Current Events > Where's my Universal Basic Income?

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I dropped out of high school in grade 10 to sit around and play video games full time.

I'm a human being with RIGHTS. I deserve to be respected!

Where's my Universal Basic Income? Society OWES it to me for being alive!!
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give it like 20 - 30 years and this will be the next hot button issue
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Nah youre right, people without a job should just die, and as automation increases and takes more jobs those people should die too
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"all the jobs I'm qualified for are taken by automation and I can't afford college or trade schools to get a useful degree"

"lol fuck u"

"but I need income"

"lol fuck u"

give it a couple of decades and this will become standard Republican rhetoric
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Zero_Destroyer posted...

"all the jobs I'm qualified for are taken by automation and I can't afford college or trade schools to get a useful degree"

"lol fuck u"

"but I need income"

"lol fuck u"

give it a couple of decades and this will become standard Republican rhetoric

Let's not be ridiculous.

If you aren't qualified for jobs then society OWES you a Universal Basic Income! It's your RIGHT as a living breathing human being!!!
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yes, i think people need to work.

i don't think we need to treat them like shit tho

i really don't like you that much, based on the two topics i've seen you post.
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REMercsChamp posted...

Zero_Destroyer posted...

"all the jobs I'm qualified for are taken by automation and I can't afford college or trade schools to get a useful degree"

"lol fuck u"

"but I need income"

"lol fuck u"

give it a couple of decades and this will become standard Republican rhetoric

Let's not be ridiculous.

If you aren't qualified for jobs then society OWES you a Universal Basic Income! It's your RIGHT as a living breathing human being!!!

you are a politician's wet dream, a guy who is cool with paying very high taxes and expecting absolutely nothing in return lol
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REMercsChamp posted...

If you aren't qualified for jobs then society OWES you a Universal Basic Income! It's your RIGHT as a living breathing human being!!!

Can you genuinely not see the issue with entire fields being slowly chipped away at by outsourcing and robotics and the economic strains it will cause? Have you seen what happens to regions in the United States where industry wanes? They get poor. The money dries up. The ability to acquire easy income to pay for a degree that gets you a high-paying job? That stops being an option.

The concept of a UBI is to prevent this happening on a mass scale, for example, when the most common U.S. job (transportation) is gradually eaten up by self-driving cars in 20-30 years.
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tc the kind of guy to talk shit about universal healthcare and then get sick and be too poor to pay for treatment
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There is literally no facet of life that liberals don't want the government to take care of them. This is literally what they call progress.
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Zero_Destroyer posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

If you aren't qualified for jobs then society OWES you a Universal Basic Income! It's your RIGHT as a living breathing human being!!!

Can you genuinely not see the issue with entire fields being slowly chipped away at by outsourcing and robotics and the economic strains it will cause? Have you seen what happens to regions in the United States where industry wanes? They get poor. The money dries up. The ability to acquire easy income to pay for a degree that gets you a high-paying job? That stops being an option.

The concept of a UBI is to prevent this happening on a mass scale, for example, when the most common U.S. job (transportation) is gradually eaten up by self-driving cars in 20-30 years.

I think that's just how life goes. If Truck Driving isn't an occupation anymore then you need to find something else to do.
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The great irony here is that REM probably supported Trump. A huge reason Trump got elected was because the Midwest is suffering from this very issue. They are suffering from outsourcing and automation. They are waning economically because their job fields tend to be low-skill enough that machines can adequately replace them.

It's just as much of a "fuck you" to the struggling blue collar worker as it is the the demographic you're trying to insult.
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What we need is universal basic job security. Like a perpetual "new deal" where people can be shipped around the country to do infrastructure work and menial tasks for income. It's not the most glorious work, and you have to accept being relocated, but if the alternative is "starve to death" I don't think that's so bad and it's better than money for nothing in return.
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s0nicfan posted...

What we need is universal basic job security. Like a perpetual "new deal" where people can be shipped around the country to do infrastructure work and menial tasks for income. It's not the most glorious work, and you have to accept being relocated, but if the alternative is "starve to death" I don't think that's so bad and it's better than money for nothing in return.

