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PoopMcgee420 04/02/17 2:05:45 PM #1:	http://tinyurl.com/l7gxtbr Lmfao --- "Larry Brown has never won a championship." - bond21 Trump is my president. <cite>PoopMcgee420 posted [p:876374822] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote>http://tinyurl.com/l7gxtbr Lmfao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 04/02/17 2:09:19 PM #3:	"What these three boys did was stupid. They knew they could be punished for it. But they did not deserve to die. Brass knuckles against an AR-15? C'mon. Who was afraid for their life? There's got to be a limit to that [self defense] law. He shot all three of them. There was no need for that. These boys' families are going to suffer the rest of their lives. We have to live with this the rest of our lives. The past is history [...] But you can damn sure learn from it. And maybe some kids will learn from this." Schumacher told KTUL that he supports the right to bear arms. he never said anything about "Unfair" or having a fight, what's with this complety misrepresentation? He's saying that he didn't think the dude had to kill a bunch of stupid kids . And of course he's saying that, they're his grandkids, he's got emotional attachments. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. http://i.imgur.com/45yVrRr.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:876375044] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote> "What these three boys did was stupid. They knew they could be punished for it. But they did not deserve to die. Brass knuckles against an AR-15? C'mon. Who was afraid for their life? There's got to be a limit to that [self defense] law. He shot all three of them. There was no need for that. These boys' families are going to suffer the rest of their lives. We have to live with this the rest of our lives. The past is history [...] But you can damn sure learn from it. And maybe some kids will learn from this." Schumacher told KTUL that he supports the right to bear arms. he never said anything about "Unfair" or having a fight, what's with this complety misrepresentation? He's saying that he didn't think the dude had to kill a bunch of stupid kids . And of course he's saying that, they're his grandkids, he's got emotional attachments.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pikachupwnage 04/02/17 2:10:28 PM #4:	Three on one is unfair. Trying to even things out with your own advantage is fair. It's like complaining that someone pulled out a gun in a butter knife fight you agreed to have but only after you brought out a katana first. --- Corrin Skills! Locktouch Profiteer, Renewal Replicate Miracle. Address 04757-49018-45939-85044 http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/665/328/d75.gif <cite>pikachupwnage posted [p:876375117] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote>Three on one is unfair. Trying to even things out with your own advantage is fair. It's like complaining that someone pulled out a gun in a butter knife fight you agreed to have but only after you brought out a katana first.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Monolith1676 04/02/17 2:10:32 PM #5:	He forgot the knife. --- Gears of War 1 Assassination Legend <cite>Monolith1676 posted [p:876375123] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote>He forgot the knife.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JSancton 04/02/17 2:11:10 PM #7:	Equal force. The ar15 was not equal force. Should not have pulled the trigger unless there was evidence of life being threatened or another firearm was on the boys --- PSN: JSancton <cite>JSancton posted [p:876375162] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote>Equal force. The ar15 was not equal force. Should not have pulled the trigger unless there was evidence of life being threatened or another firearm was on the boys</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 04/02/17 2:11:18 PM #8:	Don't commit crimes, you are 99% likely to not suffer any fatal consequences because of stupid decisions. As a grandparent / parent, they need to teach children these basic things that the vast majority of people seem to understand / know about. Like don't commit a crime, or it might not end well for you. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:876375166] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote>Don't commit crimes, you are 99% likely to not suffer any fatal consequences because of stupid decisions. As a grandparent / parent, they need to teach children these basic things that the vast majority of people seem to understand / know about. Like don't commit a crime, or it might not end well for you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PoopMcgee420 04/02/17 2:12:39 PM #9:	JSancton posted... Equal force. The ar15 was not equal force. Should not have pulled the trigger unless there was evidence of life being threatened or another firearm was on the boys Mmmmm bait --- "Larry Brown has never won a championship." - bond21 Trump is my president. <cite>PoopMcgee420 posted [p:876375241] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>JSancton posted...</cite> <quote>Equal force. The ar15 was not equal force. Should not have pulled the trigger unless there was evidence of life being threatened or another firearm was on the boys</quote> Mmmmm bait</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 04/02/17 2:14:47 PM #10:	JSancton posted... Equal force. The ar15 was not equal force. Should not have pulled the trigger unless there was evidence of life being threatened or another firearm was on the boys In the heat of the moment, when 3 masked assailants with knives and brass knuckles enters your home from the sliding screen door, are you going to give them time to maybe bring out a gun, or are you going to give them time to come to a sportsman like battle in a 3 vs 1? NO! Of course not, nobody in their right mind would do that. You enter somebody else's property illegally at your own risk. Nobody with common sense would willingly risk their own lives for criminals. If they don't want to suffer consequence, don't commit a crime. There is no excuse for criminality, there should be no apology for self defense. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:876375355] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>JSancton posted...