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Coffeebeanz
04/05/17 7:05:37 PM
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As someone who is legitimately bisexual I have to say the way bioware has been shoehorning in these themes into their games feels like they're trying to White Knight us. If you really want to treat LGBTQ as normal (and you should) maybe it's time to treat us like normal people.

Then again I'm a libertarian, so I really don't care if someone offends me. I prefer the Mark Twain school of scathing satire. The funniest jokes are the ones that hit home.
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Darmik
04/05/17 7:07:08 PM
#54:


Coffeebeanz posted...
As someone who is legitimately bisexual I have to say the way bioware has been shoehorning in these themes into their games feels like they're trying to White Knight us. If you really want to treat LGBTQ as normal (and you should) maybe it's time to treat us like normal people.


Outside of Andromeda being lame with how they handled this trans character I don't think they do a bad job of it at all. How aren't they treating gay/bisexuals as normal people?
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Coffeebeanz
04/05/17 7:08:21 PM
#55:


Darmik posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
As someone who is legitimately bisexual I have to say the way bioware has been shoehorning in these themes into their games feels like they're trying to White Knight us. If you really want to treat LGBTQ as normal (and you should) maybe it's time to treat us like normal people.


Outside of Andromeda being lame with how they handled this trans character I don't think they do a bad job of it at all. How aren't they treating gay/bisexuals as normal people?


To be fair, in Andromeda it probably has to do with the writing being so shit across the board, regardless of orientation.
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Darmik
04/05/17 7:10:31 PM
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If anything Andromeda is a step back for gay romances in Bioware games. There are only two male romances apparently? I haven't even met the other one. But the one on the ship has a generic custom character face and no where near as much dialogue as far as I know. They don't even get the same attention for the love scene as well. I believe they're also adding more in future updates in regards to this.
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Coffeebeanz
04/05/17 7:11:03 PM
#57:


I'll never forgive Bioware for finally adding gay options to ME3 but making one of them Kaidan Fucking Alenko
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chill02
04/05/17 7:11:29 PM
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the other one is on Kadara
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monkmith
04/05/17 7:11:45 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
As someone who is legitimately bisexual I have to say the way bioware has been shoehorning in these themes into their games feels like they're trying to White Knight us. If you really want to treat LGBTQ as normal (and you should) maybe it's time to treat us like normal people.

Then again I'm a libertarian, so I really don't care if someone offends me. I prefer the Mark Twain school of scathing satire. The funniest jokes are the ones that hit home.

dorian was somewhat well done.
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Tmaster148
04/05/17 7:12:20 PM
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Darmik posted...
If anything Andromeda is a step back for gay romances in Bioware games. There are only two male romances apparently? I haven't even met the other one. But the one on the ship has a generic custom character face and no where near as much dialogue as far as I know. They don't even get the same attention for the love scene as well. I believe they're also adding more in future updates in regards to this.


The other guy you don't meet until you hit Chapter 6(I think, it's when you can go to Kadara).
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UnfairRepresent
04/05/17 7:12:35 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
I'll never forgive Bioware for finally adding gay options to ME3 but making one of them Kaidan Fucking Alenko

Better than Sera
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Coffeebeanz
04/05/17 7:12:54 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
I'll never forgive Bioware for finally adding gay options to ME3 but making one of them Kaidan Fucking Alenko

Better than Sera


Kaidan

Fucking

Alenko
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UnfairRepresent
04/05/17 7:14:04 PM
#63:


Coffeebeanz posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
I'll never forgive Bioware for finally adding gay options to ME3 but making one of them Kaidan Fucking Alenko

Better than Sera


Kaidan

Fucking

Alenko


Better

Than

Sera
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Darmik
04/05/17 7:14:29 PM
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We have gone through 4 games now and you still can't bang a Krogan either smh
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Coffeebeanz
04/05/17 7:14:30 PM
#65:


Coffeebeanz posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
I'll never forgive Bioware for finally adding gay options to ME3 but making one of them Kaidan Fucking Alenko

Better than Sera


Kaidan

Fucking

Alenko


The only option I ever wanted for him since ME1 was "punch repeatedly in face"
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chill02
04/05/17 7:15:34 PM
#66:


Coffeebeanz posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
I'll never forgive Bioware for finally adding gay options to ME3 but making one of them Kaidan Fucking Alenko

Better than Sera


Kaidan

Fucking

Alenko


The only option I ever wanted for him since ME1 was "punch repeatedly in face"


but you can shoot him in the Citadel when Cerberus breaks in
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UnfairRepresent
04/05/17 7:17:06 PM
#67:


Darmik posted...
We have gone through 4 games now and you still can't bang a Krogan either smh

I think that would result in death for any non Asari.

