Dash_Harber posted... Your brain and body are predominately water, so you could probably manipulate people through that. Probably? There's zero basis to that claim or idea. The only blood-bending we saw was rudimentary, crude stuff where entire limbs or the body was moved. There was not even a hint that it could be used to manipulate peoples' minds. All it could do was move people around like puppets, which Jedi could do as well IN ADDITION to manipulating peoples' minds. Dash_Harber posted... It also has lots of non-aggressive potential, such as building thing at will, healing, controlling life, etc. Basis for the controlling life claim? Or are you just talking about plant life? Because Jedi can control plant life (even causing plants to rapidly grow) and influence animals. Dash_Harber posted... Oh, and Avatars tend to live into their hundreds, and they are (apparently) just normal humans. Into their hundreds meaning what? If we're talking Aang's lifespan, he was frozen in a block of ice. If we're talking 110, 115, 120, humans can live that long normally. If by into their hundreds, you mean hundreds of years, Jedi can do that as well. Otherwise, everything sounds like things that Jedi can do except Jedi have more powers on top of that. Jedi have an insane number of abilities which encompass basically everything. Force powers could even be used to create monsters out of other living creatures. A lot of those are top secret highly advanced techniques. Idk if anyone here would be able to reach that level. l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted... But if you're a Jedi, you already know that stuff. If you don't, you're not a Jedi at all. To become a Saiyan is not to learn how to fly, and to be the Avatar is not to learn how to bend, but to be a Jedi is to learn how to use the Force. It's like being a doctor. You're not a doctor if you don't know what you're doing. Becoming a doctor entails having all the knowledge of one. You're arguing semantics. When I said you become a jedi, I dont meant to say you've been trained. What I meant was that you just realized you have the ability to manipulate the force. Mal_Fet posted... Jedi is the best. Being a Saiyan doesn't necessarily mean you're a planet-buster. Even after training his whole life, Goku wasn't even the srongest person on Earth by the time he was 16. Also, Saiyan Gods can still get punked out by man-made weapons (apparently). The Avatar, as far as I can tell, can't theoretically do anything a Jedi can't. The EU is packed with Force users who can do weird shit like create fire and fly. And while Jedis require training, the amount of time needed to become competent isn't nearly as long as you'd have to train to be a Saiyan. Jedi is best. You are right about Saiyans. Goku trained under martial arts masters his whole life. What resources do we have? As far as jedi go, maybe we shouldn't include the EU. It reminds me of Superman vs Goku and the ridiculous feats. Kim Kusanagi posted... How shocking A bunch of weaboos think a saiyan could take on a jedi and win Hilarious A lot of people seem to be comparing the three at their max potential. Everyone at their base is pretty even, combat wise. --- ---- ----- <cite>3khc posted [p:877568660] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Your brain and body are predominately water, so you could probably manipulate people through that.</quote> Probably? There's zero basis to that claim or idea. The only blood-bending we saw was rudimentary, crude stuff where entire limbs or the body was moved. There was not even a hint that it could be used to manipulate peoples' minds. All it could do was move people around like puppets, which Jedi could do as well IN ADDITION to manipulating peoples' minds. <cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote> It also has lots of non-aggressive potential, such as building thing at will, healing, controlling life, etc. </quote> Basis for the controlling life claim? Or are you just talking about plant life? Because Jedi can control plant life (even causing plants to rapidly grow) and influence animals. <cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Oh, and Avatars tend to live into their hundreds, and they are (apparently) just normal humans.</quote> Into their hundreds meaning what? If we're talking Aang's lifespan, he was frozen in a block of ice. If we're talking 110, 115, 120, humans can live that long normally. If by into their hundreds, you mean hundreds of years, Jedi can do that as well. Otherwise, everything sounds like things that Jedi can do except Jedi have more powers on top of that. Jedi have an insane number of abilities which encompass basically everything. Force powers could even be used to create monsters out of other living creatures.</quote> A lot of those are top secret highly advanced techniques. Idk if anyone here would be able to reach that level. <cite>l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...</cite> <quote>But if you're a Jedi, you already know that stuff. If you don't, you're not a Jedi at all. To become a Saiyan is not to learn how to fly, and to be the Avatar is not to learn how to bend, but to be a Jedi is to learn how to use the Force. It's like being a doctor. You're not a doctor if you don't know what you're doing. Becoming a doctor entails having all the knowledge of one.</quote> You're arguing semantics. When I said you become a jedi, I dont meant to say you've been trained. What I meant was that you just realized you have the ability to manipulate the force. <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>Jedi is the best. Being a Saiyan doesn't necessarily mean you're a planet-buster. Even after training his whole life, Goku wasn't even the srongest person on Earth by the time he was 16. Also, Saiyan Gods can still get punked out by man-made weapons (apparently). The Avatar, as far as I can tell, can't theoretically do anything a Jedi can't. The EU is packed with Force users who can do weird shit like create fire and fly. And while Jedis require training, the amount of time needed to become competent isn't nearly as long as you'd have to train to be a Saiyan. Jedi is best.</quote> You are right about Saiyans. Goku trained under martial arts masters his whole life. What resources do we have? As far as jedi go, maybe we shouldn't include the EU. It reminds me of Superman vs Goku and the ridiculous feats. <cite>Kim Kusanagi posted...</cite> <quote>How shocking A bunch of weaboos think a saiyan could take on a jedi and win Hilarious</quote> A lot of people seem to be comparing the three at their max potential. Everyone at their base is pretty even, combat wise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrenchCrunch 04/20/17 2:41:44 PM #62:	YookaLaylee posted... Jedis are pretty weak. If you look back at the original trilogy, you'll see that they don't have a lot of cool feats. Other than dearth Vader force choking people, they don't really do anything besides the Jedi mind trick and using light sabers. And the Jedi mind trick only works on weak willed people. The avatar is much more powerful in comparison. He can strike you with lightning, burn you, throw boulders at you, slice you to death with air and hurricanes, control metal, create tsunamis or remove all of the water in your body. Plus the avatar gets reincarnated over and over again so you're essentially immortal. It's way better than being a Jedi. okay and then we have the prequels and sequel that show they can do things like use super speed, predict the future, hold blaster fire, toss giant objects, and much more they'll be faster than an avatar and precognitive DarkChozoGhost posted... FrenchCrunch posted... the average saiyans were weaker than raditz, he was an elite This is flat out wrong. Raditz is characteristically NOT an elite. raditz was the same rank as nappa <cite>FrenchCrunch posted [p:877571660] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>Jedis are pretty weak. If you look back at the original trilogy, you'll see that they don't have a lot of cool feats. Other than dearth Vader force choking people, they don't really do anything besides the Jedi mind trick and using light sabers. And the Jedi mind trick only works on weak willed people. The avatar is much more powerful in comparison. He can strike you with lightning, burn you, throw boulders at you, slice you to death with air and hurricanes, control metal, create tsunamis or remove all of the water in your body. Plus the avatar gets reincarnated over and over again so you're essentially immortal. It's way better than being a Jedi.</quote> okay and then we have the prequels and sequel that show they can do things like use super speed, predict the future, hold blaster fire, toss giant objects, and much more they'll be faster than an avatar and precognitive <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote>the average saiyans were weaker than raditz, he was an elite</quote> This is flat out wrong. Raditz is characteristically NOT an elite.</quote> raditz was the same rank as nappa</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YookaLaylee 04/20/17 2:49:05 PM #63:	FrenchCrunch posted... YookaLaylee posted... Jedis are pretty weak. If you look back at the original trilogy, you'll see that they don't have a lot of cool feats. Other than dearth Vader force choking people, they don't really do anything besides the Jedi mind trick and using light sabers. And the Jedi mind trick only works on weak willed people. The avatar is much more powerful in comparison. He can strike you with lightning, burn you, throw boulders at you, slice you to death with air and hurricanes, control metal, create tsunamis or remove all of the water in your body. Plus the avatar gets reincarnated over and over again so you're essentially immortal. It's way better than being a Jedi. okay and then we have the prequels and sequel that show they can do things like use super speed, predict the future, hold blaster fire, toss giant objects, and much more they'll be faster than an avatar and precognitive DarkChozoGhost posted... FrenchCrunch posted... the average saiyans were weaker than raditz, he was an elite This is flat out wrong. Raditz is characteristically NOT an elite. raditz was the same rank as nappa The prequels aren't canon for me. --- https://media.giphy.com/media/26gsuNHaqCPgziZYA/giphy.gif <cite>YookaLaylee posted [p:877572106] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>Jedis are pretty weak. If you look back at the original trilogy, you'll see that they don't have a lot of cool feats. Other than dearth Vader force choking people, they don't really do anything besides the Jedi mind trick and using light sabers. And the Jedi mind trick only works on weak willed people. The avatar is much more powerful in comparison. He can strike you with lightning, burn you, throw boulders at you, slice you to death with air and hurricanes, control metal, create tsunamis or remove all of the water in your body. Plus the avatar gets reincarnated over and over again so you're essentially immortal. It's way better than being a Jedi.