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AdmiralZephyr 04/06/17 12:32:19 PM #202:	Inviso posted... by the time the merge hit, I think she only had three people she could reasonably beat in the finals, and two of those three was gone by the time she hit the final four. Aside from Neleh I'm guessing the other two you are referring to are Zoe and the General? --- darkx remembers his friend, GrapefruitKing. RIP :( Games beaten in 2017: 8 (Most recent - Uncharted 4: A Thief's End) <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:876659507] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote><cite>Inviso posted...</cite> <quote>by the time the merge hit, I think she only had three people she could reasonably beat in the finals, and two of those three was gone by the time she hit the final four.</quote> Aside from Neleh I'm guessing the other two you are referring to are Zoe and the General?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FigureOfSpeech 04/06/17 1:05:03 PM #203:	AdmiralZephyr posted... Inviso posted... by the time the merge hit, I think she only had three people she could reasonably beat in the finals, and two of those three was gone by the time she hit the final four. Aside from Neleh I'm guessing the other two you are referring to are Zoe and the General? lol imagine if somehow zoe and the general ended up being the final 2 rofl XP --- Winner of both The Epic Struggle 1 and PBBS. Machete phone-posting... <cite>FigureOfSpeech posted [p:876661632] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote><cite>AdmiralZephyr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Inviso posted...</cite> <quote>by the time the merge hit, I think she only had three people she could reasonably beat in the finals, and two of those three was gone by the time she hit the final four.</quote> Aside from Neleh I'm guessing the other two you are referring to are Zoe and the General?</quote> lol imagine if somehow zoe and the general ended up being the final 2 rofl XP</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 04/06/17 1:24:14 PM #204:	I was thinking Rob and Sean. --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever http://i.imgur.com/SSw6M9E.gif <cite>Espeon posted [p:876662858] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>I was thinking Rob and Sean.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/06/17 5:21:59 PM #205:	@AdmiralZephyr Midpoint ranking time! 17. John Cochran (Survivor: Caramoan) I gave Parvati, Rob and Tyson a ton of shit for winning over a field of newbies, which is a format I find inherently unfair and beneficial to the veteran players. But those three also had the added negative of playing the game in such a way that the ONLY way they could win was going to the finals with the EXACT combination of players they did. In Cochran’s case, I still rank him lowest of his tier (the “questionable winners” tier), but I also think he played a solid enough game that he had other options of who to go to the endgame with. Obviously he blew out Sherri and Dawn, but I think he would have a compelling case against Eddie, Erik, Brenda and MAYBE Andrea. It’s hard not to qualify Cochran as a “leader” given just how much control he had over the season. Whether you think Caramoan was rigged in his favor of not (via the questionable selection of returnees that had personal connections with him), he made the best of that situation and constantly positioned himself in the center of his tribes. Together with Dawn, Cochran had a powerful duo that could direct the vote as he saw fit, picking and choosing when the make moves and when to lay low. They were the swing votes between Francesca/Andrea, the swing votes between Corinne/Sherri, the swing votes between Andrea/Brenda, and the swing votes between Brenda/Eddie. So effectively, Cochran worked with Dawn to ensure he had the best path moving forward. And Cochran did all of this while avoiding getting blood on his hands or being seriously targeted at any point. Really, I do have a lot of respect for what Cochran was able to accomplish in Caramoan. BUT it’s impossible for me to truly give him props given the circumstances surrounding the season itself. Cochran played against a weaker group of fans than Parvati OR Tyson, and he was given a weaker selection of favorites that made it easy for him to assume unchecked control of the tribe. Seriously, the Favorites tribe contained a first boot, an unstable Hantz, and PHILLIP. This wasn’t the hardcore cast that Parvati had to beat. So…I can’t really rank Cochran any higher than this. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:876679117] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>@AdmiralZephyr Midpoint ranking time! 17. John Cochran (Survivor: Caramoan) I gave Parvati, Rob and Tyson a ton of shit for winning over a field of newbies, which is a format I find inherently unfair and beneficial to the veteran players. But those three also had the added negative of playing the game in such a way that the ONLY way they could win was going to the finals with the EXACT combination of players they did. In Cochran’s case, I still rank him lowest of his tier (the “questionable winners” tier), but I also think he played a solid enough game that he had other options of who to go to the endgame with. Obviously he blew out Sherri and Dawn, but I think he would have a compelling case against Eddie, Erik, Brenda and MAYBE Andrea. It’s hard not to qualify Cochran as a “leader” given just how much control he had over the season. Whether you think Caramoan was rigged in his favor of not (via the questionable selection of returnees that had personal connections with him), he made the best of that situation and constantly positioned himself in the center of his tribes. Together with Dawn, Cochran had a powerful duo that could direct the vote as he saw fit, picking and choosing when the make moves and when to lay low. They were the swing votes between Francesca/Andrea, the swing votes between Corinne/Sherri, the swing votes between Andrea/Brenda, and the swing votes between Brenda/Eddie. So effectively, Cochran worked with Dawn to ensure he had the best path moving forward. And Cochran did all of this while avoiding getting blood on his hands or being seriously targeted at any point. Really, I do have a lot of respect for what Cochran was able to accomplish in Caramoan. BUT it’s impossible for me to truly give him props given the circumstances surrounding the season itself. Cochran played against a weaker group of fans than Parvati OR Tyson, and he was given a weaker selection of favorites that made it easy for him to assume unchecked control of the tribe. Seriously, the Favorites tribe contained a first boot, an unstable Hantz, and PHILLIP. This wasn’t the hardcore cast that Parvati had to beat. So…I can’t really rank Cochran any higher than this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pokewars 04/06/17 5:36:18 PM #206:	Naye745 posted... people who i think should probably show up soon: ethan, tom, danni. maybe JT? Hell no. He had a stranglehold on that season. --- Best gif you will ever see - http://i.imgur.com/J3cKpQX.gifv <cite>Pokewars posted [p:876680046] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote><cite>Naye745 posted...</cite> <quote>people who i think should probably show up soon: ethan, tom, danni. maybe JT?</quote> Hell no. He had a stranglehold on that season.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 04/06/17 7:34:59 PM #207:	cochran is always underrated, but i think he's pretty good here in the middle of the pack i hope nobody here thinks caramoan was rigged --- http://i.imgur.com/6Lra0Xf.gif http://i.imgur.com/fZbEYu0.gif <cite>Peridiam posted [p:876687228] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>cochran is always underrated, but i think he's pretty good here in the middle of the pack i hope nobody here thinks caramoan was rigged</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/06/17 7:36:55 PM #208:	Peridiam posted... cochran is always underrated, but i think he's pretty good here in the middle of the pack i hope nobody here thinks caramoan was rigged Not so much rigged as the format is inherently unfair to the fans. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:876687347] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peridiam posted...</cite> <quote>cochran is always underrated, but i think he's pretty good here in the middle of the pack i hope nobody here thinks caramoan was rigged</quote> Not so much rigged as the format is inherently unfair to the fans.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 04/06/17 9:53:40 PM #209:	20. John Cochran (Survivor: Caramoan) I think Cochran played a good game given the hand he was dealt. The issue I have is that he was pretty much handed every card in his favor. From the start he was given a former ally and virtually guaranteed partner in Dawn. He was given the most pathetic group of "fans" imaginable. Then we had the Brandon meltdown, which probably got Cochran's biggest enabler, Phillip, a lot further. And the challenges were pretty much designed to be things Cochran was going to able to win. Like, when he won the first one, it was like "Hah, nice, we get to see Cochran of all people win immunity!" But then it started happening on a regular basis when guys like Malcolm and Reynold were around and it was like, wut? Like I really give him props because he took his opportunity and ran with it, and out of all of the winners he is far and away the biggest Survivor fan so I'm really very happy that he got the title. But I rank him below Rob and Parvati because I believe that, in another universe, they COULD have won without the crazy circumstances that had to fall into place to get them the win. Cochran I'm not so sure about. He would have had to really improve his social game (though I guess that's not TOO hard to imagine given that his social game here was a DRASTIC improvement over his social game in South Pacific). --- darkx remembers his friend, GrapefruitKing. RIP :( Games beaten in 2017: 8 (Most recent - Uncharted 4: A Thief's End) <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:876695794] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>20. John Cochran (Survivor: Caramoan) I think Cochran played a good game given the hand he was dealt. The issue I have is that he was pretty much handed every card in his favor. From the start he was given a former ally and virtually guaranteed partner in Dawn. He was given the most pathetic group of "fans" imaginable. Then we had the Brandon meltdown, which probably got Cochran's biggest enabler, Phillip, a lot further. And the challenges were pretty much designed to be things Cochran was going to able to win. Like, when he won the first one, it was like "Hah, nice, we get to see Cochran of all people win immunity!" But then it started happening on a regular basis when guys like Malcolm and Reynold were around and it was like, wut? Like I really give him props because he took his opportunity and ran with it, and out of all of the winners he is far and away the biggest Survivor fan so I'm really very happy that he got the title. But I rank him below Rob and Parvati because I believe that, in another universe, they COULD have won without the crazy circumstances that had to fall into place to get them the win. Cochran I'm not so sure about. He would have had to really improve his social game (though I guess that's not TOO hard to imagine given that his social game here was a DRASTIC improvement over his social game in South Pacific).