</cite> <quote>Equal force. The ar15 was not equal force. Should not have pulled the trigger unless there was evidence of life being threatened or another firearm was on the boys</quote> In the heat of the moment, when 3 masked assailants with knives and brass knuckles enters your home from the sliding screen door, are you going to give them time to maybe bring out a gun, or are you going to give them time to come to a sportsman like battle in a 3 vs 1? NO! Of course not, nobody in their right mind would do that. You enter somebody else's property illegally at your own risk. Nobody with common sense would willingly risk their own lives for criminals. If they don't want to suffer consequence, don't commit a crime. There is no excuse for criminality, there should be no apology for self defense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeoShadowhen 04/02/17 2:15:21 PM #11:	JSancton posted... Equal force. The ar15 was not equal force. Should not have pulled the trigger unless there was evidence of life being threatened or another firearm was on the boys Yeah if a home invader is armed and they don't flee at the first sign of someone present, they need to be put down. <cite>NeoShadowhen posted [p:876375386] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>JSancton posted...</cite> <quote>Equal force. The ar15 was not equal force. Should not have pulled the trigger unless there was evidence of life being threatened or another firearm was on the boys</quote> Yeah if a home invader is armed and they don't flee at the first sign of someone present, they need to be put down.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JSancton 04/02/17 2:17:53 PM #12:	NeoShadowhen posted... JSancton posted... Equal force. The ar15 was not equal force. Should not have pulled the trigger unless there was evidence of life being threatened or another firearm was on the boys Yeah if a home invader is armed and they don't flee at the first sign of someone present, they need to be put down. I think people misunderstood me. This was what I was getting to. --- PSN: JSancton <cite>JSancton posted [p:876375512] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>NeoShadowhen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JSancton posted...</cite> <quote>Equal force. The ar15 was not equal force. Should not have pulled the trigger unless there was evidence of life being threatened or another firearm was on the boys</quote> Yeah if a home invader is armed and they don't flee at the first sign of someone present, they need to be put down.</quote> I think people misunderstood me. This was what I was getting to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Drpooplol 04/02/17 2:18:34 PM #13:	JSancton posted... Equal force. The ar15 was not equal force. Should not have pulled the trigger unless there was evidence of life being threatened or another firearm was on the boys In the eyes of the law, self defense doesn't require the use of equal force, only reasonable force. When three young men have dangerous weapons which could easily kill you, I would say his force was justified. --- "Or do you want to know more about my vagina?" LIE "No" <cite>Drpooplol posted [p:876375550] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>JSancton posted...</cite> <quote>Equal force. The ar15 was not equal force. Should not have pulled the trigger unless there was evidence of life being threatened or another firearm was on the boys</quote> In the eyes of the law, self defense doesn't require the use of equal force, only reasonable force. When three young men have dangerous weapons which could easily kill you, I would say his force was justified.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 04/02/17 2:18:37 PM #14:	JSancton posted... Equal force. The ar15 was not equal force. Should not have pulled the trigger unless there was evidence of life being threatened or another firearm was on the boys A) Dumb troll attempt, or B) Ill-informed, as there's no such concept as "equal force." There's proportional or reasonable force. Shooting at three people breaking into your house armed with at least melee weapons is perfectly reasonable. There's a clear and present physical threat there. Now if it was three kids breaking his mail box and he opened fire, then you'd have grounds for excessive force. --- The poster formerly known as Kakarot181: July 2, 2002 - March 14, 2012. Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:876375552] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>JSancton posted...</cite> <quote>Equal force. The ar15 was not equal force. Should not have pulled the trigger unless there was evidence of life being threatened or another firearm was on the boys</quote> A) Dumb troll attempt, or B) Ill-informed, as there's no such concept as "equal force." There's proportional or reasonable force. Shooting at three people breaking into your house armed with at least melee weapons is perfectly reasonable. There's a clear and present physical threat there. Now if it was three kids breaking his mail box and he opened fire, then you'd have grounds for excessive force.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 04/02/17 2:19:43 PM #15:	Drpooplol posted... In the eyes of the law, self defense doesn't require the use of equal force, only reasonable force. When three young men have dangerous weapons which could easily kill you, I would say his force was justified. Don't forget it was 3 vs 1. His rifle made it the great equalizer. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:876375593] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>Drpooplol posted...</cite> <quote>In the eyes of the law, self defense doesn't require the use of equal force, only reasonable force. When three young men have dangerous weapons which could easily kill you, I would say his force was justified.</quote>Don't forget it was 3 vs 1. His rifle made it the great equalizer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
unpleasant_milk 04/02/17 2:20:22 PM #16:	He should have left guns by the front door so the crims could have armed themselves and ensured a fairer 'fight'. --- GT unpleasant milk #I want a poacher skin rug ~ http://imgur.com/a/V10yv <cite>unpleasant_milk posted [p:876375629] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote>He should have left guns by the front door so the crims could have armed themselves and ensured a fairer 'fight'.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 04/02/17 2:21:14 PM #17:	unpleasant_milk posted... He should have left guns by the front door so the crims could have armed themselves and ensured a fairer 'fight'. I hope you're being sarcastic, you know I can't hear the tone of your voice over a message board text post. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:876375667] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>unpleasant_milk posted...</cite> <quote>He should have left guns by the front door so the crims could have armed themselves and ensured a fairer 'fight'.</quote>I hope you're being sarcastic, you know I can't hear the tone of your voice over a message board text post.