</quote> okay and then we have the prequels and sequel that show they can do things like use super speed, predict the future, hold blaster fire, toss giant objects, and much more they'll be faster than an avatar and precognitive <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote>the average saiyans were weaker than raditz, he was an elite</quote> This is flat out wrong. Raditz is characteristically NOT an elite.</quote> raditz was the same rank as nappa</quote> The prequels aren't canon for me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim Kusanagi 04/20/17 2:50:43 PM #64:	YookaLaylee posted... FrenchCrunch posted... YookaLaylee posted... Jedis are pretty weak. If you look back at the original trilogy, you'll see that they don't have a lot of cool feats. Other than dearth Vader force choking people, they don't really do anything besides the Jedi mind trick and using light sabers. And the Jedi mind trick only works on weak willed people. The avatar is much more powerful in comparison. He can strike you with lightning, burn you, throw boulders at you, slice you to death with air and hurricanes, control metal, create tsunamis or remove all of the water in your body. Plus the avatar gets reincarnated over and over again so you're essentially immortal. It's way better than being a Jedi. okay and then we have the prequels and sequel that show they can do things like use super speed, predict the future, hold blaster fire, toss giant objects, and much more they'll be faster than an avatar and precognitive DarkChozoGhost posted... FrenchCrunch posted... the average saiyans were weaker than raditz, he was an elite This is flat out wrong. Raditz is characteristically NOT an elite. raditz was the same rank as nappa The prequels aren't canon for me. You don't get to decide the canon sorry. --- Live to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting. Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time! <cite>Kim Kusanagi posted [p:877572209] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>Jedis are pretty weak. If you look back at the original trilogy, you'll see that they don't have a lot of cool feats. Other than dearth Vader force choking people, they don't really do anything besides the Jedi mind trick and using light sabers. And the Jedi mind trick only works on weak willed people. The avatar is much more powerful in comparison. He can strike you with lightning, burn you, throw boulders at you, slice you to death with air and hurricanes, control metal, create tsunamis or remove all of the water in your body. Plus the avatar gets reincarnated over and over again so you're essentially immortal. It's way better than being a Jedi.</quote> okay and then we have the prequels and sequel that show they can do things like use super speed, predict the future, hold blaster fire, toss giant objects, and much more they'll be faster than an avatar and precognitive <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote>the average saiyans were weaker than raditz, he was an elite</quote> This is flat out wrong. Raditz is characteristically NOT an elite.</quote> raditz was the same rank as nappa</quote> The prequels aren't canon for me.</quote> You don't get to decide the canon sorry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YookaLaylee 04/20/17 2:52:17 PM #65:	Kim Kusanagi posted... YookaLaylee posted... FrenchCrunch posted... YookaLaylee posted... Jedis are pretty weak. If you look back at the original trilogy, you'll see that they don't have a lot of cool feats. Other than dearth Vader force choking people, they don't really do anything besides the Jedi mind trick and using light sabers. And the Jedi mind trick only works on weak willed people. The avatar is much more powerful in comparison. He can strike you with lightning, burn you, throw boulders at you, slice you to death with air and hurricanes, control metal, create tsunamis or remove all of the water in your body. Plus the avatar gets reincarnated over and over again so you're essentially immortal. It's way better than being a Jedi. okay and then we have the prequels and sequel that show they can do things like use super speed, predict the future, hold blaster fire, toss giant objects, and much more they'll be faster than an avatar and precognitive DarkChozoGhost posted... FrenchCrunch posted... the average saiyans were weaker than raditz, he was an elite This is flat out wrong. Raditz is characteristically NOT an elite. raditz was the same rank as nappa The prequels aren't canon for me. You don't get to decide the canon sorry. I said for me. And even with those abilities, the avatar would still roflstomp a Jedi. He could just bloodbend the Jedi as soon as the fight started and make him kill himself. Game over. --- https://media.giphy.com/media/26gsuNHaqCPgziZYA/giphy.gif <cite>YookaLaylee posted [p:877572314] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kim Kusanagi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>Jedis are pretty weak. If you look back at the original trilogy, you'll see that they don't have a lot of cool feats. Other than dearth Vader force choking people, they don't really do anything besides the Jedi mind trick and using light sabers. And the Jedi mind trick only works on weak willed people. The avatar is much more powerful in comparison. He can strike you with lightning, burn you, throw boulders at you, slice you to death with air and hurricanes, control metal, create tsunamis or remove all of the water in your body. Plus the avatar gets reincarnated over and over again so you're essentially immortal. It's way better than being a Jedi.</quote> okay and then we have the prequels and sequel that show they can do things like use super speed, predict the future, hold blaster fire, toss giant objects, and much more they'll be faster than an avatar and precognitive <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote>the average saiyans were weaker than raditz, he was an elite</quote> This is flat out wrong. Raditz is characteristically NOT an elite.</quote> raditz was the same rank as nappa</quote> The prequels aren't canon for me.</quote> You don't get to decide the canon sorry.</quote> I said for me. And even with those abilities, the avatar would still roflstomp a Jedi. He could just bloodbend the Jedi as soon as the fight started and make him kill himself. Game over.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3khc 04/20/17 3:02:13 PM #66:	kkTheKiller42 posted... Zeus posted... Dash_Harber posted... Your brain and body are predominately water, so you could probably manipulate people through that. Probably? There's zero basis to that claim or idea. The only blood-bending we saw was rudimentary, crude stuff where entire limbs or the body was moved. There was not even a hint that it could be used to manipulate peoples' minds. All it could do was move people around like puppets, which Jedi could do as well IN ADDITION to manipulating peoples' minds. Dash_Harber posted... It also has lots of non-aggressive potential, such as building thing at will, healing, controlling life, etc. Basis for the controlling life claim? Or are you just talking about plant life? Because Jedi can control plant life (even causing plants to rapidly grow) and influence animals. Dash_Harber posted... Oh, and Avatars tend to live into their hundreds, and they are (apparently) just normal humans. Into their hundreds meaning what? If we're talking Aang's lifespan, he was frozen in a block of ice. If we're talking 110, 115, 120, humans can live that long normally. If by into their hundreds, you mean hundreds of years, Jedi can do that as well. Otherwise, everything sounds like things that Jedi can do except Jedi have more powers on top of that. Jedi have an insane number of abilities which encompass basically everything. Force powers could even be used to create monsters out of other living creatures. the part about living into their hundreds. I think that poster meant King Bumi, but if we were going off of King Bumi, we have to keep in mind that he was a talented bender and lived to be 112 due to his power I believe. He also was one of the stronger earth benders in his old age seeing as how he can bend earth with just his face. I would attribute King Bumi's longevity to his physical fitness. Old dude is yolked. Dash_Harber posted... Mal_Fet posted... like create fire and fly To be fair, The Avatar can create and control elements. Even if we use EU fire powers, I'm assuming the Avatar has far better control. --- ---- ----- <cite>3khc posted [p:877572885] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>kkTheKiller42 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Your brain and body are predominately water, so you could probably manipulate people through that.