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/07/17 5:54:11 PM #210:	Top fifteen time @AdmiralZephyr 16. Yul Kwon (Survivor: Cook Islands) It’s almost impossible to rank Yul, because while I think he was smart and sociable and reasonably athletic (generally making him ideal for playing and winning Survivor), Cook Islands as a whole is a tainted season. I would honestly make the same argument regardless of who won from among the Aitu 4, but I think that, aside from MAYBE Parvati, there is not a winner who benefitted more from the specific combination of twists in a given season than Yul Kwon. Again, I’m not saying Yul was a BAD player. Hence why I’m willing to rank him above so many winners that I think weren’t necessarily CLOSE to his skill level. But the circumstances of Cook Islands make it impossible to properly judge his game in that season. First off, let’s talk about the obvious. Cook Islands was extremely fucking rigged. Not specifically for Yul, but this was the big “race war” season for CBS. There’s no way they wanted a white person to win over a cast that was 75% non-white. Yet despite the wishes of production, it took eight boots before a white person got voted out. So naturally, they wanted to protect the dwindling minority population…only for that to completely backfire on them with the mutiny. Suddenly, all the white people reunited and held power on one tribe, while the other tribe could ONLY vote out minorities if they lost. By the time the merge hit, the stats were 10 non-white boots compared to 1 white boot. Fucking astonishing. But production had done everything they could to benefit the pure-minority alliance of Aitu. They boosted the food intake on rewards, they swapped immunity challenges with reward challenges so Ozzy could go beast mode in the water, and they threw in one of the most bullshit twists ever by forcing Raro to vote out two people for a single challenge loss. This gave Yul’s tribe a 5-4 disadvantage that required only one flipped vote, as opposed to a 6-4 disadvantage that would only TIE with a flipped vote. Jonathan flipped at the merge and the rest is history. Yul’s tribe could enact a reverse Pagonging and he was never in any danger. It’s at this point that I also need to point out that Yul was never in danger because he had the fucking God idol that Terry and Tony found. He found it in episode two, on Exile Island, meaning he had an advantage only ONE other person in the game even had a remote CHANCE of gaining. As for the idol itself, Yul could play it after the vote, reducing the stress associated with modern idols, he never needed to worry about getting booted, and it lasted to the final 3. Speaking of which…the shift to a final three meant Yul was literally safe from episode 2 to the finals just on the basis of finding that idol. At no point did Yul need to convince Ozzy to take him to the end, and the players were certainly playing with a final 2 in mind. Were it not for that twist, Ozzy likely wins the final immunity challenge and takes Becky over Yul, giving Becky a win instead of her ally. But the unexpected final 3, combined with the overpowered duration of Yul’s idol, pushed him into the finals, where his admittedly solid social/strategic game swayed the jury in his favor. The rigging and the idol/F3 combo makes Yul’s win questionable however, so I just can’t rank him any higher. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:876751574] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>Top fifteen time @AdmiralZephyr 16. Yul Kwon (Survivor: Cook Islands) It’s almost impossible to rank Yul, because while I think he was smart and sociable and reasonably athletic (generally making him ideal for playing and winning Survivor), Cook Islands as a whole is a tainted season. I would honestly make the same argument regardless of who won from among the Aitu 4, but I think that, aside from MAYBE Parvati, there is not a winner who benefitted more from the specific combination of twists in a given season than Yul Kwon. Again, I’m not saying Yul was a BAD player. Hence why I’m willing to rank him above so many winners that I think weren’t necessarily CLOSE to his skill level. But the circumstances of Cook Islands make it impossible to properly judge his game in that season. First off, let’s talk about the obvious. Cook Islands was extremely fucking rigged. Not specifically for Yul, but this was the big “race war” season for CBS. There’s no way they wanted a white person to win over a cast that was 75% non-white. Yet despite the wishes of production, it took eight boots before a white person got voted out. So naturally, they wanted to protect the dwindling minority population…only for that to completely backfire on them with the mutiny. Suddenly, all the white people reunited and held power on one tribe, while the other tribe could ONLY vote out minorities if they lost. By the time the merge hit, the stats were 10 non-white boots compared to 1 white boot. Fucking astonishing. But production had done everything they could to benefit the pure-minority alliance of Aitu. They boosted the food intake on rewards, they swapped immunity challenges with reward challenges so Ozzy could go beast mode in the water, and they threw in one of the most bullshit twists ever by forcing Raro to vote out two people for a single challenge loss. This gave Yul’s tribe a 5-4 disadvantage that required only one flipped vote, as opposed to a 6-4 disadvantage that would only TIE with a flipped vote. Jonathan flipped at the merge and the rest is history. Yul’s tribe could enact a reverse Pagonging and he was never in any danger. It’s at this point that I also need to point out that Yul was never in danger because he had the fucking God idol that Terry and Tony found. He found it in episode two, on Exile Island, meaning he had an advantage only ONE other person in the game even had a remote CHANCE of gaining. As for the idol itself, Yul could play it after the vote, reducing the stress associated with modern idols, he never needed to worry about getting booted, and it lasted to the final 3. Speaking of which…the shift to a final three meant Yul was literally safe from episode 2 to the finals just on the basis of finding that idol. At no point did Yul need to convince Ozzy to take him to the end, and the players were certainly playing with a final 2 in mind. Were it not for that twist, Ozzy likely wins the final immunity challenge and takes Becky over Yul, giving Becky a win instead of her ally. But the unexpected final 3, combined with the overpowered duration of Yul’s idol, pushed him into the finals, where his admittedly solid social/strategic game swayed the jury in his favor. The rigging and the idol/F3 combo makes Yul’s win questionable however, so I just can’t rank him any higher.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bwburke94 04/07/17 6:58:21 PM #211:	Actually, that leads into a good question. Who wins Ozzy/Becky F2 with a 10-person jury? --- I have a signature now. Signatures are cool. <cite>bwburke94 posted [p:876755069] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>Actually, that leads into a good question. Who wins Ozzy/Becky F2 with a 10-person jury?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/07/17 7:03:23 PM #212:	bwburke94 posted... Actually, that leads into a good question. Who wins Ozzy/Becky F2 with a 10-person jury? In that scenario, I imagine they don't use a 10-person jury. They reduce it to 7. Nate votes Ozzy, Candice votes Becky, Jonathan votes Becky, Parvati votes Ozzy, Adam votes Ozzy, Yul votes Becky, and it comes down to Sundra deciding the vote. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:876755341] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote><cite>bwburke94 posted...</cite> <quote>Actually, that leads into a good question. Who wins Ozzy/Becky F2 with a 10-person jury?</quote> In that scenario, I imagine they don't use a 10-person jury. They reduce it to 7. Nate votes Ozzy, Candice votes Becky, Jonathan votes Becky, Parvati votes Ozzy, Adam votes Ozzy, Yul votes Becky, and it comes down to Sundra deciding the vote.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bwburke94 04/07/17 7:06:34 PM #213:	Inviso posted... bwburke94 posted... Actually, that leads into a good question. Who wins Ozzy/Becky F2 with a 10-person jury? In that scenario, I imagine they don't use a 10-person jury. They reduce it to 7. Nate votes Ozzy, Candice votes Becky, Jonathan votes Becky, Parvati votes Ozzy, Adam votes Ozzy, Yul votes Becky, and it comes down to Sundra deciding the vote. What if the jury's 9? How do Rebecca and Jenny affect things? --- I have a signature now. Signatures are cool. <cite>bwburke94 posted [p:876755548] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote><cite>Inviso posted...</cite> <quote><cite>bwburke94 posted...</cite> <quote>Actually, that leads into a good question. Who wins Ozzy/Becky F2 with a 10-person jury?