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 04/02/17 2:26:36 PM #18:	In the heat of the moment, when 3 masked assailants with knives and brass knuckles enters your home from the sliding screen door, are you going to give them time to maybe bring out a gun, or are you going to give them time to come to a sportsman like battle in a 3 vs 1? NO! Of course not, nobody in their right mind would do that. Errr what are you talking about? According to both the gunman and the dad, that's exactly what they did. They had a conversation in the Kitchen with the crooks at gunpoint, then after the conversation he shot two of them then and there, the 3rd tried to run away and he shot the 3rd in the driveway. Dunno which is which but one of them wasnt even an adult, could well have been the one running away This was the ringleader/Getaway driver by the way : She's been charged with robbery and 1-first degree murder. Which I think is a little harsh because she didn't murder anyone, even though she arranged the robbery --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. http://i.imgur.com/45yVrRr.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:876375974] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><quote> In the heat of the moment, when 3 masked assailants with knives and brass knuckles enters your home from the sliding screen door, are you going to give them time to maybe bring out a gun, or are you going to give them time to come to a sportsman like battle in a 3 vs 1? NO! Of course not, nobody in their right mind would do that.</quote> Errr what are you talking about? According to both the gunman and the dad, that's exactly what they did. They had a conversation in the Kitchen with the crooks at gunpoint, then after the conversation he shot two of them then and there, the 3rd tried to run away and he shot the 3rd in the driveway. Dunno which is which but one of them wasnt even an adult, could well have been the one running away This was the ringleader/Getaway driver by the way : She's been charged with robbery and 1-first degree murder. Which I think is a little harsh because she didn't murder anyone, even though she arranged the robbery</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
slothica 04/02/17 2:29:03 PM #19:	Break into someones home, be ready to die. End of story. The kids killed themselves. --- I'm the devil, and I'm here to do the devil's work. 3DS FC: 2079-7127-4943 (Pokemon IGN: Zombie, Sage) <cite>slothica posted [p:876376092] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote>Break into someones home, be ready to die. End of story. The kids killed themselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 04/02/17 2:30:25 PM #20:	UnfairRepresent posted... According to both the gunman and the dad, that's exactly what they did. They had a conversation in the Kitchen, then he shot two of them then and there, the 3rd tried to run away and he shot the 3rd. Dunno which is which but one of them wasnt even an adult, could well have been the one running away Then the adult child that was defending himself was kind enough to warn them before things got worse. Obviously negotiations failed and those 3 got what they deserved. And the fat ring reader gets what she deserves, she literally drove the other 3 into the situation to burglarize the place, she's the exact reason why those 3 are dead. No Robbery, No Death from Self Defending Adult Child who lives there. Simple logic, if you want to avoid risking death, don't commit a crime. Vast majority of society doesn't commit crimes, ergo they don't risk death due to commiting crimes. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:876376163] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>According to both the gunman and the dad, that's exactly what they did. They had a conversation in the Kitchen, then he shot two of them then and there, the 3rd tried to run away and he shot the 3rd. Dunno which is which but one of them wasnt even an adult, could well have been the one running away</quote>Then the adult child that was defending himself was kind enough to warn them before things got worse. Obviously negotiations failed and those 3 got what they deserved. And the fat ring reader gets what she deserves, she literally drove the other 3 into the situation to burglarize the place, she's the exact reason why those 3 are dead. No Robbery, No Death from Self Defending Adult Child who lives there. Simple logic, if you want to avoid risking death, don't commit a crime. Vast majority of society doesn't commit crimes, ergo they don't risk death due to commiting crimes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Monolith1676 04/02/17 2:32:09 PM #21:	KamenRiderBlade posted... UnfairRepresent posted... According to both the gunman and the dad, that's exactly what they did. They had a conversation in the Kitchen, then he shot two of them then and there, the 3rd tried to run away and he shot the 3rd. Dunno which is which but one of them wasnt even an adult, could well have been the one running away Then the adult child that was defending himself was kind enough to warn them before things got worse. Obviously negotiations failed and those 3 got what they deserved. And the fat ring reader gets what she deserves, she literally drove the other 3 into the situation to burglarize the place, she's the exact reason why those 3 are dead. No Robbery, No Death from Self Defending Adult Child who lives there. Simple logic, if you want to avoid risking death, don't commit a crime. Vast majority of society doesn't commit crimes, ergo they don't risk death due to commiting crimes. OMGZ, such victim blaming. --- Gears of War 1 Assassination Legend <cite>Monolith1676 posted [p:876376252] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>KamenRiderBlade posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>According to both the gunman and the dad, that's exactly what they did. They had a conversation in the Kitchen, then he shot two of them then and there, the 3rd tried to run away and he shot the 3rd. Dunno which is which but one of them wasnt even an adult, could well have been the one running away</quote>Then the adult child that was defending himself was kind enough to warn them before things got worse. Obviously negotiations failed and those 3 got what they deserved. And the fat ring reader gets what she deserves, she literally drove the other 3 into the situation to burglarize the place, she's the exact reason why those 3 are dead. No Robbery, No Death from Self Defending Adult Child who lives there. Simple logic, if you want to avoid risking death, don't commit a crime. Vast majority of society doesn't commit crimes, ergo they don't risk death due to commiting crimes.