Krogan schlong is probably the size of Fem-shep's arm. Would like one of those Japanese animes.
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Darmik
04/05/17 7:17:58 PM
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Thinking about it the only two aliens you haven't been able to bang are Krogans and Batarians right? Not including synthetics like Geth. I don't believe gay Shepard or Ryder can bang a man alien either?
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UnfairRepresent
04/05/17 7:20:53 PM
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Can you date a Salarian in Andromedia?
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Darmik
04/05/17 7:21:58 PM
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I don't think so. So I guess that's another one.

Tbh I think I'd bang a Salarian before a Turian.
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chill02
04/05/17 7:23:09 PM
#71:


the batarians went extinct
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UnfairRepresent
04/05/17 7:23:39 PM
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You probably would

Also Hanar.
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iPhone_7
04/05/17 7:24:01 PM
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That's how accepting the future is in Mass Effect. A person can casually mention that they are trans and everything doesn't have to come to a halt.
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Coffeebeanz
04/05/17 7:24:23 PM
#74:


Darmik posted...
I don't think so. So I guess that's another one.

Tbh I think I'd bang a Salarian before a Turian.


I'd let Garrus do whatever he wants with me
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Darmik
04/05/17 7:26:06 PM
#75:


Coffeebeanz posted...
Darmik posted...
I don't think so. So I guess that's another one.

Tbh I think I'd bang a Salarian before a Turian.


I'd let Garrus do whatever he wants with me


Mordin has the experience
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chill02
04/05/17 7:26:33 PM
#76:


Admittedly, I just kinda stopped paying attention when I realized she wasn't going to give me any quests

"That's cool. I'm gonna go collect some rocks out there."
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Darmik
04/05/17 7:28:32 PM
#77:


It's hilarious how thirsty Male Ryder is in Andromeda with those flirt options. I don't remember Shepard being that bad.

Ryder is like "sure would be nice if we started banging do you agree?"
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eston
04/05/17 7:33:12 PM
#79:


I stopped bothering with romance options after ME2
Everything about it feels so unnecessary in these games
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AzureAnihilator
04/05/17 7:42:03 PM
#80:


Conflict posted...
@AzureAnihilator posted...
Schwarber posted...
AzureAnihilator posted...
Gotta protect the snowflakes, right? Nevermind that every single other character in the game is two-dimensional and written like trash, this one is a SPECIAL CASE.


I'm guessing you're one of the ones who absolutely lost their shit when you weren't able to make a ghost white character


Implying I play garbage.

Pro-tip: I don't.


No, you just post garbage


"(edited 7 minutes ago)"

lol imagine that.

You're trying way too hard, buddy.

I know you probably crave my attention, but don't use the mention system to bring me back here. I'm just not into you, man.
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Doom_Art
04/05/17 10:08:50 PM
#82:


Yes that was absolutely unrealistic and tbh it feels like the person who wrote that had never met or spoken at length with a trans person in their lives.
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Crazyman93
04/05/17 10:15:17 PM
#83:


ShutTheHellUp posted...
"Hainly Abrams was not included in a caring or thoughtful way," BioWare stated in a tweet. "We apologize to anyone who interacted with or was hurt by this conversation."

Of course the character wasn't. You threw someone in just to go "LOOK HOW PROGRESSIVE WE ARE!" like you seem to have a habit of doing in all your games now. Hell, if I was trans I'd be more offended that you think you need to shoehorn representation in than I'd be if it wasn't there at all.
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UnfairRepresent
04/05/17 10:20:16 PM
#84:


Doom_Art posted...
Yes that was absolutely unrealistic and tbh it feels like the person who wrote that had never met or spoken at length with a trans person in their lives.

By this logic the game shouldn't have aliens, AI or robots either
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Doom_Art
04/05/17 10:23:15 PM
#85:


Oh Unfair, you and that way you are
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UnfairRepresent
04/05/17 10:24:48 PM
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Usually right?