</quote> In that scenario, I imagine they don't use a 10-person jury. They reduce it to 7. Nate votes Ozzy, Candice votes Becky, Jonathan votes Becky, Parvati votes Ozzy, Adam votes Ozzy, Yul votes Becky, and it comes down to Sundra deciding the vote.</quote> What if the jury's 9? How do Rebecca and Jenny affect things?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/07/17 7:08:52 PM #214:	bwburke94 posted... Inviso posted... bwburke94 posted... Actually, that leads into a good question. Who wins Ozzy/Becky F2 with a 10-person jury? In that scenario, I imagine they don't use a 10-person jury. They reduce it to 7. Nate votes Ozzy, Candice votes Becky, Jonathan votes Becky, Parvati votes Ozzy, Adam votes Ozzy, Yul votes Becky, and it comes down to Sundra deciding the vote. What if the jury's 9? How do Rebecca and Jenny affect things? They swing the vote to Ozzy easily. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:876755661] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote><cite>bwburke94 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Inviso posted...</cite> <quote><cite>bwburke94 posted...</cite> <quote>Actually, that leads into a good question. Who wins Ozzy/Becky F2 with a 10-person jury?</quote> In that scenario, I imagine they don't use a 10-person jury. They reduce it to 7. Nate votes Ozzy, Candice votes Becky, Jonathan votes Becky, Parvati votes Ozzy, Adam votes Ozzy, Yul votes Becky, and it comes down to Sundra deciding the vote.</quote> What if the jury's 9? How do Rebecca and Jenny affect things?</quote> They swing the vote to Ozzy easily.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 04/07/17 11:40:35 PM #215:	14. Yul Kwon (Survivor: Cook Islands) Yul is an extremely smart and diplomatic player who won handily in Cook Islands (and one of the four winners I nailed down in the first episode; Bob is another, and the other two haven't shown up yet) who could have easily won any other season and I would have ranked him much higher. But his win in Cook Islands, while I still think he could have won WITHOUT all the infamous rigging, just feels too dirty, hence his placement directly above the asterisk tier. In addition to the bullshit bottle twist and the producers clearly trying to make the underdog story happen, he held the single most powerful HII that has ever been in the game (it was even more powerful than Terry and Tony's because it was usable up through the final four in a F3 season, meaning it could have been used as a get out of jail free card into the finals which is absolute horseshit). --- darkx remembers his friend, GrapefruitKing. RIP :( Games beaten in 2017: 8 (Most recent - Uncharted 4: A Thief's End) <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:876770413] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>14. Yul Kwon (Survivor: Cook Islands) Yul is an extremely smart and diplomatic player who won handily in Cook Islands (and one of the four winners I nailed down in the first episode; Bob is another, and the other two haven't shown up yet) who could have easily won any other season and I would have ranked him much higher. But his win in Cook Islands, while I still think he could have won WITHOUT all the infamous rigging, just feels too dirty, hence his placement directly above the asterisk tier. In addition to the bullshit bottle twist and the producers clearly trying to make the underdog story happen, he held the single most powerful HII that has ever been in the game (it was even more powerful than Terry and Tony's because it was usable up through the final four in a F3 season, meaning it could have been used as a get out of jail free card into the finals which is absolute horseshit).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 04/07/17 11:41:37 PM #216:	darkx's tier list ??? Tier 1. ??? 2. ??? 3. ??? 4. ??? 5. ??? ??? Tier 6. ??? 7. ??? 8. ??? 9. ??? ??? Tier 10. ??? 11. ??? 12. ??? 13. Brian Heidik (Survivor: Thailand) 14. Yul Kwon (Survivor: Cook Islands) Asterisk Tier 15. Rob Mariano (Survivor: Redemption Island) 16. Parvati Shallow (Survivor: Micronesia) ??? Tier 17. ??? 18. ??? 19. ??? 20. John Cochran (Survivor: Caramoan) 21. Tyson Apostol (Survivor: Blood vs. Water) 22. Sandra Diaz-Twine (Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains) 23. Aras Baskauskas (Survivor: Exile Island) UTR Social Game Tier 24. Amber Brkich (Survivor: All-Stars) 25. Natalie White (Survivor: Samoa) 26. Vecepia Towery (Survivor: Marquesas) 27. Sophie Clarke (Survivor: South Pacific) Still Not Entire Sure How They Won Tier 28. Adam Klein (Survivor: Millennials vs. Gen X) 29. Michele Fitzgerald (Survivor: Kaoh Rong) 30. Mike Holloway (Survivor: Worlds Apart) 31. Judson "Fabio" Birza (Survivor: Nicaragua) 32. Jenna Morasca (Survivor: Amazon) 33. Bob Crowley (Survivor: Gabon) --- darkx remembers his friend, GrapefruitKing. RIP :( Games beaten in 2017: 8 (Most recent - Uncharted 4: A Thief's End) <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:876770463] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>darkx's tier list ??? Tier 1. ??? 2. ??? 3. ??? 4. ??? 5. ??? ??? Tier 6. ??? 7. ??? 8. ??? 9. ??? ??? Tier 10. ??? 11. ??? 12. ??? 13. Brian Heidik (Survivor: Thailand) 14. Yul Kwon (Survivor: Cook Islands) Asterisk Tier 15. Rob Mariano (Survivor: Redemption Island) 16. Parvati Shallow (Survivor: Micronesia) ??? Tier 17. ??? 18. ??? 19. ??? 20. John Cochran (Survivor: Caramoan) 21. Tyson Apostol (Survivor: Blood vs. Water) 22. Sandra Diaz-Twine (Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains) 23. Aras Baskauskas (Survivor: Exile Island) UTR Social Game Tier 24. Amber Brkich (Survivor: All-Stars) 25. Natalie White (Survivor: Samoa) 26. Vecepia Towery (Survivor: Marquesas) 27. Sophie Clarke (Survivor: South Pacific) Still Not Entire Sure How They Won Tier 28. Adam Klein (Survivor: Millennials vs. Gen X) 29. Michele Fitzgerald (Survivor: Kaoh Rong) 30. Mike Holloway (Survivor: Worlds Apart) 31. Judson "Fabio" Birza (Survivor: Nicaragua) 32. Jenna Morasca (Survivor: Amazon) 33. Bob Crowley (Survivor: Gabon)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Naye745 04/08/17 1:51:23 AM #217:	yeah i still like darkx's list better --- it's an underwater adventure ride <cite>Naye745 posted [p:876775819] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>yeah i still like darkx's list better</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/08/17 3:55:57 PM #218:	15. Tony Vlachos (Survivor: Cagayan) Honestly, Tony should PROBABLY be down in the “beat the only endgame combination he could” category. BUT by sheer virtue of the season having an unexpected final 2, I have to admit he would’ve beaten Kass OR Woo, and more than likely makes the final two in any scenario. So I moved him up to a higher tier accordingly. I won’t overrate him or anything; he’s still closer to the bottom of this tier than anything else…but I’ll give him some well-deserved props for managing to accomplish the feats that he did. Tony was definitely in a leadership position throughout Cagayan, despite being a bit paranoid and crazy at times. I think we can all agree that without Trish, he’s nowhere near as successful because she was his social game, and she managed to smooth over a lot of the damage he did throughout the post-merge. Still, I think Tony made some very good moves, flipped when he needed to, and got out the exact players he needed at the exact times he needed. A mistimed immunity win could’ve fucked him over, sure, but he still did a damn good job most of the time. Getting rid of Morgan endeared him to the minority while it also kept a trio of threats in the game that needed to be focused upon before the target would shift to himself. Booting LJ prevented another alpha male from swooping in and taking control, and booting Jefra eliminated a perceived goat. While these two decisions pissed off his allies, Tony created a situation where they had no other options than to stick with him while he trimmed out the biggest threats to his own dominance. And he even allowed Trish to go when needed, getting rid of the person who could claim a lot of credit for his success. Again, I mentioned that Tony could only win a final three against Kass/Woo, which is the set-up he tried for. That hurts him in my eyes because it exposes the flaws of his ultra-strategic game and comparatively weak social game. Still, he played a solid enough game to get Woo to pull a Colby and take him to the end over a slam dunk victory in Kass, so I give him credit (also, it’s decisions like these that emphasize why the fuck we need final twos over stupid fucking final threes.) It balances out a little bit in that regard. Also, I dislike the Tyler Perry idol in general. I think it created too much comfort by removing the very paranoia surrounding playing an idol in the first place. So yeah, Tony’s a fun player to watch and he made good moves, but I think he was fortunate things shook out the way they did. If there’d been a final three in Cagayan and anyone outside of the Kass/Woo/Tony trio made the endgame, I think he loses and people call him just another Russell. I don’t think he’s anywhere near that bad, but he would be viewed far less favorably than he is now. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:876804887] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>15. Tony Vlachos (Survivor: Cagayan) Honestly, Tony should PROBABLY be down in the “beat the only endgame combination he could” category. BUT by sheer virtue of the season having an unexpected final 2, I have to admit he would’ve beaten Kass OR Woo, and more than likely makes the final two in any scenario. So I moved him up to a higher tier accordingly. I won’t overrate him or anything; he’s still closer to the bottom of this tier than anything else…but I’ll give him some well-deserved props for managing to accomplish the feats that he did. Tony was definitely in a leadership position throughout Cagayan, despite being a bit paranoid and crazy at times. I think we can all agree that without Trish, he’s nowhere near as successful because she was his social game, and she managed to smooth over a lot of the damage he did throughout the post-merge. Still, I think Tony made some very good moves, flipped when he needed to, and got out the exact players he needed at the exact times he needed. A mistimed immunity win could’ve fucked him over, sure, but he still did a damn good job most of the time. Getting rid of Morgan endeared him to the minority while it also kept a trio of threats in the game that needed to be focused upon before the target would shift to himself. Booting LJ prevented another alpha male from swooping in and taking control, and booting Jefra eliminated a perceived goat. While these two decisions pissed off his allies, Tony created a situation where they had no other options than to stick with him while he trimmed out the biggest threats to his own dominance. And he even allowed Trish to go when needed, getting rid of the person who could claim a lot of credit for his success. Again, I mentioned that Tony could only win a final three against Kass/Woo, which is the set-up he tried for. That hurts him in my eyes because it exposes the flaws of his ultra-strategic game and comparatively weak social game. Still, he played a solid enough game to get Woo to pull a Colby and take him to the end over a slam dunk victory in Kass, so I give him credit (also, it’s decisions like these that emphasize why the fuck we need final twos over stupid fucking final threes.) It balances out a little bit in that regard. Also, I dislike the Tyler Perry idol in general. I think it created too much comfort by removing the very paranoia surrounding playing an idol in the first place. So yeah, Tony’s a fun player to watch and he made good moves, but I think he was fortunate things shook out the way they did. If there’d been a final three in Cagayan and anyone outside of the Kass/Woo/Tony trio made the endgame, I think he loses and people call him just another Russell. I don’t think he’s anywhere near that bad, but he would be viewed far less favorably than he is now.</quote> ... 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Inviso 04/08/17 3:56:49 PM #219:	INVISO'S LIST ??? TIER: 1. ??? 2. ??? 3. ??? 4. ??? 5. ??? ??? TIER: 6. ??? 7. ??? 8. ??? 9. ??? 10. ??? ??? TIER: 11. ??? 12. ??? 13. ??? 14. ??? 15. Tony Vlachos (Cagayan) 16. Yul Kwon (Cook Islands) 17. John Cochran (Caramoan) ONE IN A MILLION TIER: 18. Vecepia Towery (Marquesas) 19. Aras Baskauskas (Exile Island) 20. Brian Heidik (Thailand) 21. Tyson Apostol (Blood vs. Water) 22. Rob Mariano (Redemption Island) 23. Parvati Shallow (Micronesia) 24. Adam Klein (Millennials vs. Gen X) "BITTER JURY" TIER: 25. Natalie White (Samoa) 26. Sandra Diaz-Twine (Heroes vs. Villains) 27. Sophie Clarke (South Pacific) 28. Amber Brkich (All-Stars) SEMI CHALLENGE WHORE TIER: 29. Jenna Morasca (Amazon) 30. Michele Fitzgerald (Kaoh Rong) PURE CHALLENGE WHORE TIER: 31. Bob Crowley (Gabon) 32. Judson "Fabio" Birza (Nicaragua) 33. Mike Holloway (Worlds Apart) --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:876804932] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>INVISO'S LIST ??? TIER: 1. ??? 2. ??? 3. ??? 4. ??? 5. ??? ??? TIER: 6. ??? 7. ??? 8. ??? 9. ??? 10. ??? ??? TIER: 11. ??? 12. ??? 13. ??? 14. ??? 15. Tony Vlachos (Cagayan) 16. Yul Kwon (Cook Islands) 17. John Cochran (Caramoan) ONE IN A MILLION TIER: 18. Vecepia Towery (Marquesas) 19. Aras Baskauskas (Exile Island) 20. Brian Heidik (Thailand) 21. Tyson Apostol (Blood vs. Water) 22. Rob Mariano (Redemption Island) 23. Parvati Shallow (Micronesia) 24. Adam Klein (Millennials vs. Gen X) "BITTER JURY" TIER: 25. Natalie White (Samoa) 26. Sandra Diaz-Twine (Heroes vs. Villains) 27. Sophie Clarke (South Pacific) 28. Amber Brkich (All-Stars) SEMI CHALLENGE WHORE TIER: 29. Jenna Morasca (Amazon) 30. Michele Fitzgerald (Kaoh Rong) PURE CHALLENGE WHORE TIER: 31. Bob Crowley (Gabon) 32. Judson "Fabio" Birza (Nicaragua) 33. Mike Holloway (Worlds Apart)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 04/08/17 4:11:48 PM #220:	10. Tony Vlachos (Survivor: Cagayan) I've always called Tony a "high risk, high reward" player. There are a ton of points in the game where he could have lost, including at the finals, but things worked out for him, some of them within his control, and some of them not. He made big, bold moves and wasn't shy about being all-up-in-your-face about it either. That right there could have lost him the jury vote on most seasons. But some of the stuff he was able to pull off, like keeping Spencer and Tasha around long enough to be useful to his game and then getting them out at the very last chance, finding the Super Idol that Probst admitted he didn't expect anyone to find, and turning the vote on the swing vote and having it pay off, was all top-tier gameplay. He played an amazing strategic game and deserved the win completely, but the nature of that style of play just left way too many spots where he got very lucky it didn't all crumble around him, and his performance this season proves it. --- darkx remembers his friend, GrapefruitKing. RIP :( Games beaten in 2017: 8 (Most recent - Uncharted 4: A Thief's End) <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:876805686] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>10. Tony Vlachos (Survivor: Cagayan) I've always called Tony a "high risk, high reward" player. There are a ton of points in the game where he could have lost, including at the finals, but things worked out for him, some of them within his control, and some of them not. He made big, bold moves and wasn't shy about being all-up-in-your-face about it either. That right there could have lost him the jury vote on most seasons. But some of the stuff he was able to pull off, like keeping Spencer and Tasha around long enough to be useful to his game and then getting them out at the very last chance, finding the Super Idol that Probst admitted he didn't expect anyone to find, and turning the vote on the swing vote and having it pay off, was all top-tier gameplay. He played an amazing strategic game and deserved the win completely, but the nature of that style of play just left way too many spots where he got very lucky it didn't all crumble around him, and his performance this season proves it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 04/08/17 4:13:24 PM #221:	darkx's tier list ??? Tier 1. ??? 2. ??? 3. ??? 4. ??? 5. ??? ??? Tier 6. ??? 7. ??? 8. ??? 9. ??? ??? Tier 10. Tony Vlachos (Survivor: Cagayan) 11. ??? 12. ??? 13. Brian Heidik (Survivor: Thailand) 14. Yul Kwon (Survivor: Cook Islands) Asterisk Tier 15. Rob Mariano (Survivor: Redemption Island) 16. Parvati Shallow (Survivor: Micronesia) ??? Tier 17. ??? 18. ??? 19. ??? 20. John Cochran (Survivor: Caramoan) 21. Tyson Apostol (Survivor: Blood vs. Water) 22. Sandra Diaz-Twine (Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains) 23. Aras Baskauskas (Survivor: Exile Island) UTR Social Game Tier 24. Amber Brkich (Survivor: All-Stars) 25. Natalie White (Survivor: Samoa) 26. Vecepia Towery (Survivor: Marquesas) 27. Sophie Clarke (Survivor: South Pacific) Still Not Entire Sure How They Won Tier 28. Adam Klein (Survivor: Millennials vs. Gen X) 29. Michele Fitzgerald (Survivor: Kaoh Rong) 30. Mike Holloway (Survivor: Worlds Apart) 31. Judson "Fabio" Birza (Survivor: Nicaragua) 32. Jenna Morasca (Survivor: Amazon) 33. Bob Crowley (Survivor: Gabon) --- darkx remembers his friend, GrapefruitKing. RIP :( Games beaten in 2017: 8 (Most recent - Uncharted 4: A Thief's End) <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:876805762] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>darkx's tier list ??? Tier 1. ??? 2. ??? 3. ??? 4. ??? 5. ??? ??? Tier 6. ??? 7. ??? 8. ??? 9. ??? ??? Tier 10. Tony Vlachos (Survivor: Cagayan) 11. ??? 12. ??? 13. Brian Heidik (Survivor: Thailand) 14. Yul Kwon (Survivor: Cook Islands) Asterisk Tier 15. Rob Mariano (Survivor: Redemption Island) 16. Parvati Shallow (Survivor: Micronesia) ??? Tier 17. ??? 18. ??? 19. ??? 20. John Cochran (Survivor: Caramoan) 21. Tyson Apostol (Survivor: Blood vs. Water) 22. Sandra Diaz-Twine (Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains) 23. Aras Baskauskas (Survivor: Exile Island) UTR Social Game Tier 24. Amber Brkich (Survivor: All-Stars) 25. Natalie White (Survivor: Samoa) 26. Vecepia Towery (Survivor: Marquesas) 27. Sophie Clarke (Survivor: South Pacific) Still Not Entire Sure How They Won Tier 28. Adam Klein (Survivor: Millennials vs. Gen X) 29. Michele Fitzgerald (Survivor: Kaoh Rong) 30. Mike Holloway (Survivor: Worlds Apart) 31. Judson "Fabio" Birza (Survivor: Nicaragua) 32. Jenna Morasca (Survivor: Amazon) 33. Bob Crowley (Survivor: Gabon)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/08/17 4:16:11 PM #222:	Average Rankings Thus Far: Tony Vlachos - 12.5 Yul Kwon - 15 Brian Heidik - 16.5 John Cochran - 18.5 Rob Mariano - 18.5 Parvati Shallow - 19.5 Tyson Apostol - 21 Aras Baskauskas - 21 Vecepia Towery - 22 Sandra Diaz-Twine (HvV) - 24 Natalie White - 25 Amber Brkich - 26 Adam Klein - 26 Sophie Clarke - 27 Michele Fitzgerald - 29.5 Jenna Morasca - 30.5 Judson "Fabio" Birza - 31.5 Mike Holloway - 31.5 Bob Crowley - 32 --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:876805903] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>Average Rankings Thus Far: Tony Vlachos - 12.5 Yul Kwon - 15 Brian Heidik - 16.5 John Cochran - 18.5 Rob Mariano - 18.5 Parvati Shallow - 19.5 Tyson Apostol - 21 Aras Baskauskas - 21 Vecepia Towery - 22 Sandra Diaz-Twine (HvV) - 24 Natalie White - 25 Amber Brkich - 26 Adam Klein - 26 Sophie Clarke - 27 Michele Fitzgerald - 29.5 Jenna Morasca - 30.5 Judson "Fabio" Birza - 31.5 Mike Holloway - 31.5 Bob Crowley - 32</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 04/08/17 4:17:05 PM #223:	Who's left: Richard Hatch (Survivor: Borneo) Tina Wesson (Survivor: The Australian Outback) Ethan Zohn (Survivor: Africa) Sandra Diaz-Twine (Survivor: Pearl Islands) Chris Daugherty (Survivor: Vanuatu) Tom Westman (Survivor: Palau) Danni Boatright (Survivor: Guatemala) Earl Cole (Survivor: Fiji) Todd Herzog (Survivor: China) James "J.T." Thomas (Survivor: Tocantins) Kim Spradlin (Survivor: One World) Denise Stapley (Survivor: Philippines) Natalie Anderson (Survivor: San Juan del Sur) Jeremy Collins (Survivor: Cambodia) --- darkx remembers his friend, GrapefruitKing. RIP :( Games beaten in 2017: 8 (Most recent - Uncharted 4: A Thief's End) <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:876805948] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>Who's left: Richard Hatch (Survivor: Borneo) Tina Wesson (Survivor: The Australian Outback) Ethan Zohn (Survivor: Africa) Sandra Diaz-Twine (Survivor: Pearl Islands) Chris Daugherty (Survivor: Vanuatu) Tom Westman (Survivor: Palau) Danni Boatright (Survivor: Guatemala) Earl Cole (Survivor: Fiji) Todd Herzog (Survivor: China) James "J.T." Thomas (Survivor: Tocantins) Kim Spradlin (Survivor: One World) Denise Stapley (Survivor: Philippines) Natalie Anderson (Survivor: San Juan del Sur) Jeremy Collins (Survivor: Cambodia)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JetJaguar 04/08/17 5:46:11 PM #224:	Tony is way too low I still can't comprehend Inviso's reasoning in basically every writeup --- http://imgur.com/OOLyJHx Blue Lives Matter <cite>JetJaguar posted [p:876810250] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>Tony is way too low I still can't comprehend Inviso's reasoning in basically every writeup</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/08/17 6:20:30 PM #225:	JetJaguar posted... Tony is way too low I still can't comprehend Inviso's reasoning in basically every writeup What are you having trouble with? --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:876811937] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote><cite>JetJaguar posted...