</quote> OMGZ, such victim blaming.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metralo 04/02/17 2:33:25 PM #22:	fair, next. don't fucking rob people. --- https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1298321979/image.jpg <cite>metralo posted [p:876376322] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote>fair, next. don't fucking rob people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 04/02/17 2:33:48 PM #23:	Monolith1676 posted... OMGZ, such victim blaming. The home owner is the real victim. The "Burglary 4" are the perpatrators. They got what they deserved for commiting a crime. Stop trying to Victim Blame you fool. Stop trying to justify illegal acts like Burglary. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:876376343] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>Monolith1676 posted...</cite> <quote>OMGZ, such victim blaming.</quote> The home owner is the real victim. The "Burglary 4" are the perpatrators. They got what they deserved for commiting a crime. Stop trying to Victim Blame you fool. Stop trying to justify illegal acts like Burglary.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Monolith1676 04/02/17 2:35:30 PM #24:	KamenRiderBlade posted... Monolith1676 posted... OMGZ, such victim blaming. The home owner is the real victim. The "Burglary 4" are the perpatrators. They got what they deserved for commiting a crime. Stop trying to Victim Blame you fool. Stop trying to justify illegal acts like Burglary. I figured the Z would give it away that I was being sarcastic. --- Gears of War 1 Assassination Legend <cite>Monolith1676 posted [p:876376429] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>KamenRiderBlade posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Monolith1676 posted...</cite> <quote>OMGZ, such victim blaming.</quote> The home owner is the real victim. The "Burglary 4" are the perpatrators. They got what they deserved for commiting a crime. Stop trying to Victim Blame you fool. Stop trying to justify illegal acts like Burglary.</quote> I figured the Z would give it away that I was being sarcastic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrPeppers 04/02/17 2:36:11 PM #25:	Monolith1676 posted... I figured the Z would give it away that I was being sarcastic. Some people are so bad at reading sarcasm, lol --- http://i.imgur.com/SGkkbF0.png <cite>MrPeppers posted [p:876376473] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>Monolith1676 posted...</cite> <quote> I figured the Z would give it away that I was being sarcastic.</quote> Some people are so bad at reading sarcasm, lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 04/02/17 2:36:17 PM #26:	Don't break into someone's house. If you break into someone's house you're assuming the risk that the homeowner will use deadly force. No sympathy whatsoever. The homeowner is a hero. --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:876376479] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote>Don't break into someone's house. If you break into someone's house you're assuming the risk that the homeowner will use deadly force. No sympathy whatsoever. The homeowner is a hero.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 04/02/17 2:36:36 PM #27:	Monolith1676 posted... I figured the Z would give it away that I was being sarcastic. Given the number of SJW's / Liberals on this board, it's hard to tell. Please use <sarcasm>...</sarcasm> tags when posting. I can't hear the tone of your voice over text postings on a messageboard. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:876376493] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>Monolith1676 posted...</cite> <quote>I figured the Z would give it away that I was being sarcastic.</quote> Given the number of SJW's / Liberals on this board, it's hard to tell. Please use <sarcasm>...</sarcasm> tags when posting. I can't hear the tone of your voice over text postings on a messageboard.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrPeppers 04/02/17 2:37:41 PM #28:	KamenRiderBlade posted... Monolith1676 posted... I figured the Z would give it away that I was being sarcastic. Given the number of SJW's / Liberals on this board, it's hard to tell. Please use <sarcasm>...</sarcasm> tags when posting. I can't hear the tone of your voice over text postings on a messageboard. You seem intelligent. Use deliberation. --- http://i.imgur.com/SGkkbF0.png <cite>MrPeppers posted [p:876376551] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>KamenRiderBlade posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Monolith1676 posted...</cite> <quote>I figured the Z would give it away that I was being sarcastic.</quote> Given the number of SJW's / Liberals on this board, it's hard to tell. Please use <sarcasm>...</sarcasm> tags when posting. I can't hear the tone of your voice over text postings on a messageboard.</quote> You seem intelligent. Use deliberation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
unpleasant_milk 04/02/17 2:38:11 PM #29:	KamenRiderBlade posted... unpleasant_milk posted... He should have left guns by the front door so the crims could have armed themselves and ensured a fairer 'fight'. I hope you're being sarcastic, you know I can't hear the tone of your voice over a message board text post. Was being incredibly sarcastic lol --- GT unpleasant milk #I want a poacher skin rug ~ http://imgur.com/a/V10yv <cite>unpleasant_milk posted [p:876376572] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>KamenRiderBlade posted...</cite> <quote><cite>unpleasant_milk posted...</cite> <quote>He should have left guns by the front door so the crims could have armed themselves and ensured a fairer 'fight'.</quote>I hope you're being sarcastic, you know I can't hear the tone of your voice over a message board text post.</quote> Was being incredibly sarcastic lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 04/02/17 2:38:43 PM #30:	Why do we interview people who are obviously mourning and then laugh at the stupid comments they make. --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:876376606] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote>Why do we interview people who are obviously mourning and then laugh at the stupid comments they make.