</quote> Probably? There's zero basis to that claim or idea. The only blood-bending we saw was rudimentary, crude stuff where entire limbs or the body was moved. There was not even a hint that it could be used to manipulate peoples' minds. All it could do was move people around like puppets, which Jedi could do as well IN ADDITION to manipulating peoples' minds. <cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote> It also has lots of non-aggressive potential, such as building thing at will, healing, controlling life, etc. </quote> Basis for the controlling life claim? Or are you just talking about plant life? Because Jedi can control plant life (even causing plants to rapidly grow) and influence animals. <cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Oh, and Avatars tend to live into their hundreds, and they are (apparently) just normal humans.</quote> Into their hundreds meaning what? If we're talking Aang's lifespan, he was frozen in a block of ice. If we're talking 110, 115, 120, humans can live that long normally. If by into their hundreds, you mean hundreds of years, Jedi can do that as well. Otherwise, everything sounds like things that Jedi can do except Jedi have more powers on top of that. Jedi have an insane number of abilities which encompass basically everything. Force powers could even be used to create monsters out of other living creatures.</quote> the part about living into their hundreds. I think that poster meant King Bumi, but if we were going off of King Bumi, we have to keep in mind that he was a talented bender and lived to be 112 due to his power I believe. He also was one of the stronger earth benders in his old age seeing as how he can bend earth with just his face.</quote> I would attribute King Bumi's longevity to his physical fitness. Old dude is yolked. <cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>like create fire and fly</quote> To be fair, The Avatar can create and control elements.</quote> Even if we use EU fire powers, I'm assuming the Avatar has far better control.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim Kusanagi 04/20/17 3:10:45 PM #67:	YookaLaylee posted... He could just bloodbend the Jedi as soon as the fight started and make him kill himself. Game over. Is he faster than the Jedi could force lightning him down? I seriously doubt it. BTW yes Jedi can use Force Lightning. --- Live to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting. Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time! <cite>Kim Kusanagi posted [p:877573390] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>He could just bloodbend the Jedi as soon as the fight started and make him kill himself. Game over.</quote> Is he faster than the Jedi could force lightning him down? I seriously doubt it. BTW yes Jedi can use Force Lightning.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrenchCrunch 04/20/17 3:13:17 PM #68:	YookaLaylee posted... I said for me. And even with those abilities, the avatar would still roflstomp a Jedi. He could just bloodbend the Jedi as soon as the fight started and make him kill himself. Game over. avatar is slower, cant bloodbend, and cant see the future like what can they actually do darth vader choked a man from across the galaxy <cite>FrenchCrunch posted [p:877573540] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>I said for me. And even with those abilities, the avatar would still roflstomp a Jedi. He could just bloodbend the Jedi as soon as the fight started and make him kill himself. Game over.</quote> avatar is slower, cant bloodbend, and cant see the future like what can they actually do darth vader choked a man from across the galaxy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YookaLaylee 04/20/17 3:26:03 PM #69:	FrenchCrunch posted... YookaLaylee posted... I said for me. And even with those abilities, the avatar would still roflstomp a Jedi. He could just bloodbend the Jedi as soon as the fight started and make him kill himself. Game over. avatar is slower, cant bloodbend, and cant see the future like what can they actually do darth vader choked a man from across the galaxy How so the avatar slower? When they use airbending, they can basically have super speed. In the legend of Korra, they retconned it so that you could bloodbend without waiting for a full moon. You can do it whenever you want if you train for it. Being able to see the future isn't going to help you in a fight if the other persons tops you from moving. --- https://media.giphy.com/media/26gsuNHaqCPgziZYA/giphy.gif <cite>YookaLaylee posted [p:877574342] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>I said for me. And even with those abilities, the avatar would still roflstomp a Jedi. He could just bloodbend the Jedi as soon as the fight started and make him kill himself. Game over.</quote> avatar is slower, cant bloodbend, and cant see the future like what can they actually do darth vader choked a man from across the galaxy</quote> How so the avatar slower? When they use airbending, they can basically have super speed. In the legend of Korra, they retconned it so that you could bloodbend without waiting for a full moon. You can do it whenever you want if you train for it. Being able to see the future isn't going to help you in a fight if the other persons tops you from moving.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim Kusanagi 04/20/17 3:27:20 PM #70:	YookaLaylee posted... FrenchCrunch posted... YookaLaylee posted... I said for me. And even with those abilities, the avatar would still roflstomp a Jedi. He could just bloodbend the Jedi as soon as the fight started and make him kill himself. Game over. avatar is slower, cant bloodbend, and cant see the future like what can they actually do darth vader choked a man from across the galaxy How so the avatar slower? When they use airbending, they can basically have super speed. In the legend of Korra, they retconned it so that you could bloodbend without waiting for a full moon. You can do it whenever you want if you train for it. Being able to see the future isn't going to help you in a fight if the other persons tops you from moving. Yes because the Jedi can't use the skill to foresee like they have always done. --- Live to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting. Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time! <cite>Kim Kusanagi posted [p:877574418] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>I said for me. And even with those abilities, the avatar would still roflstomp a Jedi. He could just bloodbend the Jedi as soon as the fight started and make him kill himself. Game over.</quote> avatar is slower, cant bloodbend, and cant see the future like what can they actually do darth vader choked a man from across the galaxy</quote> How so the avatar slower? When they use airbending, they can basically have super speed. In the legend of Korra, they retconned it so that you could bloodbend without waiting for a full moon. You can do it whenever you want if you train for it. Being able to see the future isn't going to help you in a fight if the other persons tops you from moving.</quote> Yes because the Jedi can't use the skill to foresee like they have always done.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 04/20/17 3:27:22 PM #71:	FrenchCrunch posted... raditz was the same rank as nappa This is literally untrue --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:877574421] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote>raditz was the same rank as nappa</quote> This is literally untrue</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YookaLaylee 04/20/17 3:29:09 PM #72:	Kim Kusanagi posted... YookaLaylee posted... FrenchCrunch posted... YookaLaylee posted... I said for me. And even with those abilities, the avatar would still roflstomp a Jedi. He could just bloodbend the Jedi as soon as the fight started and make him kill himself. Game over. avatar is slower, cant bloodbend, and cant see the future like what can they actually do darth vader choked a man from across the galaxy How so the avatar slower? When they use airbending, they can basically have super speed. In the legend of Korra, they retconned it so that you could bloodbend without waiting for a full moon. You can do it whenever you want if you train for it. Being able to see the future isn't going to help you in a fight if the other persons tops you from moving. Yes because the Jedi can't use the skill to foresee like they have always done. Again, if you can't move, seeing that you wouldn't be able to move in advance isn't going to help you. What are you going to do? Drain all your blood before the fight starts? Lol --- https://media.giphy.com/media/26gsuNHaqCPgziZYA/giphy.gif <cite>YookaLaylee posted [p:877574524] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kim Kusanagi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>I said for me. And even with those abilities, the avatar would still roflstomp a Jedi. He could just bloodbend the Jedi as soon as the fight started and make him kill himself. Game over.</quote> avatar is slower, cant bloodbend, and cant see the future like what can they actually do darth vader choked a man from across the galaxy</quote> How so the avatar slower? When they use airbending, they can basically have super speed. In the legend of Korra, they retconned it so that you could bloodbend without waiting for a full moon. You can do it whenever you want if you train for it. Being able to see the future isn't going to help you in a fight if the other persons tops you from moving.</quote> Yes because the Jedi can't use the skill to foresee like they have always done.</quote> Again, if you can't move, seeing that you wouldn't be able to move in advance isn't going to help you. What are you going to do? Drain all your blood before the fight starts? Lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BipBapBam 04/20/17 3:31:28 PM #73:	Saiyan. Even if you were a weakling low rank one like Raditz you could demolish the entire planet's armies if you felt like it. But most importantly you can fly and shit. 2nd place probably Jedi. Avatar doesn't look nearly as fun/useful outside air bending. --- Cowboy Bip Bop <cite>BipBapBam posted [p:877574668] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote>Saiyan. Even if you were a weakling low rank one like Raditz you could demolish the entire planet's armies if you felt like it. But most importantly you can fly and shit. 2nd place probably Jedi. Avatar doesn't look nearly as fun/useful outside air bending.