Yes.
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Doom_Art
04/05/17 10:25:14 PM
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If you say so
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UnfairRepresent
04/05/17 10:26:32 PM
#88:


Yes I do.

And I'm usually right so by the same logic the Bible uses, It's clearly fact.
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Doom_Art
04/05/17 10:26:59 PM
#89:


Alrighty then
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chill02
04/05/17 10:29:15 PM
#90:


why are you arguing with yourself, doom
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ThineEnemy
04/05/17 10:30:06 PM
#91:


Damn, that was bad, lmao.

At least with Inquisition, we fought and talked with the trans character in question a bit before it became a subject. While it still felt like the game was lecturing me and made me look like an insensitive a-hole, I thought it was handled decently.

But this was just bad lol
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ColdOne666
04/05/17 10:31:42 PM
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Tag.
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Skye Reynolds
04/05/17 10:33:25 PM
#93:


Schwarber posted...
AzureAnihilator posted...
Gotta protect the snowflakes, right? Nevermind that every single other character in the game is two-dimensional and written like trash, this one is a SPECIAL CASE.


I'm guessing you're one of the ones who absolutely lost their shit when you weren't able to make a ghost white character


To be honest, that is pretty fair. Light complexions aren't going anyway in the future, nor should they. I never had the slightest interest in the series, but I wouldn't want to be a part of something which hopes for a future where no one has the same skin tone that I do.



That said, that "snowflake" rant of his was some shit tier trolling and I don't defend it or the animosity he has towards trans people.
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Questionmarktarius
04/05/17 10:35:44 PM
#94:


AlisLandale posted...
Uh...isn't this every Mass Effect character?

"You're the protagonist? Let me tell you everything about both myself and my people."

What makes you think that's limited to just Mass Effect?
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AngelicTouch99
04/05/17 10:36:05 PM
#95:


Jesus fucking christ. This is what biowares damned priorities were, huh. Giving lectures on being trans. This damned game has more bugs and glitches than any game i have ever personally played. How about they fix bugs where i fall through mountains when trying to access hidden caches? Or where the game randomly crashes if you are killed really fast? Or how about how npcs teleport around for no reason.....or how kett armies are sometime permanantly invisible due to glitching.

I WISH the buttmad fatty feminists whining so bioware makes the asari butt ugly were the biggest complaints i had with this game
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chill02
04/05/17 10:37:41 PM
#96:


AngelicTouch99 posted...
This damned game has more bugs and glitches than any game i have ever personally played. How about they fix bugs where i fall through mountains when trying to access hidden caches? Or where the game randomly crashes if you are killed really fast? Or how about how npcs teleport around for no reason.....or how kett armies are sometime permanantly invisible due to glitching


they are fixing bugs, it's not like whoever's going to rewrite the dialogue works with QA
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I4NRulez
04/05/17 10:43:43 PM
#97:


ThineEnemy posted...
Damn, that was bad, lmao.

At least with Inquisition, we fought and talked with the trans character in question a bit before it became a subject. While it still felt like the game was lecturing me and made me look like an insensitive a-hole, I thought it was handled decently.

But this was just bad lol


i fucking hated that lol.

I was like oh krem is the trans character i heard about thats cool. Then Iron bull lectured me about it and i was like i never even cared and i didnt care for Krem after that.

Dorian was cool though. Even with his quest i still really liked him
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alphagamble
04/05/17 10:48:21 PM
#98:


"write what you know"

We can take both transgender and Sci Fi from Bioware's list
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UnfairRepresent
04/05/17 10:49:47 PM
#99:


I4NRulez posted...


I was like oh krem is the trans character i heard about thats cool. Then Iron bull lectured me about it and i was like i never even cared and i didnt care for Krem after that.

You can kill Krem tho
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I4NRulez
04/05/17 10:52:53 PM
#100:


UnfairRepresent posted...
I4NRulez posted...


I was like oh krem is the trans character i heard about thats cool. Then Iron bull lectured me about it and i was like i never even cared and i didnt care for Krem after that.

You can kill Krem tho


yeah but i liked iron bulls story with the chargers
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apocalyptic_4
04/05/17 10:54:10 PM
#101:


Games a mess I'm glad I didn't waste money on this.

Happy I lived through gaming at its peak years ago now days I hardly play anymore and these companies are almost unrecognizable from ten years ago especially bioware.
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