</cite> <quote>Tony is way too low I still can't comprehend Inviso's reasoning in basically every writeup</quote> What are you having trouble with?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 04/08/17 6:41:37 PM #226:	too many capital words actually your last write-up was pretty good there --- http://i.imgur.com/6Lra0Xf.gif http://i.imgur.com/fZbEYu0.gif <cite>Peridiam posted [p:876812996] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>too many capital words actually your last write-up was pretty good there</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mega Mana 04/08/17 7:04:39 PM #227:	Trying to remember the super idol. Where was that found and how was it played? --- "If you've been in the Rumble all this time, you must be really tired." - Adam Rose to Curtis Axel #SocialOutcasts <cite>Mega Mana posted [p:876814188] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>Trying to remember the super idol. Where was that found and how was it played?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/08/17 7:07:30 PM #228:	Mega Mana posted... Trying to remember the super idol. Where was that found and how was it played? Terry dug it up on Exile Island and kept it in his back pocket all game long, only really needing it at the final 4 when Aras beat him for immunity. Yul found the idol on Exile Island and used it to leverage Jonathan into joining his side at the merge, handing the game to the Aitu 4. Tony dug up an idol that was alluded to and even though it expired at the final 5, he pretended it was good through the final 4 to keep the target off his back and shift it to Woo. None of them actually played it. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:876814354] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mega Mana posted...</cite> <quote>Trying to remember the super idol. Where was that found and how was it played?</quote> Terry dug it up on Exile Island and kept it in his back pocket all game long, only really needing it at the final 4 when Aras beat him for immunity. Yul found the idol on Exile Island and used it to leverage Jonathan into joining his side at the merge, handing the game to the Aitu 4. Tony dug up an idol that was alluded to and even though it expired at the final 5, he pretended it was good through the final 4 to keep the target off his back and shift it to Woo. None of them actually played it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mega Mana 04/08/17 7:40:37 PM #229:	Inviso posted... Mega Mana posted... Trying to remember the super idol. Where was that found and how was it played? Tony dug up an idol that was alluded to and even though it expired at the final 5, he pretended it was good through the final 4 to keep the target off his back and shift it to Woo. None of them actually played it. Was that the one everyone was looking for in the river mud wall, or the one that Woo was looking for/spotted? Just trying to remember why Probst said he didn't expect anyone to find iy. That was a crazy ass season. --- "If you've been in the Rumble all this time, you must be really tired." - Adam Rose to Curtis Axel #SocialOutcasts <cite>Mega Mana posted [p:876816043] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote><cite>Inviso posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mega Mana posted...</cite> <quote>Trying to remember the super idol. Where was that found and how was it played?</quote> Tony dug up an idol that was alluded to and even though it expired at the final 5, he pretended it was good through the final 4 to keep the target off his back and shift it to Woo. None of them actually played it.</quote> Was that the one everyone was looking for in the river mud wall, or the one that Woo was looking for/spotted? Just trying to remember why Probst said he didn't expect anyone to find iy. That was a crazy ass season.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/08/17 7:41:47 PM #230:	Mega Mana posted... Inviso posted... Mega Mana posted... Trying to remember the super idol. Where was that found and how was it played? Tony dug up an idol that was alluded to and even though it expired at the final 5, he pretended it was good through the final 4 to keep the target off his back and shift it to Woo. None of them actually played it. Was that the one everyone was looking for in the river mud wall, or the one that Woo was looking for/spotted? Just trying to remember why Probst said he didn't expect anyone to find iy. That was a crazy ass season. That was the standard idol. Spencer found it and played it at the final 8 when Jeremiah was voted out instead. Tony found another one randomly buried at the foot of a tree. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:876816115] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mega Mana posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Inviso posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mega Mana posted...</cite> <quote>Trying to remember the super idol. Where was that found and how was it played?</quote> Tony dug up an idol that was alluded to and even though it expired at the final 5, he pretended it was good through the final 4 to keep the target off his back and shift it to Woo. None of them actually played it.</quote> Was that the one everyone was looking for in the river mud wall, or the one that Woo was looking for/spotted? Just trying to remember why Probst said he didn't expect anyone to find iy. That was a crazy ass season.</quote> That was the standard idol. Spencer found it and played it at the final 8 when Jeremiah was voted out instead. Tony found another one randomly buried at the foot of a tree.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/08/17 9:20:10 PM #231:	@AdmiralZephyr 14. Tina Wesson (Survivor: Australia) As Survivor’s first female winner, you would think I would respect Tina a lot more than I do…but it’s just difficult for me. Don’t get me wrong; I’m not trashing Tina’s skills or anything like that. I just think that her win, more than any other in Survivor history, has a weird aura about it. People might talk shit about Richard’s game, but the way things shook out in Borneo are pretty standard by modern standards. Even by the time Africa rolled around, Richard’s strategy had been implemented multiple times. But with Tina, I feel like Australia is more of a bizarre outlier than Borneo. The way Australia shook out was in direct response to Borneo, which is something I don’t think ANY other season has had to deal with. That definitely colors Tina’s win. There are two main things that come into play with regards to Tina’s win. First, the idea that Borneo had been too “mean.” Back in the day, the Tagi 4 were loathed by America because the use of alliances was seen as “cheating” that screwed over the beloved Pagong tribe. Alliances weren’t going away, because in a battle for a million dollars, you want to use every tool you can to win…but the cast of Australia seemed to go into the season trying to be good guys. And Tina capitalized on this. More than any season since, Tina played on this idea that the “good people” needed to win Australia to compensate for Richard’s win the first time around. This strategy was key for Tina, since she positioned herself as a “good person.” She got Colby to work with her rather than “evil” Jerri and Amber, and convinced Rodger and Elisabeth to stick with her majority alliance rather than even considering picking up Amber to try and make a move against the Keith/Tina/Colby trio. And I think that this lingering notion of being the “good guy” directly influenced Colby’s decision to take Tina to the finals over an easy win in Keith. I don’t believe that this sort of thinking would’ve taken place in another season; the atmosphere surrounding Australia was just too unique. The other outside aspect that contributed to Tina’s win was the fact that she was female. Again, back in the day, it was discussed that a woman could never win Survivor; a jury wouldn’t reward her. Now…you can kind of apply this to modern Survivor, where a female player has to be ten times as good as a male player (or go to the end with other women) to really stand out. But back in the day, this was a lingering attitude, and I have to wonder whether it had a direct impact on a 4-3 vote in Tina’s favor. Just one vote going the other direction flips this season to a Colby win…and it’s hard to say why exactly a strong, independent woman like Alicia voted Tina. It’s entirely possible Tina won just to stick it to the notion of purely alpha male winners like Richard Hatch. At the end of the day, I think Tina made a TON of great moves to get herself to the finals. Finding out from Kimmi about Varner’s past votes worked to her benefit. Stepping down to give immunity to Keith worked to her benefit. Playing up a “good guy” angle worked to her benefit. Had this worked in a different season, I’d rank her higher. But there’s too many variables at play in Australia for me to say one hundred percent that she’s any higher in my winner ranking. Plus there’s always gonna be that lingering “what-if” of Mike’s medevac tying the game as the tribes went into the merge. There are just a lot of questions, and this is still a high placement…it’s just not one of the absolute STRONGEST winning performances, in my opinion. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:876821544] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>@AdmiralZephyr 14. Tina Wesson (Survivor: Australia) As Survivor’s first female winner, you would think I would respect Tina a lot more than I do…but it’s just difficult for me. Don’t get me wrong; I’m not trashing Tina’s skills or anything like that. I just think that her win, more than any other in Survivor history, has a weird aura about it. People might talk shit about Richard’s game, but the way things shook out in Borneo are pretty standard by modern standards. Even by the time Africa rolled around, Richard’s strategy had been implemented multiple times. But with Tina, I feel like Australia is more of a bizarre outlier than Borneo. The way Australia shook out was in direct response to Borneo, which is something I don’t think ANY other season has had to deal with. That definitely colors Tina’s win. There are two main things that come into play with regards to Tina’s win. First, the idea that Borneo had been too “mean.” Back in the day, the Tagi 4 were loathed by America because the use of alliances was seen as “cheating” that screwed over the beloved Pagong tribe. Alliances weren’t going away, because in a battle for a million dollars, you want to use every tool you can to win…but the cast of Australia seemed to go into the season trying to be good guys. And Tina capitalized on this. More than any season since, Tina played on this idea that the “good people” needed to win Australia to compensate for Richard’s win the first time around. This strategy was key for Tina, since she positioned herself as a “good person.” She got Colby to work with her rather than “evil” Jerri and Amber, and convinced Rodger and Elisabeth to stick with her majority alliance rather than even considering picking up Amber to try and make a move against the Keith/Tina/Colby trio. And I think that this lingering notion of being the “good guy” directly influenced Colby’s decision to take Tina to the finals over an easy win in Keith. I don’t believe that this sort of thinking would’ve taken place in another season; the atmosphere surrounding Australia was just too unique. The other outside aspect that contributed to Tina’s win was the fact that she was female. Again, back in the day, it was discussed that a woman could never win Survivor; a jury wouldn’t reward her. Now…you can kind of apply this to modern Survivor, where a female player has to be ten times as good as a male player (or go to the end with other women) to really stand out. But back in the day, this was a lingering attitude, and I have to wonder whether it had a direct impact on a 4-3 vote in Tina’s favor. Just one vote going the other direction flips this season to a Colby win…and it’s hard to say why exactly a strong, independent woman like Alicia voted Tina. It’s entirely possible Tina won just to stick it to the notion of purely alpha male winners like Richard Hatch. At the end of the day, I think Tina made a TON of great moves to get herself to the finals. Finding out from Kimmi about Varner’s past votes worked to her benefit. Stepping down to give immunity to Keith worked to her benefit. Playing up a “good guy” angle worked to her benefit. Had this worked in a different season, I’d rank her higher. But there’s too many variables at play in Australia for me to say one hundred percent that she’s any higher in my winner ranking. Plus there’s always gonna be that lingering “what-if” of Mike’s medevac tying the game as the tribes went into the merge. There are just a lot of questions, and this is still a high placement…it’s just not one of the absolute STRONGEST winning performances, in my opinion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 04/08/17 9:25:55 PM #232:	And my lowest three remaining continue to survive. 9. Tina Wesson (Survivor: The Australian Outback) Tina was a great follow-up winner to Richard. Like him, she played a very strategic game, but did so in a much quieter fashion so that she was never seriously a target. She got herself out of an early hole by forming a solid duo with Colby that took out the biggest threats to her game like Mitchell and Jeff, found enough of a hole in the Kucha tribe to find out where to place the votes at the merge, and went to the finals while making herself likable enough to both her allies and opponents so much so that when Colby had the choice between taking an easy win in Keith or a 50/50 in Tina to the end, he chose her and she won a million dollars that way. In retrospect I probably underranked Tina by at least three spots. --- darkx remembers his friend, GrapefruitKing. RIP :( Games beaten in 2017: 8 (Most recent - Uncharted 4: A Thief's End) <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:876821918] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>And my lowest three remaining continue to survive. 9. Tina Wesson (Survivor: The Australian Outback) Tina was a great follow-up winner to Richard. Like him, she played a very strategic game, but did so in a much quieter fashion so that she was never seriously a target. She got herself out of an early hole by forming a solid duo with Colby that took out the biggest threats to her game like Mitchell and Jeff, found enough of a hole in the Kucha tribe to find out where to place the votes at the merge, and went to the finals while making herself likable enough to both her allies and opponents so much so that when Colby had the choice between taking an easy win in Keith or a 50/50 in Tina to the end, he chose her and she won a million dollars that way. In retrospect I probably underranked Tina by at least three spots.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 04/08/17 9:28:45 PM #233:	For the record, since I set my list in stone there are two people that I have considered moving up, but haven't just out of integrity of the whole thing. One of them, as I just said, was Tina. The other is my #2 who I have very strongly considered switching out for #1, but again, I won't do that and instead just note that I considered it. --- darkx remembers his friend, GrapefruitKing. RIP :( Games beaten in 2017: 8 (Most recent - Uncharted 4: A Thief's End) <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:876822084] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>For the record, since I set my list in stone there are two people that I have considered moving up, but haven't just out of integrity of the whole thing. One of them, as I just said, was Tina. The other is my #2 who I have very strongly considered switching out for #1, but again, I won't do that and instead just note that I considered it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JetJaguar 04/09/17 1:22:37 AM #234:	I think it's crazy to make Tina's win into a girl power thing when it was literally the second season of the show and a female came within a coin flip (allegedly) of winning the first. I also give a lot more credence to Colby just being a good guy to a fault in her making the final over anything she did. I think basically any older woman would have been brought along by Colby, especially against someone like Keith. I think Colby was the first reality show contestant to realize he was on a national TV show and kind of play up the hero thing. I'm not entirely convinced his reaction to Tina's win was entirely genuine. That kind of play has become an entirely legitimate strategy, as I wouldn't be shocked if Rupert has won more money than any other contestant despite never winning. --- http://imgur.com/OOLyJHx Blue Lives Matter <cite>JetJaguar posted [p:876834198] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>I think it's crazy to make Tina's win into a girl power thing when it was literally the second season of the show and a female came within a coin flip (allegedly) of winning the first. I also give a lot more credence to Colby just being a good guy to a fault in her making the final over anything she did. I think basically any older woman would have been brought along by Colby, especially against someone like Keith. I think Colby was the first reality show contestant to realize he was on a national TV show and kind of play up the hero thing. I'm not entirely convinced his reaction to Tina's win was entirely genuine. That kind of play has become an entirely legitimate strategy, as I wouldn't be shocked if Rupert has won more money than any other contestant despite never winning.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 04/09/17 1:43:02 AM #235:	JetJaguar posted... I wouldn't be shocked if Rupert has won more money than any other contestant despite never winning. Nah, that's easily Sandra. His four consolation prizes don't add up to $1mil. It's probably Sandra > Rupert > Rob, with Parvati a distant fourth; no one else even comes close unless Ozzy or Cirie wins this season, in which case they slip into third. Among non-winners (as of now) it's between Russell and Ozzy. --- darkx remembers his friend, GrapefruitKing. RIP :( Games beaten in 2017: 8 (Most recent - Uncharted 4: A Thief's End) <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:876835014] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote><cite>JetJaguar posted...</cite> <quote>I wouldn't be shocked if Rupert has won more money than any other contestant despite never winning.</quote> Nah, that's easily Sandra. His four consolation prizes don't add up to $1mil. It's probably Sandra > Rupert > Rob, with Parvati a distant fourth; no one else even comes close unless Ozzy or Cirie wins this season, in which case they slip into third. Among non-winners (as of now) it's between Russell and Ozzy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JetJaguar 04/09/17 3:43:31 AM #236:	Didn't he win a couple million for winning America's favorite though? That's what I meant. It definitely pays to be a hero. --- http://imgur.com/OOLyJHx Blue Lives Matter <cite>JetJaguar posted [p:876838714] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>Didn't he win a couple million for winning America's favorite though? That's what I meant. It definitely pays to be a hero.