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3khc 04/20/17 3:38:28 PM #74:	Dash_Harber posted... Zeus posted... Probably? There's zero basis to that claim or idea. The only blood-bending we saw was rudimentary, crude stuff where entire limbs or the body was moved. There was not even a hint that it could be used to manipulate peoples' minds. All it could do was move people around like puppets, which Jedi could do as well IN ADDITION to manipulating peoples' minds. Fair enough, but blood bending is almost potentially as powerful as controlling the mind. Zeus posted... Basis for the controlling life claim? Or are you just talking about plant life? Because Jedi can control plant life (even causing plants to rapidly grow) and influence animals. Not in cannon, at least, but that is an entirely different discussion. Doesn't discredit the fact that an Avatar has control over metal, water, earth, plants, fire, lightning, electricity, air, clouds, life, human bodies, ice, mist, and fog. The offensive and defensive potential are insane. That's not to say Jedi are weak, but you have to give some points to Avatar for their raw potential. Zeus posted... Into their hundreds meaning what? If we're talking Aang's lifespan, he was frozen in a block of ice. If we're talking 110, 115, 120, humans can live that long normally. If by into their hundreds, you mean hundreds of years, Jedi can do that as well. Otherwise, everything sounds like things that Jedi can do except Jedi have more powers on top of that. Jedi have an insane number of abilities which encompass basically everything. Force powers could even be used to create monsters out of other living creatures. Yeah, my point, both live a very long time. Even if Aang different, there are benders who live long, meaning bending is probably the reason. Remember, I was pointing out that all the things you said Jedi can do, Avatars can too. They literally have control over air, water, and earth, which means they control literally the entire planet. Also, Jedi can't summon giant elementals to do their bidding. I just don't know if age is a power of the Avatar, or just the result of whatever is in the drinking water in the Avatar universe. Mal_Fet posted... Dash_Harber posted... Mal_Fet posted... like create fire and fly To be fair, The Avatar can create and control elements. That's what I'm saying. Jedi can too, plus they have a ton of other tricks The Avatar can enter the Spirit World. --- ---- ----- <cite>3khc posted [p:877575122] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote> Probably? There's zero basis to that claim or idea. The only blood-bending we saw was rudimentary, crude stuff where entire limbs or the body was moved. There was not even a hint that it could be used to manipulate peoples' minds. All it could do was move people around like puppets, which Jedi could do as well IN ADDITION to manipulating peoples' minds.</quote> Fair enough, but blood bending is almost potentially as powerful as controlling the mind. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote> Basis for the controlling life claim? Or are you just talking about plant life? Because Jedi can control plant life (even causing plants to rapidly grow) and influence animals. </quote> Not in cannon, at least, but that is an entirely different discussion. Doesn't discredit the fact that an Avatar has control over metal, water, earth, plants, fire, lightning, electricity, air, clouds, life, human bodies, ice, mist, and fog. The offensive and defensive potential are insane. That's not to say Jedi are weak, but you have to give some points to Avatar for their raw potential. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Into their hundreds meaning what? If we're talking Aang's lifespan, he was frozen in a block of ice. If we're talking 110, 115, 120, humans can live that long normally. If by into their hundreds, you mean hundreds of years, Jedi can do that as well. Otherwise, everything sounds like things that Jedi can do except Jedi have more powers on top of that. Jedi have an insane number of abilities which encompass basically everything. Force powers could even be used to create monsters out of other living creatures.</quote> Yeah, my point, both live a very long time. Even if Aang different, there are benders who live long, meaning bending is probably the reason. Remember, I was pointing out that all the things you said Jedi can do, Avatars can too. They literally have control over air, water, and earth, which means they control literally the entire planet. Also, Jedi can't summon giant elementals to do their bidding.</quote> I just don't know if age is a power of the Avatar, or just the result of whatever is in the drinking water in the Avatar universe. <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>like create fire and fly</quote> To be fair, The Avatar can create and control elements.</quote> That's what I'm saying. Jedi can too, plus they have a ton of other tricks</quote> The Avatar can enter the Spirit World.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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3khc 04/20/17 3:51:57 PM #76:	FrenchCrunch posted... an average jedi > average saiyan and lolavatar make me a jedi I'm pretty sure that all of us here would be lower than the average. Regardless of what option we choose. How can we find the resources to learn the techniques? It would take a lot of self reflection and training to move a rock. LightHawKnight posted... A saiyan can destroy an entire planet with a finger. What can the others do? Also a saiyan can get infinitely stronger by getting beat near to death and recovering. That's assuming you get to that level which is a Super Saiyan feat. And the problem with going for the zenkai boost is that near-death can easily mean death. You want to risk getting shot in the heart when there are no senzu beans or dragon balls? FrenchCrunch posted... LightHawKnight posted... A saiyan can destroy an entire planet with a finger. What can the others do? Also a saiyan can get infinitely stronger by getting beat near to death and recovering. when has anyone destroyed a planet with a finger? i guess maybe that beerus scene counts, but saiyans cant do that Super Saiyans can probably do that. I'm not counting on anyone here reaching that level though. Max level would probably be beginning of DB Goku lol De Evolution posted... Jedi Use the Force to mind control people into doing what I want, make millions gambling and predicting lotteries, and have an easy life. Why would I wanna be a Saiyan? I'd rather be rich and powerful in quiet than be a walking nuclear bomb. Good way to look at it. Jedi is probably the most lowkey out of all of them. Possibly the most evil, too. DarkChozoGhost posted... 3khc posted... Mastering a technique by observing seems to be a Goku thing specifically (or other genius), not a Saiyan power. Nope. Vegeta too, and the half breeds have shown a penchant for it as well Like I said "or other genius". --- ---- ----- <cite>3khc posted [p:877575969] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote>an average jedi > average saiyan and lolavatar make me a jedi</quote> I'm pretty sure that all of us here would be lower than the average. Regardless of what option we choose. How can we find the resources to learn the techniques? It would take a lot of self reflection and training to move a rock. <cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>A saiyan can destroy an entire planet with a finger. What can the others do? Also a saiyan can get infinitely stronger by getting beat near to death and recovering.</quote> That's assuming you get to that level which is a Super Saiyan feat. And the problem with going for the zenkai boost is that near-death can easily mean death. You want to risk getting shot in the heart when there are no senzu beans or dragon balls? <cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>A saiyan can destroy an entire planet with a finger. What can the others do? Also a saiyan can get infinitely stronger by getting beat near to death and recovering.</quote> when has anyone destroyed a planet with a finger? i guess maybe that beerus scene counts, but saiyans cant do that</quote> Super Saiyans can probably do that. I'm not counting on anyone here reaching that level though. Max level would probably be beginning of DB Goku lol <cite>De Evolution posted...</cite> <quote>Jedi Use the Force to mind control people into doing what I want, make millions gambling and predicting lotteries, and have an easy life. Why would I wanna be a Saiyan? I'd rather be rich and powerful in quiet than be a walking nuclear bomb.</quote> Good way to look at it. Jedi is probably the most lowkey out of all of them. Possibly the most evil, too. <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>3khc posted...</cite> <quote>Mastering a technique by observing seems to be a Goku thing specifically (or other genius), not a Saiyan power. </quote> Nope. Vegeta too, and the half breeds have shown a penchant for it as well</quote> Like I said "or other genius".