That's a pretty good idea - or we can get them into the military
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REMercsChamp posted...

Zero_Destroyer posted...

"all the jobs I'm qualified for are taken by automation and I can't afford college or trade schools to get a useful degree"

"lol fuck u"

"but I need income"

"lol fuck u"

give it a couple of decades and this will become standard Republican rhetoric

Let's not be ridiculous.

If you aren't qualified for jobs then society OWES you a Universal Basic Income! It's your RIGHT as a living breathing human being!!!

If someone literally wasn't qualified for a job, what's the alternative? Killing them? What exactly is wrong with a UBI? It would still be a wage that is no way enticing to people with actual jobs. And you kind of need money if you want to learn the trade or get the diploma to go after those good jobs, so that people don't do everything they can to prove how worthless you are to society.

It will be entirely necessary if we get to the type of automation Proudclad talks about where even highly skilled labor can be done by robots.
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REMercsChamp posted...

Zero_Destroyer posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

If you aren't qualified for jobs then society OWES you a Universal Basic Income! It's your RIGHT as a living breathing human being!!!

Can you genuinely not see the issue with entire fields being slowly chipped away at by outsourcing and robotics and the economic strains it will cause? Have you seen what happens to regions in the United States where industry wanes? They get poor. The money dries up. The ability to acquire easy income to pay for a degree that gets you a high-paying job? That stops being an option.

The concept of a UBI is to prevent this happening on a mass scale, for example, when the most common U.S. job (transportation) is gradually eaten up by self-driving cars in 20-30 years.

I think that's just how life goes. If Truck Driving isn't an occupation anymore then you need to find something else to do.

what else can you do with a CDL but drive?

many jobs, esp low skilled ones, are going away and they're not being replaced with anything
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So your other topic failed and you decided to remake it as this pos?

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75202665

*Note, I'm pro-UBI but I also think we should take extreme measures for population control.
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What if everyone just had money instead
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Hopefully when we get univeral basic income we get an exemption for TC and write it into law that you have to point and laugh at him when you pass him in the street

REMercsChamp posted...

I think that's just how life goes.

No, a zero sum game of jobs where the number is gradually decreasing is not how "life goes". Never in human history. The difference between today and many centuries ago is that new technological advancements do not supply low-skill jobs. They supply new fields- that require expensive education where you aren't getting paid, and years of study- something a person trying to feed themselves likely can't afford.

This is literally standing in a room set ablaze and saying "What? There's nothing wrong." The problem is evident by its very own nature. Less jobs is a bad thing because it means less opportunity for people to make money. Money is necessary to live. Because it provides food, clothing, and shelter.

For the vast majority of human history, low-skilled jobs or basic trades were abundant and generally supplied you with the resources necessary to live. This is increasingly starting to no longer be the case. How people like you don't see this as a problem boggles the mind. For you, a society built upon student debt is apparently ideal, for some fucking reason, and since you lack any analytical power you just jump on the bandwagon and shit on UBI.

But you go even farther than that by implying that a huge issue that will grip America isn't actually an issue. What a fucking champion, lmao. That's what's so terrible. You don't shit on UBI and provide an alternative, you just say "nah it's not an issue."
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REMercsChamp posted...

Zero_Destroyer posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

If you aren't qualified for jobs then society OWES you a Universal Basic Income! It's your RIGHT as a living breathing human being!!!

Can you genuinely not see the issue with entire fields being slowly chipped away at by outsourcing and robotics and the economic strains it will cause? Have you seen what happens to regions in the United States where industry wanes? They get poor. The money dries up. The ability to acquire easy income to pay for a degree that gets you a high-paying job? That stops being an option.

The concept of a UBI is to prevent this happening on a mass scale, for example, when the most common U.S. job (transportation) is gradually eaten up by self-driving cars in 20-30 years.

I think that's just how life goes. If Truck Driving isn't an occupation anymore then you need to find something else to do.