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Offworlder1 04/02/17 2:38:54 PM #31:	The defender with the ar-15 had words with them before he fired, sounds like he did give them a chance but they did not accept so he shot. Other thing is there were 3 invaders who were armed with brass knuckles, and atleast 1 knife so these kids came with weapons intending to use force and violence if it came down to it. Had they been unarmed kids they likely would have just turned tail and run but they had weapons which drastically changes the situation. The guy was justified in shooting them and if the grandfather is so upset maybe these kids should have been taught better that breaking into a person's home is not ok. --- "Always two there are, a master and an apprentice" <cite>Offworlder1 posted [p:876376615] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote>The defender with the ar-15 had words with them before he fired, sounds like he did give them a chance but they did not accept so he shot. Other thing is there were 3 invaders who were armed with brass knuckles, and atleast 1 knife so these kids came with weapons intending to use force and violence if it came down to it. Had they been unarmed kids they likely would have just turned tail and run but they had weapons which drastically changes the situation. The guy was justified in shooting them and if the grandfather is so upset maybe these kids should have been taught better that breaking into a person's home is not ok.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fossil 04/02/17 2:39:55 PM #32:	Offworlder1 posted... The defender with the ar-15 had words with them before he fired, sounds like he did give them a chance but they did not accept so he shot. Other thing is there were 3 invaders who were armed with brass knuckles, and atleast 1 knife so these kids came with weapons intending to use force and violence if it came down to it. Had they been unarmed kids they likely would have just turned tail and run but they had weapons which drastically changes the situation. The guy was justified in shooting them and if the grandfather is so upset maybe these kids should have been taught better that breaking into a person's home is not ok. /topic --- http://i.imgtc.com/fHHz9y2.png http://i.imgtc.com/aRoMBvt.png <cite>Fossil posted [p:876376669] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>Offworlder1 posted...</cite> <quote>The defender with the ar-15 had words with them before he fired, sounds like he did give them a chance but they did not accept so he shot. Other thing is there were 3 invaders who were armed with brass knuckles, and atleast 1 knife so these kids came with weapons intending to use force and violence if it came down to it. Had they been unarmed kids they likely would have just turned tail and run but they had weapons which drastically changes the situation. The guy was justified in shooting them and if the grandfather is so upset maybe these kids should have been taught better that breaking into a person's home is not ok.</quote> /topic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Monolith1676 04/02/17 2:39:59 PM #33:	KamenRiderBlade posted... Monolith1676 posted... I figured the Z would give it away that I was being sarcastic. Given the number of SJW's / Liberals on this board, it's hard to tell. Please use <sarcasm>...</sarcasm> tags when posting. I can't hear the tone of your voice over text postings on a messageboard. Sure you can. I am yelling as I type things out. --- Gears of War 1 Assassination Legend <cite>Monolith1676 posted [p:876376673] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>KamenRiderBlade posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Monolith1676 posted...</cite> <quote>I figured the Z would give it away that I was being sarcastic.</quote> Given the number of SJW's / Liberals on this board, it's hard to tell. Please use <sarcasm>...</sarcasm> tags when posting. I can't hear the tone of your voice over text postings on a messageboard.</quote> Sure you can. I am yelling as I type things out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
__aCEr__ 04/02/17 2:40:43 PM #34:	MrPeppers posted... You seem intelligent. Yo are you being sarcastic? <cite>__aCEr__ posted [p:876376711] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote>You seem intelligent.</quote> Yo are you being sarcastic?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 04/02/17 2:41:24 PM #35:	KamenRiderBlade posted... Then the adult child that was defending himself was kind enough to warn them before things got worse. Obviously negotiations failed and those 3 got what they deserved That's an assumption and actually an unlikely one considering they didn't attack him and 1 ran away If you're so comfortable with your argument, why do you need to lie about it? KamenRiderBlade posted... And the fat ring reader gets what she deserves, she literally drove the other 3 into the situation to burglarize the place, she's the exact reason why those 3 are dead. I don't agree. She should be charged with the attemped robbery. But she didn't murder anyone. You can't blame her for the kids breaking into the home being shot. She neither ran in nor pulled the trigger. Not in my opinion. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. http://i.imgur.com/45yVrRr.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:876376742] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>KamenRiderBlade posted...</cite> <quote>Then the adult child that was defending himself was kind enough to warn them before things got worse. Obviously negotiations failed and those 3 got what they deserved</quote> That's an assumption and actually an unlikely one considering they didn't attack him and 1 ran away If you're so comfortable with your argument, why do you need to lie about it? <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted...</cite> <quote> And the fat ring reader gets what she deserves, she literally drove the other 3 into the situation to burglarize the place, she's the exact reason why those 3 are dead.</quote> I don't agree. She should be charged with the attemped robbery. But she didn't murder anyone. You can't blame her for the kids breaking into the home being shot. She neither ran in nor pulled the trigger. Not in my opinion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheBiggerWiggle 04/02/17 2:42:05 PM #36:	Fair, next. The kids deserved to die. Don't break into someone's home armed with knives and brass knuckles. --- I have trouble concentrating because I have 80HD. <cite>TheBiggerWiggle posted [p:876376777] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote>Fair, next. The kids deserved to die. Don't break into someone's home armed with knives and brass knuckles.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CoolMaskGuy 04/02/17 2:43:03 PM #37:	Breaking into someone's home with weapons is one of the most scumbag and threatening things you can possibly do. The homeowner will absolutely fear for their life and it shouldn't be shocking at all if they react with deadly force if they have the means. <cite>CoolMaskGuy posted [p:876376833] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote>Breaking into someone's home with weapons is one of the most scumbag and threatening things you can possibly do. The homeowner will absolutely fear for their life and it shouldn't be shocking at all if they react with deadly force if they have the means.