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrenchCrunch 04/20/17 3:52:48 PM #77:	DarkChozoGhost posted... FrenchCrunch posted... raditz was the same rank as nappa This is literally untrue im quite sure it was stated. ill do some digging YookaLaylee posted... Again, if you can't move, seeing that you wouldn't be able to move in advance isn't going to help you. What are you going to do? Drain all your blood before the fight starts? Lol what do you mean "if you cant move" jedi are the ones with the power to keep people from moving <cite>FrenchCrunch posted [p:877576023] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote>raditz was the same rank as nappa</quote> This is literally untrue</quote> im quite sure it was stated. ill do some digging <cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>Again, if you can't move, seeing that you wouldn't be able to move in advance isn't going to help you. What are you going to do? Drain all your blood before the fight starts? Lol </quote> what do you mean "if you cant move" jedi are the ones with the power to keep people from moving</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YookaLaylee 04/20/17 3:56:00 PM #78:	FrenchCrunch posted... DarkChozoGhost posted... FrenchCrunch posted... raditz was the same rank as nappa This is literally untrue im quite sure it was stated. ill do some digging YookaLaylee posted... Again, if you can't move, seeing that you wouldn't be able to move in advance isn't going to help you. What are you going to do? Drain all your blood before the fight starts? Lol what do you mean "if you cant move" jedi are the ones with the power to keep people from moving Bloodbending. You have complete control over the other person's body by moving the water in their blood. Raditz was ranked below Nappa. Nappa and vegeta laughed when he died and said that he was the weakling of their group --- https://media.giphy.com/media/26gsuNHaqCPgziZYA/giphy.gif <cite>YookaLaylee posted [p:877576255] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote>raditz was the same rank as nappa</quote> This is literally untrue</quote> im quite sure it was stated. ill do some digging <cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>Again, if you can't move, seeing that you wouldn't be able to move in advance isn't going to help you. What are you going to do? Drain all your blood before the fight starts? Lol </quote> what do you mean "if you cant move" jedi are the ones with the power to keep people from moving</quote> Bloodbending. You have complete control over the other person's body by moving the water in their blood. Raditz was ranked below Nappa. Nappa and vegeta laughed when he died and said that he was the weakling of their group</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim Kusanagi 04/20/17 4:10:20 PM #79:	YookaLaylee posted... Kim Kusanagi posted... YookaLaylee posted... FrenchCrunch posted... YookaLaylee posted... I said for me. And even with those abilities, the avatar would still roflstomp a Jedi. He could just bloodbend the Jedi as soon as the fight started and make him kill himself. Game over. avatar is slower, cant bloodbend, and cant see the future like what can they actually do darth vader choked a man from across the galaxy How so the avatar slower? When they use airbending, they can basically have super speed. In the legend of Korra, they retconned it so that you could bloodbend without waiting for a full moon. You can do it whenever you want if you train for it. Being able to see the future isn't going to help you in a fight if the other persons tops you from moving. Yes because the Jedi can't use the skill to foresee like they have always done. Again, if you can't move, seeing that you wouldn't be able to move in advance isn't going to help you. What are you going to do? Drain all your blood before the fight starts? Lol Jedi are Waaaaaay faster than an avatar and have Force Foresight Bloodbending isn't gonna work --- Live to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting. Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time! <cite>Kim Kusanagi posted [p:877577237] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kim Kusanagi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>I said for me. And even with those abilities, the avatar would still roflstomp a Jedi. He could just bloodbend the Jedi as soon as the fight started and make him kill himself. Game over.</quote> avatar is slower, cant bloodbend, and cant see the future like what can they actually do darth vader choked a man from across the galaxy</quote> How so the avatar slower? When they use airbending, they can basically have super speed. In the legend of Korra, they retconned it so that you could bloodbend without waiting for a full moon. You can do it whenever you want if you train for it. Being able to see the future isn't going to help you in a fight if the other persons tops you from moving.</quote> Yes because the Jedi can't use the skill to foresee like they have always done.</quote> Again, if you can't move, seeing that you wouldn't be able to move in advance isn't going to help you. What are you going to do? Drain all your blood before the fight starts? Lol</quote> Jedi are Waaaaaay faster than an avatar and have Force Foresight Bloodbending isn't gonna work</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrenchCrunch 04/20/17 4:15:31 PM #80:	YookaLaylee posted... Bloodbending. You have complete control over the other person's body by moving the water in their blood. none of the avatars could bloodbend YookaLaylee posted... Raditz was ranked below Nappa. Nappa and vegeta laughed when he died and said that he was the weakling of their group he was weaker but im sure he was an elite. ill look into it after work <cite>FrenchCrunch posted [p:877577595] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>Bloodbending. You have complete control over the other person's body by moving the water in their blood.</quote> none of the avatars could bloodbend <cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>Raditz was ranked below Nappa. Nappa and vegeta laughed when he died and said that he was the weakling of their group </quote> he was weaker but im sure he was an elite. ill look into it after work</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YookaLaylee 04/20/17 4:18:30 PM #81:	FrenchCrunch posted... YookaLaylee posted... Bloodbending. You have complete control over the other person's body by moving the water in their blood. none of the avatars could bloodbend YookaLaylee posted... Raditz was ranked below Nappa. Nappa and vegeta laughed when he died and said that he was the weakling of their group he was weaker but im sure he was an elite. ill look into it after work None of them tried to learn it. But if normal benders can do it then so can the avatar --- https://media.giphy.com/media/26gsuNHaqCPgziZYA/giphy.gif <cite>YookaLaylee posted [p:877577779] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>Bloodbending. You have complete control over the other person's body by moving the water in their blood.</quote> none of the avatars could bloodbend <cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>Raditz was ranked below Nappa. Nappa and vegeta laughed when he died and said that he was the weakling of their group </quote> he was weaker but im sure he was an elite. ill look into it after work</quote>None of them tried to learn it. But if normal benders can do it then so can the avatar</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3khc 04/20/17 4:18:52 PM #82:	DarkChozoGhost posted... Dash_Harber posted... blood bending It would take you literally decades before you could do that though. Even the Avatar state doesn't have blood bending, because none of the previous learned it. And if you ever do it on a real person, you can bet they are going to want revenge. That looks like it hurts and is such a huge invasion. LightHawKnight posted... FrenchCrunch posted... LightHawKnight posted... A saiyan can destroy an entire planet with a finger. What can the others do? Also a saiyan can get infinitely stronger by getting beat near to death and recovering. when has anyone destroyed a planet with a finger? i guess maybe that beerus scene counts, but saiyans cant do that Frieza can blow up an entire planet with little to no effort. Guess how much stronger the main cast is now since then? We're talking about CEmen Saiyans tho. How many of us actually work out? Distant_Rainbow posted... Saiyan is a joke answer. I'm not looking to blow stuff up all the time or beat up and kill people like a maniac, so this is completely pointless and useless. I'd even consider staying a plain human than being a Saiyan. I'd probably say Jedi. Utility-wise I think Avatar's mastery of the elements might have more uses in life situations, but I'm more interested in Jedi's ability to detect, read and tweak others' minds. Yeah, Saiyan is probably the least useful except for the whole stay-in-prime-for-longer, however, even that will wear out eventually where as Jedi mind tricks and bending can still be practiced. But then again, old Saiyans are much stronger than humans of the same age so there's that. RedWhiteBlue posted... Thought this was a "who would win" topic and I still picked the correct choice. Saiyan! If it were a battle royale, I kinda look at it like Paper-Scissor-Rock. Jedi can probably mind fuck Saiyans. Saiyans can probably out box benders. Avatar would overwhelm Jedi. --- ---- ----- <cite>3khc posted [p:877577808] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>blood bending</quote> It would take you literally decades before you could do that though. Even the Avatar state doesn't have blood bending, because none of the previous learned it.</quote> And if you ever do it on a real person, you can bet they are going to want revenge. That looks like it hurts and is such a huge invasion. <cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>A saiyan can destroy an entire planet with a finger. What can the others do? Also a saiyan can get infinitely stronger by getting beat near to death and recovering.</quote> when has anyone destroyed a planet with a finger? i guess maybe that beerus scene counts, but saiyans cant do that</quote> Frieza can blow up an entire planet with little to no effort. Guess how much stronger the main cast is now since then?</quote> We're talking about CEmen Saiyans tho. How many of us actually work out? <cite>Distant_Rainbow posted...</cite> <quote>Saiyan is a joke answer. I'm not looking to blow stuff up all the time or beat up and kill people like a maniac, so this is completely pointless and useless. I'd even consider staying a plain human than being a Saiyan. I'd probably say Jedi. Utility-wise I think Avatar's mastery of the elements might have more uses in life situations, but I'm more interested in Jedi's ability to detect, read and tweak others' minds.