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 04/09/17 3:59:36 AM #237:	America's Favorite was only $1M once IIRC --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:876839056] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>America's Favorite was only $1M once IIRC</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JetJaguar 04/09/17 4:16:47 AM #238:	Ah I thought he won it twice. I think he lost to Russell for HvV though. --- http://imgur.com/OOLyJHx Blue Lives Matter <cite>JetJaguar posted [p:876839466] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>Ah I thought he won it twice. I think he lost to Russell for HvV though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/09/17 8:59:57 AM #239:	JetJaguar posted... I think it's crazy to make Tina's win into a girl power thing when it was literally the second season of the show and a female came within a coin flip (allegedly) of winning the first. I also give a lot more credence to Colby just being a good guy to a fault in her making the final over anything she did. I think basically any older woman would have been brought along by Colby, especially against someone like Keith. I think Colby was the first reality show contestant to realize he was on a national TV show and kind of play up the hero thing. I'm not entirely convinced his reaction to Tina's win was entirely genuine. That kind of play has become an entirely legitimate strategy, as I wouldn't be shocked if Rupert has won more money than any other contestant despite never winning. 1. Kelly was NEVER winning Borneo. That vote was gonna be 6-1 until Sue started tearing into her and insulted Gervase in the process. 2. Girl power WAS a thing back in 2001 when Survivor was brand new and there WAS an undercurrent of thought that, after a perceived asshole (who was really just smug at his worst) like Richard Hatch won, that a man would always win Survivor. Again, given that this vote came down to Alicia (who really had no reason to like or hate either contestant), it's not impossible that she voted based on girl power in the face of this idea. Tina's win as a point in history is just too randomly convenient for me to 100% believe her to be an amazing player. I think she's reasonably smart and manipulative, but I think the circumstances revolving around Australia being an attempt to subvert the negatives of Borneo are the main reason her style of gameplay was able to find success. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:876844913] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote><cite>JetJaguar posted...</cite> <quote>I think it's crazy to make Tina's win into a girl power thing when it was literally the second season of the show and a female came within a coin flip (allegedly) of winning the first. I also give a lot more credence to Colby just being a good guy to a fault in her making the final over anything she did. I think basically any older woman would have been brought along by Colby, especially against someone like Keith. I think Colby was the first reality show contestant to realize he was on a national TV show and kind of play up the hero thing. I'm not entirely convinced his reaction to Tina's win was entirely genuine. That kind of play has become an entirely legitimate strategy, as I wouldn't be shocked if Rupert has won more money than any other contestant despite never winning.</quote> 1. Kelly was NEVER winning Borneo. That vote was gonna be 6-1 until Sue started tearing into her and insulted Gervase in the process. 2. Girl power WAS a thing back in 2001 when Survivor was brand new and there WAS an undercurrent of thought that, after a perceived asshole (who was really just smug at his worst) like Richard Hatch won, that a man would always win Survivor. Again, given that this vote came down to Alicia (who really had no reason to like or hate either contestant), it's not impossible that she voted based on girl power in the face of this idea. Tina's win as a point in history is just too randomly convenient for me to 100% believe her to be an amazing player. I think she's reasonably smart and manipulative, but I think the circumstances revolving around Australia being an attempt to subvert the negatives of Borneo are the main reason her style of gameplay was able to find success.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xeybozn 04/09/17 11:40:01 AM #240:	It doesn't really seem fair to downplay Tina's win just because her strategy wouldn't have worked as well in other seasons. A lot of winners would have done poorly if they played their winning strategy in a different era of the show. --- Congrats to 2015 Guru champ DpObliVion <cite>Xeybozn posted [p:876850429] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>It doesn't really seem fair to downplay Tina's win just because her strategy wouldn't have worked as well in other seasons. A lot of winners would have done poorly if they played their winning strategy in a different era of the show.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/09/17 11:41:22 AM #241:	Again, we're comparing winners here. Tina's win is specifically less impressive to me because it's one of those rare instances in which her strategy would result in a win. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:876850509] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>Again, we're comparing winners here. Tina's win is specifically less impressive to me because it's one of those rare instances in which her strategy would result in a win.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xeybozn 04/09/17 12:00:03 PM #242:	That's fair. I think Tina's game could have worked on any of the early seasons, but the timing of Australia definitely helped her even more. --- Congrats to 2015 Guru champ DpObliVion <cite>Xeybozn posted [p:876851304] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>That's fair. I think Tina's game could have worked on any of the early seasons, but the timing of Australia definitely helped her even more.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Surskit 04/09/17 2:41:37 PM #243:	Reading the room and using the precise strategy (and picking the right minion in Colby) is what makes a good winner. It wasn't like Cochran who favored from the circumstances set up by production; Tina did what she did because she realized she had to do it, and she did it flawlessly. I think Tina as a winner is criminally underrated, especially when people say it's all because of Colby's mistake. Yes it is, but she manipulated him into it and selected him as part of her trio specifically because of Colby's good people mentality. Tony did the same with Woo, and people can speculate Adam did the same to make Ken drop David. Knocking Tina down because of the "good guys" mentality as a result of Borneo is like knocking a modern winner for propagating the idea of big moves and playing da gaem. The way Tina controlled the game from beginning to end without ever being in-your-face, and without ever being in any danger whatsoever, is impressive. It's a perfect behind the scenes game imo. --- .-#Elements of Water#-. <cite>Surskit posted [p:876859254] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>Reading the room and using the precise strategy (and picking the right minion in Colby) is what makes a good winner. It wasn't like Cochran who favored from the circumstances set up by production; Tina did what she did because she realized she had to do it, and she did it flawlessly. I think Tina as a winner is criminally underrated, especially when people say it's all because of Colby's mistake. Yes it is, but she manipulated him into it and selected him as part of her trio specifically because of Colby's good people mentality. Tony did the same with Woo, and people can speculate Adam did the same to make Ken drop David. Knocking Tina down because of the "good guys" mentality as a result of Borneo is like knocking a modern winner for propagating the idea of big moves and playing da gaem. The way Tina controlled the game from beginning to end without ever being in-your-face, and without ever being in any danger whatsoever, is impressive. It's a perfect behind the scenes game imo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/09/17 2:43:05 PM #244:	I never detract from Tina for manipulating Colby properly. I just find her win less impressive than 13 other people's win. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:876859332] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>I never detract from Tina for manipulating Colby properly. I just find her win less impressive than 13 other people's win.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/09/17 7:53:39 PM #245:	@AdmiralZephyr 13. James “J.T.” Thomas, Jr. (Survivor: Tocantins) Admittedly, J.T.’s disastrous performance in Heroes vs. Villains has tainted my opinions on him as a player…but also admittedly, I already had slightly tainted opinions even back when he won in Tocantins. I think it’s pretty clear that Stephen did most of the strategic heavy lifting for the duo and J.T. just happened to benefit from Stephen’s actions by having the southern charm to woo the jury in his favor. Still, J.T. was the first ever “perfect game” in Survivor history (given that Tijuana fucked Sandra, Coby fucked Tom, and Rita fucked Earl), so it’s hard to argue that he was, at the very least, a great player in Tocantins. Before I get into the positives of J.T.’s game, I just want to add one more negative that explains his placement outside of what I’d consider my top tier of winners. Pagongings are easier to navigate than your more chaotic seasons. You set the opposing tribe or opposing alliance as the enemy, and you pick them off until they’re all gone. THEN you start cannibalizing your own allies. But in a normal Pagonging, you’re coming from a position of power, either by having equal numbers and winning a tiebreaker, or by starting out with a numerical majority. In those situations, by the time a Pagonging is complete, there’s still multiple opportunities to eliminate the threats within your own ranks. In a reverse Pagonging however, you have a tribe or alliance that is woefully outnumbered by the opposition. And if they successfully manage to flip things around against the majority, that’s a LOT of people that have to go home before you look inward