And when people outnumber the amount of jobs that machines can't do better than them, then what? I feel like we are worrying about the wrong thing. We will need to figure out how to live in a world with less jobs, not figure out how to shoehorn redundant, inefficient jobs into the world because damn it, humans need to be working!

This isn't a machine making our factory jobs easier. This is machines figuring out how to run the factory, the road, the restaurant, the store, the hospital, yadda, yadda, yadda.
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Basically: Experiment with ideas like UBI in poverty-stricken regions in the U.S. where industry/jobs are unlikely to return. Encourage the Nordic countries to experiment. See if UBI functions. Try a ton of different shit, but yeah, make UBI one of the ideas you test.
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https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75205211/876660040

TC got triggered real good. When you can't use reason and logic, your only line of attack tends to be insults. Not unexpected of a person who thinks of 50% of the human race as objects, I guess.
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I should note that I once said i wasnt sure if TC was a conservative or just a troll and he replied with "what's the difference?" So who even knows what he really believes
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Zero_Destroyer posted...

Basically: Experiment with ideas like UBI in poverty-stricken regions in the U.S. where industry/jobs are unlikely to return. Encourage the Nordic countries to experiment. See if UBI functions. Try a ton of different shit, but yeah, make UBI one of the ideas you test.

Finland is on it
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/03/finland-experiments-universal-basic-income.html
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random note

A good way to deal with automation sucking away low-skill jobs would be to restructure higher education and provide basic necessities to poor people at a certain income level studying for a pertinent degree. One of the bigger issues with "free college for all" is that this includes degrees that likely won't result in economic mobility. For example:

-A degree in a STEM field should be incentivized, a degree in Liberal Arts probably shouldn't be.

You can provide specialized government assistance in some cases instead of a basic income if the person in question gets a monetary lift to increasing their own mobility be entering a field that isn't at risk.

or we can just spend a trillion on the military, I guess
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hockeybub89 posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

Zero_Destroyer posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

If you aren't qualified for jobs then society OWES you a Universal Basic Income! It's your RIGHT as a living breathing human being!!!

Can you genuinely not see the issue with entire fields being slowly chipped away at by outsourcing and robotics and the economic strains it will cause? Have you seen what happens to regions in the United States where industry wanes? They get poor. The money dries up. The ability to acquire easy income to pay for a degree that gets you a high-paying job? That stops being an option.

The concept of a UBI is to prevent this happening on a mass scale, for example, when the most common U.S. job (transportation) is gradually eaten up by self-driving cars in 20-30 years.

I think that's just how life goes. If Truck Driving isn't an occupation anymore then you need to find something else to do.

And when people outnumber the amount of jobs that machines can't do better than them, then what? I feel like we are worrying about the wrong thing. We will need to figure out how to live in a world with less jobs, not figure out how to shoehorn redundant, inefficient jobs into the world because damn it, humans need to be working!

This isn't a machine making our factory jobs easier. This is machines figuring out how to run the factory, the road, the restaurant, the store, the hospital, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Sorry man but you're going to have to find a way to make yourself useful to society or you're going to end up in the gutter.
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Zero_Destroyer posted...

But you go even farther than that by implying that a huge issue that will grip America isn't actually an issue. What a f***ing champion, lmao. That's what's so terrible. You don't s*** on UBI and provide an alternative, you just say "nah it's not an issue."

Sure, I have an alternative. Why don't we bring back the laws where we could jail people for being unemployed? Makes more jobs for people who want to work (construction building the prisons, IT for security, prison guards etc) and the people we were going to jail weren't going to contribute anyway right? Might as well take them off the streets rather than devoting resources to them.
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REMercsChamp posted...

Sorry man but you're going to have to find a way to make yourself useful to society or you're going to end up in the gutter.

There are plenty of well-paying jobs that aren't useful to society at all.
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LysistrataMedea posted...

tc the kind of guy to talk shit about universal healthcare and then get sick and be too poor to pay for treatment

Like how Ayn Rand ended up on medicare and Ron Paul ran to the United Nations to get out of paying for a website he wanted.

Also, hope TC doesn't accept any family inheritance he may be in line for, with how much he constantly bitches about this stuff.