</quote> Yeah, Saiyan is probably the least useful except for the whole stay-in-prime-for-longer, however, even that will wear out eventually where as Jedi mind tricks and bending can still be practiced. But then again, old Saiyans are much stronger than humans of the same age so there's that. <cite>RedWhiteBlue posted...</cite> <quote>Thought this was a "who would win" topic and I still picked the correct choice. Saiyan!</quote> If it were a battle royale, I kinda look at it like Paper-Scissor-Rock. Jedi can probably mind fuck Saiyans. Saiyans can probably out box benders. Avatar would overwhelm Jedi.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrenchCrunch 04/20/17 4:27:22 PM #83:	how the fuck would avatar overwhelm jedi, for real <cite>FrenchCrunch posted [p:877578372] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote>how the fuck would avatar overwhelm jedi, for real</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3khc 04/20/17 4:27:37 PM #84:	FrenchCrunch posted... LightHawKnight posted... FrenchCrunch posted... LightHawKnight posted... A saiyan can destroy an entire planet with a finger. What can the others do? Also a saiyan can get infinitely stronger by getting beat near to death and recovering. when has anyone destroyed a planet with a finger? i guess maybe that beerus scene counts, but saiyans cant do that Frieza can blow up an entire planet with little to no effort. Guess how much stronger the main cast is now since then? he cant do it with a finger DBZ SPOILERS 0:35 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcGtUEHzk9s masterpug53 posted... Zeus posted... Into their hundreds meaning what? If we're talking Aang's lifespan, he was frozen in a block of ice. If we're talking 110, 115, 120, humans can live that long normally. If by into their hundreds, you mean hundreds of years, Jedi can do that as well. This might just be the creators not fine-tuning their timelines, but if you go by what's presented to you in the show's lore, Avatar Roku lived possibly into his hundreds, while Avatar Kyoshi might have even hit age 200 or more. And if we're writing off longevity as some mundane thing, ~~let's not forget that Roku didn't die of old age, and was still kicking some pretty serious ass right up until the point the volcano claimed him.~~ Since we're being nitpicky, can human Jedi live past a normal human's life expectancy? Yoda is of course 900 years old and some of the other alien races probably have extra longevity, so I'm specifically curious about human Jedi in this case. I always thought human Jedi have normal human lifespans. The people in the Four Nations, however, are all just healthy af due to the lifestyle requiring 99% of the population to practice martial arts.. Kyoshi is an anomaly though. Blue_Dream87 posted... Can a single Jedi learn all the tricks an Avatar can? Like can they force choke a robber, heal a dame near death, then fly off into the sunset? Well I mean Saiyans can choke robbers, too, but doesn't mean they're the same lol --- ---- ----- <cite>3khc posted [p:877578387] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>A saiyan can destroy an entire planet with a finger. What can the others do? Also a saiyan can get infinitely stronger by getting beat near to death and recovering.</quote> when has anyone destroyed a planet with a finger? i guess maybe that beerus scene counts, but saiyans cant do that</quote> Frieza can blow up an entire planet with little to no effort. Guess how much stronger the main cast is now since then?</quote> he cant do it with a finger</quote> DBZ SPOILERS 0:35 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcGtUEHzk9s <cite>masterpug53 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Into their hundreds meaning what? If we're talking Aang's lifespan, he was frozen in a block of ice. If we're talking 110, 115, 120, humans can live that long normally. If by into their hundreds, you mean hundreds of years, Jedi can do that as well. </quote> This might just be the creators not fine-tuning their timelines, but if you go by what's presented to you in the show's lore, Avatar Roku lived possibly into his hundreds, while Avatar Kyoshi might have even hit age 200 or more. And if we're writing off longevity as some mundane thing, let's not forget that Roku didn't die of old age, and was still kicking some pretty serious ass right up until the point the volcano claimed him. Since we're being nitpicky, can human Jedi live past a normal human's life expectancy? Yoda is of course 900 years old and some of the other alien races probably have extra longevity, so I'm specifically curious about human Jedi in this case.</quote> I always thought human Jedi have normal human lifespans. The people in the Four Nations, however, are all just healthy af due to the lifestyle requiring 99% of the population to practice martial arts.. Kyoshi is an anomaly though. <cite>Blue_Dream87 posted...</cite> <quote>Can a single Jedi learn all the tricks an Avatar can? Like can they force choke a robber, heal a dame near death, then fly off into the sunset?</quote> Well I mean Saiyans can choke robbers, too, but doesn't mean they're the same lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrenchCrunch 04/20/17 4:33:39 PM #85:	3khc posted... DBZ SPOILERS 0:35 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcGtUEHzk9s that looks like a giant ki blast to me <cite>FrenchCrunch posted [p:877578779] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>3khc posted...</cite> <quote>DBZ SPOILERS 0:35 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcGtUEHzk9s</quote> that looks like a giant ki blast to me</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 04/20/17 4:36:29 PM #86:	YookaLaylee posted... None of them tried to learn it. But if normal benders can do it then so can the avatar Literally 4 people have ever learned it, it's an absurdly advanced technique and you would likely not master it within your lifetime unless you completely neglected bending the other elements, eventually learning it in an old age. --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:877578947] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>None of them tried to learn it. But if normal benders can do it then so can the avatar</quote> Literally 4 people have ever learned it, it's an absurdly advanced technique and you would likely not master it within your lifetime unless you completely neglected bending the other elements, eventually learning it in an old age.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
somethingtofear 04/20/17 4:40:18 PM #87:	Nope, none of those. I want to be the Prototype. --- I AM society, you fool! PSN: I_am_Spaghetti <cite>somethingtofear posted [p:877579205] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote>Nope, none of those. I want to be the Prototype.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YookaLaylee 04/20/17 4:44:41 PM #88:	DarkChozoGhost posted... YookaLaylee posted... None of them tried to learn it. But if normal benders can do it then so can the avatar Literally 4 people have ever learned it, it's an absurdly advanced technique and you would likely not master it within your lifetime unless you completely neglected bending the other elements, eventually learning it in an old age. Katara learned it in like 2 days. --- https://media.giphy.com/media/26gsuNHaqCPgziZYA/giphy.gif <cite>YookaLaylee posted [p:877579481] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>None of them tried to learn it. But if normal benders can do it then so can the avatar</quote> Literally 4 people have ever learned it, it's an absurdly advanced technique and you would likely not master it within your lifetime unless you completely neglected bending the other elements, eventually learning it in an old age.</quote> Katara learned it in like 2 days.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3khc 04/20/17 5:39:16 PM #89:	FrenchCrunch posted... RedWhiteBlue posted... Thought this was a "who would win" topic and I still picked the correct choice. Saiyan! how would the average saiyan beat a jedi Oozaru RedWhiteBlue posted... FrenchCrunch posted... RedWhiteBlue posted... Thought this was a "who would win" topic and I still picked the correct choice. Saiyan! how would the average saiyan beat a jedi You do realize that ki can protect them from virtually anything, right? A jedi would need to bypass the ki energy which, for a basic saiyan, is absurdly powerful. Plus, a saiyan can just warp out of the place if both parties are aware of each other. Basic Saiyans do not know ki control. They were getting wrekt by the Truffles until they finally put aside their pride and joined Oozaru hands to fight back. RedWhiteBlue posted... Blue_Dream87 posted... Can a single Jedi learn all the tricks an Avatar can? Like can they force choke a robber, heal a dame near death, then fly off into the sunset? Only if Force Unleashed becomes cannon again. If we went with Forced Unleashed rules then the Jedi would wipe the floor with Fully Realized Avatar and the Mighty Oozaru at the same time. --- ---- ----- <cite>3khc posted [p:877582655] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RedWhiteBlue posted...</cite> <quote>Thought this was a "who would win" topic and I still picked the correct choice. Saiyan!</quote> how would the average saiyan beat a jedi</quote> Oozaru <cite>RedWhiteBlue posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RedWhiteBlue posted...</cite> <quote>Thought this was a "who would win" topic and I still picked the correct choice. Saiyan!</quote> how would the average saiyan beat a jedi</quote> You do realize that ki can protect them from virtually anything, right? A jedi would need to bypass the ki energy which, for a basic saiyan, is absurdly powerful. Plus, a saiyan can just warp out of the place if both parties are aware of each other.</quote> Basic Saiyans do not know ki control. They were getting wrekt by the Truffles until they finally put aside their pride and joined Oozaru hands to fight back. <cite>RedWhiteBlue posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Blue_Dream87 posted...