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 04/02/17 2:44:29 PM #38:	I just don't understand the logic of some of you guys..."hur dur fair next don't rob people!"...yea, i agree, they shouldn't have attempted a robbery, but why do you guys suddenly fling context and logic out the window once a gun is involved? So he had a chance to stop and talk to them? He shot one in the back as they were fleeing? Look, if the two he shot first jumped him, I get it...that could be considered self defense if he truthfully feared for his life...but the one running away? That person is an idiot and should have faced consequences, but if you shoot someone in the back as they're running away you are no longer doing it in self defense, you are doing it in anger and spite...And that shouldn't become a thing... and before all you gun nuts attack me, I don't blame him for shooting if he feared for his life, but all this "FAIR NEXT DON'T ROB PEOPLE THEY DESERVED IT" bull shit needs to stop.... <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:876376925] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote>I just don't understand the logic of some of you guys..."hur dur fair next don't rob people!"...yea, i agree, they shouldn't have attempted a robbery, but why do you guys suddenly fling context and logic out the window once a gun is involved? So he had a chance to stop and talk to them? He shot one in the back as they were fleeing? Look, if the two he shot first jumped him, I get it...that could be considered self defense if he truthfully feared for his life...but the one running away? That person is an idiot and should have faced consequences, but if you shoot someone in the back as they're running away you are no longer doing it in self defense, you are doing it in anger and spite...And that shouldn't become a thing... and before all you gun nuts attack me, I don't blame him for shooting if he feared for his life, but all this "FAIR NEXT DON'T ROB PEOPLE THEY DESERVED IT" bull shit needs to stop....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
the_cajun88 04/02/17 2:45:31 PM #39:	slothica posted... Break into someones home, be ready to die. End of story. Basically. --- http://i.imgur.com/ks5GR7C.jpg http://i.imgur.com/vG1Yhak.jpg <cite>the_cajun88 posted [p:876376973] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>slothica posted...</cite> <quote>Break into someones home, be ready to die. End of story. </quote> Basically.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 04/02/17 2:45:45 PM #40:	UnfairRepresent posted... That's an assumption and actually an unlikely one considering they didn't attack him and 1 ran away If you're so comfortable with your argument, why do you need to lie about it? http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/27/us/oklahoma-three-dead-home-burglary/ "There was a short exchange of words, then gunfire happened," Mahoney told reporters. What could you possibly say to 3 home invaders who bring weapons? --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:876376984] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>That's an assumption and actually an unlikely one considering they didn't attack him and 1 ran away If you're so comfortable with your argument, why do you need to lie about it?</quote> http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/27/us/oklahoma-three-dead-home-burglary/ <quote>"There was a short exchange of words, then gunfire happened," Mahoney told reporters.</quote> What could you possibly say to 3 home invaders who bring weapons?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 04/02/17 2:47:20 PM #41:	UnfairRepresent posted... I don't agree. She should be charged with the attemped robbery. But she didn't murder anyone. You can't blame her for the kids breaking into the home being shot. She neither ran in nor pulled the trigger. Not in my opinion. You can blame her for thinking up of a stupid idea to violate the law via burglarizing this family's home. She's the exact reason why they are dead. If you don't commit a crime, you won't risk people having to defend themselves. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:876377083] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>I don't agree. She should be charged with the attemped robbery. But she didn't murder anyone. You can't blame her for the kids breaking into the home being shot. She neither ran in nor pulled the trigger. Not in my opinion.</quote>You can blame her for thinking up of a stupid idea to violate the law via burglarizing this family's home. She's the exact reason why they are dead. If you don't commit a crime, you won't risk people having to defend themselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Offworlder1 04/02/17 2:48:53 PM #42:	I don't like that he shot the one in the back as he was fleeing but woth the adrenaline pumping who knows how fast this went down once he started firing. I personally see a person running away as a non threat unless they are claiming as they run "I'm getting reinforcements/going to get my boys" in which case they are still a threat. --- "Always two there are, a master and an apprentice" <cite>Offworlder1 posted [p:876377178] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote>I don't like that he shot the one in the back as he was fleeing but woth the adrenaline pumping who knows how fast this went down once he started firing. I personally see a person running away as a non threat unless they are claiming as they run "I'm getting reinforcements/going to get my boys" in which case they are still a threat.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