For the love of god shut the fuck up already.

REMercsChamp posted...

If you aren't qualified for jobs then society OWES you a Universal Basic Income!

you are trolling with this statement but this is factually and unironically correct.
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hockeybub89 posted...

And when people outnumber the amount of jobs that machines can't do better than them, then what?

thats already been the case for years. people like you are also part of the problem for not noticing it sooner
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scar the 1 posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

Sorry man but you're going to have to find a way to make yourself useful to society or you're going to end up in the gutter.

There are plenty of well-paying jobs that aren't useful to society at all.

My point is - they've found a way to get an income. Which is what you're going to have to do as well.
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Rika_Furude posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

If you aren't qualified for jobs then society OWES you a Universal Basic Income!

you are trolling with this statement but this is factually and unironically correct.

Right...which is why dropping out in grade 10 and sitting around playing video games with your free time is so lucrative.

Oh, wait....:(
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Zero_Destroyer posted...

"all the jobs I'm qualified for are taken by automation and I can't afford college or trade schools to get a useful degree"

"lol fuck u"

"but I need income"

"lol fuck u"

give it a couple of decades and this will become standard Republican rhetoric

Has this happened in the part 5 years? Cauae people have been shouting this shit.
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REMercsChamp posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

If you aren't qualified for jobs then society OWES you a Universal Basic Income!

you are trolling with this statement but this is factually and unironically correct.

Right...which is why dropping out in grade 10 and sitting around playing video games with your free time is so lucrative.

Oh, wait....:(

or studying to be an neurosurgeon but being unemployed because a robot took your neurosurgery job
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Rika_Furude posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

If you aren't qualified for jobs then society OWES you a Universal Basic Income!

you are trolling with this statement but this is factually and unironically correct.

Right...which is why dropping out in grade 10 and sitting around playing video games with your free time is so lucrative.

Oh, wait....:(

or studying to be an neurosurgeon but being unemployed because a robot took your neurosurgery job

So you'd spend 10 years in school to become a neurosurgeon when its something a robot could do? You deserve to be unemployed then.
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nope
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s0nicfan posted...

What we need is universal basic job security. Like a perpetual "new deal" where people can be shipped around the country to do infrastructure work and menial tasks for income. It's not the most glorious work, and you have to accept being relocated, but if the alternative is "starve to death" I don't think that's so bad and it's better than money for nothing in return.

Yeah. Basic universal income is like building a fortress on top of sand dunes. It is bound to collapse.
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The USA already has welfare or social assistance. What is the difference between that and UBI
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thelovefist posted...

The USA already has welfare or social assistance. What is the difference between that and UBI

The difference is that for welfare or social assistance there's conditions you have to meet to be eligible. The eligibility criteria for Universal Basic Income is to basically be a useless freeloader.
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Conflict posted...

Jailing people for being unemployed. This man is a riot

My point here is that the guys looking for Universal Basic Income are basically the guys who have given up. Their skills are outdated and they aren't looking to improve themselves or get with the times - they're looking for a free ride through life on other people's money.

So what we can do to identify these people is to make them THINK they're getting UBI. Create clinics where people can come to register for UBI, and instead we trap them and send them to the military or prison. It's like a rat trap but for people.
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green butter posted...

give it like 20 - 30 years and this will be the next hot button issue

honestly this.

we will probably need one in the future.
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Get a job, don't expect or demand handouts.
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REMercsChamp posted...

Conflict posted...

Jailing people for being unemployed. This man is a riot

My point here is that the guys looking for Universal Basic Income are basically the guys who have given up. Their skills are outdated and they aren't looking to improve themselves or get with the times - they're looking for a free ride through life on other people's money.

So what we can do to identify these people is to make them THINK they're getting UBI. Create clinics where people can come to register for UBI, and instead we trap them and send them to the military or prison. It's like a rat trap but for people.

Reading this gave me a half chub
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EvoTech posted...

Get a job, don't expect or demand handouts.

Then provide jobs, dont expect 10 billion people to get a job when theres only 10 million jobs worldwide
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