</cite> <quote>Can a single Jedi learn all the tricks an Avatar can? Like can they force choke a robber, heal a dame near death, then fly off into the sunset?</quote> Only if Force Unleashed becomes cannon again.</quote> If we went with Forced Unleashed rules then the Jedi would wipe the floor with Fully Realized Avatar and the Mighty Oozaru at the same time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrenchCrunch 04/20/17 5:40:41 PM #90:	3khc posted... Oozaru and? <cite>FrenchCrunch posted [p:877582721] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>3khc posted...</cite> <quote>Oozaru </quote> and?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3khc 04/20/17 5:43:43 PM #91:	DarkChozoGhost posted... FrenchCrunch posted... RedWhiteBlue posted... Thought this was a "who would win" topic and I still picked the correct choice. Saiyan! how would the average saiyan beat a jedi Did you see Rogue One? the scale of the blasts used by the Death Star in that movie are child's play for an average saiyan, and no average jedi would stand a chance against that. If you want to talk about elites, saiyans can blow up whole planets sooo But we're talking about CElite Saiyans lol. FrenchCrunch posted... DarkChozoGhost posted... FrenchCrunch posted... RedWhiteBlue posted... Thought this was a "who would win" topic and I still picked the correct choice. Saiyan! how would the average saiyan beat a jedi Did you see Rogue One? the scale of the blasts used by the Death Star in that movie are child's play for an average saiyan, and no average jedi would stand a chance against that. If you want to talk about elites, saiyans can blow up whole planets sooo Actually no, the average saiyan was about gokus strength at the end of db If you were turned into a saipan right now you'd just get a little physically stronger Nah, Raditz was above average. And highly trained. Remember he was still part of Frieza's Army. I would say an average Saiyan would be Goku at the start of DB. --- ---- ----- <cite>3khc posted [p:877582904] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RedWhiteBlue posted...</cite> <quote>Thought this was a "who would win" topic and I still picked the correct choice. Saiyan!</quote> how would the average saiyan beat a jedi</quote> Did you see Rogue One? the scale of the blasts used by the Death Star in that movie are child's play for an average saiyan, and no average jedi would stand a chance against that. If you want to talk about elites, saiyans can blow up whole planets sooo</quote> But we're talking about CElite Saiyans lol. <cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RedWhiteBlue posted...</cite> <quote>Thought this was a "who would win" topic and I still picked the correct choice. Saiyan!</quote> how would the average saiyan beat a jedi</quote> Did you see Rogue One? the scale of the blasts used by the Death Star in that movie are child's play for an average saiyan, and no average jedi would stand a chance against that. If you want to talk about elites, saiyans can blow up whole planets sooo</quote> Actually no, the average saiyan was about gokus strength at the end of db If you were turned into a saipan right now you'd just get a little physically stronger</quote> Nah, Raditz was above average. And highly trained. Remember he was still part of Frieza's Army. I would say an average Saiyan would be Goku at the start of DB.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 04/20/17 5:50:09 PM #92:	l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted... But if you're a Jedi, you already know that stuff. If you don't, you're not a Jedi at all. To become a Saiyan is not to learn how to fly, and to be the Avatar is not to learn how to bend, but to be a Jedi is to learn how to use the Force. It's like being a doctor. You're not a doctor if you don't know what you're doing. Becoming a doctor entails having all the knowledge of one. Exactly, if you were JUST a saiyan or JUST the avatar that would be akin to being force sensitive. If you are a legitimate Jedi you start more advanced in your craft. --- Doughnuts, is there anything they can't do? PSN-Paters1 XBL-Cyanide Sucker LoL-SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:877583308] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...</cite> <quote>But if you're a Jedi, you already know that stuff. If you don't, you're not a Jedi at all. To become a Saiyan is not to learn how to fly, and to be the Avatar is not to learn how to bend, but to be a Jedi is to learn how to use the Force. It's like being a doctor. You're not a doctor if you don't know what you're doing. Becoming a doctor entails having all the knowledge of one.</quote> Exactly, if you were JUST a saiyan or JUST the avatar that would be akin to being force sensitive. If you are a legitimate Jedi you start more advanced in your craft.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3khc 04/20/17 5:54:35 PM #93:	DarkChozoGhost posted... Raditz is a low class saiyan. He was strong for a lower class saiyan, but the average power level is still well above him. Probably in the 2500 range. Sure, if I turned into a saiyan right now, I wouldn't be that strong, but that's not what you were addressing in that post. I think during Vegeta's era he listed only two categories of Saiyan: Elite and Low-class. Low-class were the majority so that makes them the average Saiyan. gatorsPENSbucs posted... Dont know what a saiyan is or what an avatar does so I went with Jedi. Saiyan's are an extraterrestrial species who look very much like humans except for their monkey tails. Their tails are one of their greatest strengths as well as their weakness. Grabbing a tail would be like kicking a dude in their balls. They enjoy fighting and are naturally more physically capable than humans. The Avatar is the bridge between the human and the spirit world. In addition to bending the various forms of earth fire air and water, they can also manipulate energy. Kim Kusanagi posted... DarkChozoGhost posted... FrenchCrunch posted... RedWhiteBlue posted... Thought this was a "who would win" topic and I still picked the correct choice. Saiyan! how would the average saiyan beat a jedi Did you see Rogue One? the scale of the blasts used by the Death Star in that movie are child's play for an average saiyan, and no average jedi would stand a chance against that. If you want to talk about elites, saiyans can blow up whole planets sooo Let's see a Saiyan try to survive a force choke If a Saiyan can close the gap before suffocation then the Jedi will have to find a different way to deal. YookaLaylee posted... Saiyan>>> avatar>>>>>>>>>> Jedi I'm going to assume you're speaking in terms of combat capability like everyone else seems to be doing. But it's not just avout who can muscle who. Everyone has a weakness that the others can exploit. --- ---- ----- <cite>3khc posted [p:877583581] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>Raditz is a low class saiyan. He was strong for a lower class saiyan, but the average power level is still well above him. Probably in the 2500 range. Sure, if I turned into a saiyan right now, I wouldn't be that strong, but that's not what you were addressing in that post.</quote> I think during Vegeta's era he listed only two categories of Saiyan: Elite and Low-class. Low-class were the majority so that makes them the average Saiyan. <cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted...</cite> <quote>Dont know what a saiyan is or what an avatar does so I went with Jedi.</quote> Saiyan's are an extraterrestrial species who look very much like humans except for their monkey tails. Their tails are one of their greatest strengths as well as their weakness. Grabbing a tail would be like kicking a dude in their balls. They enjoy fighting and are naturally more physically capable than humans. The Avatar is the bridge between the human and the spirit world. In addition to bending the various forms of earth fire air and water, they can also manipulate energy. <cite>Kim Kusanagi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RedWhiteBlue posted...</cite> <quote>Thought this was a "who would win" topic and I still picked the correct choice. Saiyan!</quote> how would the average saiyan beat a jedi</quote> Did you see Rogue One? the scale of the blasts used by the Death Star in that movie are child's play for an average saiyan, and no average jedi would stand a chance against that. If you want to talk about elites, saiyans can blow up whole planets sooo</quote> Let's see a Saiyan try to survive a force choke</quote> If a Saiyan can close the gap before suffocation then the Jedi will have to find a different way to deal. <cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>Saiyan>>> avatar>>>>>>>>>> Jedi</quote> I'm going to assume you're speaking in terms of combat capability like everyone else seems to be doing. But it's not just avout who can muscle who. Everyone has a weakness that the others can exploit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim Kusanagi 04/20/17 6:01:52 PM #94:	3khc posted... If we went with Forced Unleashed rules No reason not to. 3khc posted... If a Saiyan can close the gap before suffocation then the Jedi will have to find a different way to deal. A jedi is waaaaaay faster than an average Saiyan. --- Live to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting. Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time! <cite>Kim Kusanagi posted [p:877583997] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>3khc posted...</cite> <quote>If we went with Forced Unleashed rules</quote> No reason not to. <cite>3khc posted...</cite> <quote>If a Saiyan can close the gap before suffocation then the Jedi will have to find a different way to deal.</quote> A jedi is waaaaaay faster than an average Saiyan.