unpleasant_milk 04/02/17 2:50:15 PM #43:	Maybe it will teach burglars to not break in unless heavily armed with ARs and grenades. --- GT unpleasant milk #I want a poacher skin rug ~ http://imgur.com/a/V10yv <cite>unpleasant_milk posted [p:876377244] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote>Maybe it will teach burglars to not break in unless heavily armed with ARs and grenades.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 04/02/17 2:50:15 PM #44:	TheVipaGTS posted... I just don't understand the logic of some of you guys..."hur dur fair next don't rob people!"...yea, i agree, they shouldn't have attempted a robbery, but why do you guys suddenly fling context and logic out the window once a gun is involved? So he had a chance to stop and talk to them? He shot one in the back as they were fleeing? Look, if the two he shot first jumped him, I get it...that could be considered self defense if he truthfully feared for his life...but the one running away? That person is an idiot and should have faced consequences, but if you shoot someone in the back as they're running away you are no longer doing it in self defense, you are doing it in anger and spite...And that shouldn't become a thing... and before all you gun nuts attack me, I don't blame him for shooting if he feared for his life, but all this "FAIR NEXT DON'T ROB PEOPLE THEY DESERVED IT" bull shit needs to stop.... Just because a criminal is running away, doesn't mean they aren't a potential future threats. There's been plenty of cases where bad guys hit the same target multiple times because it's a easy target. Given that they brought weapons the first time, the Adult child had plenty of reason to fear for his life and his family's, especially if they come back for revenge or to finish off what they started. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:876377245] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>I just don't understand the logic of some of you guys..."hur dur fair next don't rob people!"...yea, i agree, they shouldn't have attempted a robbery, but why do you guys suddenly fling context and logic out the window once a gun is involved? So he had a chance to stop and talk to them? He shot one in the back as they were fleeing? Look, if the two he shot first jumped him, I get it...that could be considered self defense if he truthfully feared for his life...but the one running away? That person is an idiot and should have faced consequences, but if you shoot someone in the back as they're running away you are no longer doing it in self defense, you are doing it in anger and spite...And that shouldn't become a thing... and before all you gun nuts attack me, I don't blame him for shooting if he feared for his life, but all this "FAIR NEXT DON'T ROB PEOPLE THEY DESERVED IT" bull shit needs to stop....</quote>Just because a criminal is running away, doesn't mean they aren't a potential future threats. There's been plenty of cases where bad guys hit the same target multiple times because it's a easy target. Given that they brought weapons the first time, the Adult child had plenty of reason to fear for his life and his family's, especially if they come back for revenge or to finish off what they started.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 04/02/17 2:50:43 PM #45:	KamenRiderBlade posted... UnfairRepresent posted... I don't agree. She should be charged with the attemped robbery. But she didn't murder anyone. You can't blame her for the kids breaking into the home being shot. She neither ran in nor pulled the trigger. Not in my opinion. You can blame her for thinking up of a stupid idea to violate the law via burglarizing this family's home. She's the exact reason why they are dead. If you don't commit a crime, you won't risk people having to defend themselves. Not sure I agree with the logic of "Well if you didn't X then Y wouldn't have occured." Blame her for arranging and taking part in the robbery sure, but saying "They wouldn't be there if not for her" means their parents are all also guilty of murder. Hell this grandfather is also guilty of murder by that logic. That's not how cause and effect works --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. http://i.imgur.com/45yVrRr.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:876377272] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>KamenRiderBlade posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>I don't agree. She should be charged with the attemped robbery. But she didn't murder anyone. You can't blame her for the kids breaking into the home being shot. She neither ran in nor pulled the trigger. Not in my opinion.</quote>You can blame her for thinking up of a stupid idea to violate the law via burglarizing this family's home. She's the exact reason why they are dead. If you don't commit a crime, you won't risk people having to defend themselves.</quote> Not sure I agree with the logic of "Well if you didn't X then Y wouldn't have occured." Blame her for arranging and taking part in the robbery sure, but saying "They wouldn't be there if not for her" means their parents are all also guilty of murder. Hell this grandfather is also guilty of murder by that logic. That's not how cause and effect works</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Milkman5 04/02/17 2:52:14 PM #46:	slothica posted... Break into someones home, be ready to die. End of story. The kids killed themselves. <cite>Milkman5 posted [p:876377355] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>slothica posted...</cite> <quote>Break into someones home, be ready to die. End of story. The kids killed themselves.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
stone 04/02/17 2:52:15 PM #47:	pikachupwnage posted... Three on one is unfair. Trying to even things out with your own advantage is fair. It's like complaining that someone pulled out a gun in a butter knife fight you agreed to have but only after you brought out a katana first. So much this. Boohoo not fair you were better equipped than us, if we had known we'd have tried robbing next door instead! --- PONG WAS REAL? I thought that was just a story parents told kids to scare them <cite>stone posted [p:876377357] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>pikachupwnage posted...</cite> <quote>Three on one is unfair. Trying to even things out with your own advantage is fair. It's like complaining that someone pulled out a gun in a butter knife fight you agreed to have but only after you brought out a katana first.</quote> So much this. Boohoo not fair you were better equipped than us, if we had known we'd have tried robbing next door instead!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 04/02/17 2:52:19 PM #48:	Offworlder1 posted... I don't like that he shot the one in the back as he was fleeing but woth the adrenaline pumping who knows how fast this went down once he started firing. I personally see a person running away as a non threat unless they are claiming as they run "I'm getting reinforcements/going to get my boys" in which case they are still a threat. As long as a person commits a crime against you, they are threat, retreating or not. When your life and the life of your family is on the line, sportsmanship is out of the window. Survival is the only thing that matters along with protecting yourself, your family, your friends, and your property. Badguys have struck the same place multiple times and revenge is always a looming threat, especially if their friends are dead because they failed the first time. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:876377363] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>Offworlder1 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't like that he shot the one in the back as he was fleeing but woth the adrenaline pumping who knows how fast this went down once he started firing. I personally see a person running away as a non threat unless they are claiming as they run "I'm getting reinforcements/going to get my boys" in which case they are still a threat.</quote>As long as a person commits a crime against you, they are threat, retreating or not. When your life and the life of your family is on the line, sportsmanship is out of the window. Survival is the only thing that matters along with protecting yourself, your family, your friends, and your property. Badguys have struck the same place multiple times and revenge is always a looming threat, especially if their friends are dead because they failed the first time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 04/02/17 2:52:52 PM #49:	KamenRiderBlade posted... Given that they brought weapons the first time, the Adult child had plenty of reason to fear for his life and his family's, especially if they come back for revenge or to finish off what they started. If this is true, why do you people have to lie about the details of the case and make up ridiclous assumptions to justify it? That's the part I don't get, why does TC have to lie about what the Grandpa said and you guys need to lie about the events that occured until someone smart like me points them out, and then you go "Well it's still valid!" Just seems like you're not as confident in your views as you pretend to be --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. http://i.imgur.com/45yVrRr.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:876377392] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>KamenRiderBlade posted...</cite> <quote> Given that they brought weapons the first time, the Adult child had plenty of reason to fear for his life and his family's, especially if they come back for revenge or to finish off what they started.</quote> If this is true, why do you people have to lie about the details of the case and make up ridiclous assumptions to justify it? That's the part I don't get, why does TC have to lie about what the Grandpa said and you guys need to lie about the events that occured until someone smart like me points them out, and then you go "Well it's still valid!" Just seems like you're not as confident in your views as you pretend to be</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 04/02/17 2:53:10 PM #50:	If someone's only armed with a weapon designed for punching, a 1911 would be "unfair" if you can shoot them in the chest and head. --- I love funposting. <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:876377416] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote>If someone's only armed with a weapon designed for punching, a 1911 would be "unfair" if you can shoot them in the chest and head.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeoShadowhen 04/02/17 2:53:35 PM #51:	Offworlder1 posted... I don't like that he shot the one in the back as he was fleeing but woth the adrenaline pumping who knows how fast this went down once he started firing. I personally see a person running away as a non threat unless they are claiming as they run "I'm getting reinforcements/going to get my boys" in which case they are still a threat. We don't know that happened. It doesn't say that anywhere. The third burglar was found on the driveway. It could be a situation where they were shot in the house, ran and collapsed. Obviously shooting someone in the back as they are fleeing is almost certainly not okay. <cite>NeoShadowhen posted [p:876377436] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>Offworlder1 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't like that he shot the one in the back as he was fleeing but woth the adrenaline pumping who knows how fast this went down once he started firing. I personally see a person running away as a non threat unless they are claiming as they run "I'm getting reinforcements/going to get my boys" in which case they are still a threat.</quote> We don't know that happened. It doesn't say that anywhere. The third burglar was found on the driveway. It could be a situation where they were shot in the house, ran and collapsed. Obviously shooting someone in the back as they are fleeing is almost certainly not okay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Monolith1676 04/02/17 2:53:46 PM #52:	TheVipaGTS posted... I just don't understand the logic of some of you guys..."hur dur fair next don't rob people!"...yea, i agree, they shouldn't have attempted a robbery, but why do you guys suddenly fling context and logic out the window once a gun is involved? So he had a chance to stop and talk to them? He shot one in the back as they were fleeing? Look, if the two he shot first jumped him, I get it...that could be considered self defense if he truthfully feared for his life...but the one running away? That person is an idiot and should have faced consequences, but if you shoot someone in the back as they're running away you are no longer doing it in self defense, you are doing it in anger and spite...And that shouldn't become a thing... and before all you gun nuts attack me, I don't blame him for shooting if he feared for his life, but all this "FAIR NEXT DON'T ROB PEOPLE THEY DESERVED IT" bull shit needs to stop.... Are you advocating robbing people? --- Gears of War 1 Assassination Legend <cite>Monolith1676 posted [p:876377448] in Grandpa of... [t:75188780]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>I just don't understand the logic of some of you guys..."hur dur fair next don't rob people!"...yea, i agree, they shouldn't have attempted a robbery, but why do you guys suddenly fling context and logic out the window once a gun is involved? So he had a chance to stop and talk to them? He shot one in the back as they were fleeing? Look, if the two he shot first jumped him, I get it...that could be considered self defense if he truthfully feared for his life...but the one running away? That person is an idiot and should have faced consequences, but if you shoot someone in the back as they're running away you are no longer doing it in self defense, you are doing it in anger and spite...And that shouldn't become a thing... and before all you gun nuts attack me, I don't blame him for shooting if he feared for his life, but all this "FAIR NEXT DON'T ROB PEOPLE THEY DESERVED IT" bull shit needs to stop....</quote> Are you advocating robbing people?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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