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3khc 04/20/17 6:06:24 PM #95:	DarkChozoGhost posted... Kim Kusanagi posted... Let's see a Saiyan try to survive a force choke It would go the same as Chiaotzu's telekinesis attack on Nappa. The saiyan would completely ignore it through brute force. Apply a little bit of ki to their neck and it literally does nothing to them. Again, ki control is not inherently a Saiyan ability. The Saiyan would have to be very skilled to pull that off. Besides, I think Chiaotzu's telekinesis is also ki based. If he were stronger, he could probably hold down Goku. FrenchCrunch posted... DarkChozoGhost posted... Raditz is a low class saiyan. He was strong for a lower class saiyan, but the average power level is still well above him. Probably in the 2500 range. Sure, if I turned into a saiyan right now, I wouldn't be that strong, but that's not what you were addressing in that post. the average saiyans were weaker than raditz, he was an elite Idk about Raditz being an Elite-class Saiyan, but he's definitely above average. FrenchCrunch posted... DarkChozoGhost posted... Kim Kusanagi posted... Let's see a Saiyan try to survive a force choke It would go the same as Chiaotzu's telekinesis attack on Nappa. The saiyan would completely ignore it through brute force. Apply a little bit of ki to their neck and it literally does nothing to them. kaioshin was like a million times weaker than gohan and that didnt stop him from restraining him Not sure if that was Supreme Kai flexing his God powers tho. It is probably different than the Force. --- ---- ----- <cite>3khc posted [p:877584277] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kim Kusanagi posted...</cite> <quote>Let's see a Saiyan try to survive a force choke</quote> It would go the same as Chiaotzu's telekinesis attack on Nappa. The saiyan would completely ignore it through brute force. Apply a little bit of ki to their neck and it literally does nothing to them.</quote> Again, ki control is not inherently a Saiyan ability. The Saiyan would have to be very skilled to pull that off. Besides, I think Chiaotzu's telekinesis is also ki based. If he were stronger, he could probably hold down Goku. <cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>Raditz is a low class saiyan. He was strong for a lower class saiyan, but the average power level is still well above him. Probably in the 2500 range. Sure, if I turned into a saiyan right now, I wouldn't be that strong, but that's not what you were addressing in that post.</quote> the average saiyans were weaker than raditz, he was an elite</quote> Idk about Raditz being an Elite-class Saiyan, but he's definitely above average. <cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kim Kusanagi posted...</cite> <quote> Let's see a Saiyan try to survive a force choke</quote> It would go the same as Chiaotzu's telekinesis attack on Nappa. The saiyan would completely ignore it through brute force. Apply a little bit of ki to their neck and it literally does nothing to them.</quote> kaioshin was like a million times weaker than gohan and that didnt stop him from restraining him</quote> Not sure if that was Supreme Kai flexing his God powers tho. It is probably different than the Force.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3khc 04/20/17 6:13:31 PM #96:	Kim Kusanagi posted... DarkChozoGhost posted... It would go the same as Chiaotzu's telekinesis attack on Nappa. The saiyan would completely ignore it through brute force. You don't know that. Chaoz's telekinesis was his own power. A Sith's Force Choke is the Sith literally manipulating the living field that binds everything together in the universe to restrict airflow. Hardly the same. See if it was Goku they'd probably give him plot armor aka kaioken respiratory muscles. Kim Kusanagi posted... Zeus posted... Saiyans have the same lifespan as humans, but they stay in peak condition for far longer. Actually DBS retconned that. As of DBS Saiyans are confirmed to have longer lifespans. 80 yo is like 25 human yo for them. When did they say that? I thought once they hit a certain age then they begin to age at a rapid rate, catching up to humans. FrenchCrunch posted... YookaLaylee posted... Saiyan>>> avatar>>>>>>>>>> Jedi the hell is an avatar gonna do to a jedi RotS SPOILERS 0:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ldK51kF29Q BipBapBam posted... Saiyan. Even if you were a weakling low rank one like Raditz you could demolish the entire planet's armies if you felt like it. But most importantly you can fly and shit. 2nd place probably Jedi. Avatar doesn't look nearly as fun/useful outside air bending. A CEman Saiyan would probably reach Beginning of DB Goku level if trained hard enough. I doubt anyone will receive a zenkai or have gravity rooms to train in. --- ---- ----- <cite>3khc posted [p:877584677] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kim Kusanagi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>It would go the same as Chiaotzu's telekinesis attack on Nappa. The saiyan would completely ignore it through brute force.</quote> You don't know that. Chaoz's telekinesis was his own power. A Sith's Force Choke is the Sith literally manipulating the living field that binds everything together in the universe to restrict airflow. Hardly the same.</quote> See if it was Goku they'd probably give him plot armor aka kaioken respiratory muscles. <cite>Kim Kusanagi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote> Saiyans have the same lifespan as humans, but they stay in peak condition for far longer.</quote> Actually DBS retconned that. As of DBS Saiyans are confirmed to have longer lifespans. 80 yo is like 25 human yo for them.</quote> When did they say that? I thought once they hit a certain age then they begin to age at a rapid rate, catching up to humans. <cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>Saiyan>>> avatar>>>>>>>>>> Jedi</quote> the hell is an avatar gonna do to a jedi</quote> RotS SPOILERS 0:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ldK51kF29Q <cite>BipBapBam posted...</cite> <quote>Saiyan. Even if you were a weakling low rank one like Raditz you could demolish the entire planet's armies if you felt like it. But most importantly you can fly and shit. 2nd place probably Jedi. Avatar doesn't look nearly as fun/useful outside air bending.</quote> A CEman Saiyan would probably reach Beginning of DB Goku level if trained hard enough. I doubt anyone will receive a zenkai or have gravity rooms to train in.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim Kusanagi 04/20/17 6:21:28 PM #97:	3khc posted... When did they say that? I thought once they hit a certain age then they begin to age at a rapid rate, catching up to humans. I don't remember the exact episode, but it's when they're training on Beerus's planet prior to the tournament between universes 6 and 7. I stopped watching a while back. --- Live to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting. Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time! <cite>Kim Kusanagi posted [p:877585154] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>3khc posted...</cite> <quote>When did they say that? I thought once they hit a certain age then they begin to age at a rapid rate, catching up to humans.</quote> I don't remember the exact episode, but it's when they're training on Beerus's planet prior to the tournament between universes 6 and 7. I stopped watching a while back.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 04/20/17 7:03:14 PM #98:	3khc posted... A lot of those are top secret highly advanced techniques. Idk if anyone here would be able to reach that level. And the exact same thing can be said about most of the force powers listed, like force ghosts, force lightning, or immortality. On top of that, your powers are limited by what side you choose. Again, not saying the Jedi are weak or inferior, but it's not as clear-cut as Jedi by being better than the Avatar. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:877587694] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote><cite>3khc posted...</cite> <quote> A lot of those are top secret highly advanced techniques. Idk if anyone here would be able to reach that level.</quote> And the exact same thing can be said about most of the force powers listed, like force ghosts, force lightning, or immortality. On top of that, your powers are limited by what side you choose. Again, not saying the Jedi are weak or inferior, but it's not as clear-cut as Jedi by being better than the Avatar.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 04/20/17 9:18:10 PM #99:	Why do you guys keep talking about Force Choke? That'd be so far out of your league if you chose Jedi. That's a Sith-aligned technique, Jedi using it is frowned upon within their ranks, so you're not going to know how to do it and no one going to teach you how to do it. I also think you guys are also over-rating what an "average" jedi could do because we're only exposed to high-tier ones in media. Plenty of average and above average Jedi ~~died~~ in episode 3, pretty easily. --- Knowledge is power, power corrupts. Study hard and become evil. <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:877595517] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote>Why do you guys keep talking about Force Choke? That'd be so far out of your league if you chose Jedi. That's a Sith-aligned technique, Jedi using it is frowned upon within their ranks, so you're not going to know how to do it and no one going to teach you how to do it. I also think you guys are also over-rating what an "average" jedi could do because we're only exposed to high-tier ones in media. Plenty of average and above average Jedi died in episode 3, pretty easily.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kkTheKiller42 04/20/17 9:22:01 PM #100:	Masters were dead in episode 3 too but that's cuz no single jedi can take on an army all shooting at them at once. --- http://tinyurl.com/3zfs5vb http://tinyurl.com/br9bdeu http://i.imgur.com/6re4mWM.jpg http://i.imgur.com/o0b0x9O.jpg <cite>kkTheKiller42 posted [p:877595737] in Jedi vs Sa... [t:75258295]...</cite> <quote>Masters were dead in episode 3 too but that's cuz no single jedi can take on an army all shooting at them at once.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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