at your own allies. J.T. was admittedly a huge threat in Tocantins, but Timbira had a 2-1 advantage over Jalapao by the final 9, and there was never a point when it was safe to take out a Jalapao over a Timbira until the endgame, when J.T. could win immunity after immunity after immunity and guarantee himself a spot in the finals. Stephen knew he needed to take out the golden boy, but doing so early would’ve been a situation where you make a big move just to make on, and it hurts your game. So yeah, J.T. actually benefitted from entering the merge down in numbers, in this case. That being said, part of the reason why the reverse Pagonging was able to occur was because J.T. was so likable and personable. Sure, Timbira was a powder keg waiting to explode, but J.T. managed to sway Coach (and thus Coach’s alliance) to his side, and then swayed Brendan (and thus Brendan’s alliance) to his side. Without J.T.’s presence, I don’t know if Timbira willingly turns against each other so early. Hell, from that point on, it was never “Hey, maybe we should band together against the Jalapaos,” but instead “fuck this other member of Timbira!” J.T.’s likable personality brought that mentality to life. And the jury ABSOLUTELY loved him and rewarded him with a unanimous victory over Stephen. I HAVE to give him credit for that. All that being said, while I think J.T. certainly deserved his win and his winsome personality got the Timbiras to love him in the first place…I still think he NEEDED Stephen to facilitate their implosion. If Sierra gets booted at 8 as was the original plan, I don’t know if Timbira would’ve continued self-destructing at that point, especially without Stephen continuing to hold Erinn close as a pocket ally. The point is that J.T. worked best as the friendly face of a strategic duo and won his way to the end rather than getting cut (like Trish with Tony.) He deserved his unanimous win, but I don’t think he’s a GREAT player. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:876875772] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>@AdmiralZephyr 13. James “J.T.” Thomas, Jr. (Survivor: Tocantins) Admittedly, J.T.’s disastrous performance in Heroes vs. Villains has tainted my opinions on him as a player…but also admittedly, I already had slightly tainted opinions even back when he won in Tocantins. I think it’s pretty clear that Stephen did most of the strategic heavy lifting for the duo and J.T. just happened to benefit from Stephen’s actions by having the southern charm to woo the jury in his favor. Still, J.T. was the first ever “perfect game” in Survivor history (given that Tijuana fucked Sandra, Coby fucked Tom, and Rita fucked Earl), so it’s hard to argue that he was, at the very least, a great player in Tocantins. Before I get into the positives of J.T.’s game, I just want to add one more negative that explains his placement outside of what I’d consider my top tier of winners. Pagongings are easier to navigate than your more chaotic seasons. You set the opposing tribe or opposing alliance as the enemy, and you pick them off until they’re all gone. THEN you start cannibalizing your own allies. But in a normal Pagonging, you’re coming from a position of power, either by having equal numbers and winning a tiebreaker, or by starting out with a numerical majority. In those situations, by the time a Pagonging is complete, there’s still multiple opportunities to eliminate the threats within your own ranks. In a reverse Pagonging however, you have a tribe or alliance that is woefully outnumbered by the opposition. And if they successfully manage to flip things around against the majority, that’s a LOT of people that have to go home before you look inward at your own allies. J.T. was admittedly a huge threat in Tocantins, but Timbira had a 2-1 advantage over Jalapao by the final 9, and there was never a point when it was safe to take out a Jalapao over a Timbira until the endgame, when J.T. could win immunity after immunity after immunity and guarantee himself a spot in the finals. Stephen knew he needed to take out the golden boy, but doing so early would’ve been a situation where you make a big move just to make on, and it hurts your game. So yeah, J.T. actually benefitted from entering the merge down in numbers, in this case. That being said, part of the reason why the reverse Pagonging was able to occur was because J.T. was so likable and personable. Sure, Timbira was a powder keg waiting to explode, but J.T. managed to sway Coach (and thus Coach’s alliance) to his side, and then swayed Brendan (and thus Brendan’s alliance) to his side. Without J.T.’s presence, I don’t know if Timbira willingly turns against each other so early. Hell, from that point on, it was never “Hey, maybe we should band together against the Jalapaos,” but instead “fuck this other member of Timbira!” J.T.’s likable personality brought that mentality to life. And the jury ABSOLUTELY loved him and rewarded him with a unanimous victory over Stephen. I HAVE to give him credit for that. All that being said, while I think J.T. certainly deserved his win and his winsome personality got the Timbiras to love him in the first place…I still think he NEEDED Stephen to facilitate their implosion. If Sierra gets booted at 8 as was the original plan, I don’t know if Timbira would’ve continued self-destructing at that point, especially without Stephen continuing to hold Erinn close as a pocket ally. The point is that J.T. worked best as the friendly face of a strategic duo and won his way to the end rather than getting cut (like Trish with Tony.) He deserved his unanimous win, but I don’t think he’s a GREAT player.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 04/09/17 10:16:14 PM #246:	19. James "J.T." Thomas, Jr. (Survivor: Tocantins) Sometimes I even forget J.T. is a winner due to what he did in Heroes vs. Villains. But besides that, his run in Tocantins was largely the "everyone loves J.T." show (and by that I mean it seemed like there were people who were literally playing for J.T. to win), combined with winning a few critical challenges at the end (there's NO WAY Stephen or Erinn bring him to the end should one of them have won the final immunity). I mean, he must have done SOMETHING right having won a unanimous jury vote, but I feel like most of his run was largely the doings of others. --- darkx remembers his friend, GrapefruitKing. RIP :( Games beaten in 2017: 8 (Most recent - Uncharted 4: A Thief's End) <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:876884111] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>19. James "J.T." Thomas, Jr. (Survivor: Tocantins) Sometimes I even forget J.T. is a winner due to what he did in Heroes vs. Villains. But besides that, his run in Tocantins was largely the "everyone loves J.T." show (and by that I mean it seemed like there were people who were literally playing for J.T. to win), combined with winning a few critical challenges at the end (there's NO WAY Stephen or Erinn bring him to the end should one of them have won the final immunity). I mean, he must have done SOMETHING right having won a unanimous jury vote, but I feel like most of his run was largely the doings of others.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 04/09/17 10:18:06 PM #247:	darkx's tier list ??? Tier 1. ??? 2. ??? 3. ??? 4. ??? 5. ??? ??? Tier 6. ??? 7. ??? 8. ??? 9. Tina Wesson (Survivor: The Australian Outback) ??? Tier 10. Tony Vlachos (Survivor: Cagayan) 11. ??? 12. ??? 13. Brian Heidik (Survivor: Thailand) 14. Yul Kwon (Survivor: Cook Islands) Asterisk Tier 15. Rob Mariano (Survivor: Redemption Island) 16. Parvati Shallow (Survivor: Micronesia) ??? Tier 17. ??? 18. ??? 19. James "J.T." Thomas, Jr. (Survivor: Tocantins) 20. John Cochran (Survivor: Caramoan) 21. Tyson Apostol (Survivor: Blood vs. Water) 22. Sandra Diaz-Twine (Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains) 23. Aras Baskauskas (Survivor: Exile Island) UTR Social Game Tier 24. Amber Brkich (Survivor: All-Stars) 25. Natalie White (Survivor: Samoa) 26. Vecepia Towery (Survivor: Marquesas) 27. Sophie Clarke (Survivor: South Pacific) Still Not Entirely Sure How They Won Tier 28. Adam Klein (Survivor: Millennials vs. Gen X) 29. Michele Fitzgerald (Survivor: Kaoh Rong) 30. Mike Holloway (Survivor: Worlds Apart) 31. Judson "Fabio" Birza (Survivor: Nicaragua) 32. Jenna Morasca (Survivor: Amazon) 33. Bob Crowley (Survivor: Gabon) --- darkx remembers his friend, GrapefruitKing. RIP :( Games beaten in 2017: 8 (Most recent - Uncharted 4: A Thief's End) <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:876884210] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>darkx's tier list ??? Tier 1. ??? 2. ??? 3. ??? 4. ??? 5. ??? ??? Tier 6. ??? 7. ??? 8. ??? 9. Tina Wesson (Survivor: The Australian Outback) ??? Tier 10. Tony Vlachos (Survivor: Cagayan) 11. ??? 12. ??? 13. Brian Heidik (Survivor: Thailand) 14. Yul Kwon (Survivor: Cook Islands) Asterisk Tier 15. Rob Mariano (Survivor: Redemption Island) 16. Parvati Shallow (Survivor: Micronesia) ??? Tier 17. ??? 18. ??? 19. James "J.T." Thomas, Jr. (Survivor: Tocantins) 20. John Cochran (Survivor: Caramoan) 21. Tyson Apostol (Survivor: Blood vs. Water) 22. Sandra Diaz-Twine (Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains) 23. Aras Baskauskas (Survivor: Exile Island) UTR Social Game Tier 24. Amber Brkich (Survivor: All-Stars) 25. Natalie White (Survivor: Samoa) 26. Vecepia Towery (Survivor: Marquesas) 27. Sophie Clarke (Survivor: South Pacific) Still Not Entirely Sure How They Won Tier 28. Adam Klein (Survivor: Millennials vs. Gen X) 29. Michele Fitzgerald (Survivor: Kaoh Rong) 30. Mike Holloway (Survivor: Worlds Apart) 31. Judson "Fabio" Birza (Survivor: Nicaragua) 32. Jenna Morasca (Survivor: Amazon) 33. Bob Crowley (Survivor: Gabon)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/09/17 10:23:20 PM #248:	I should point out that my write-up was written BEFORE the massive fuck-ups of Game Changers. Doesn't change my opinion on J.T.'s winning season, but holy shit regardless. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:876884468] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>I should point out that my write-up was written BEFORE the massive fuck-ups of Game Changers. Doesn't change my opinion on J.T.'s winning season, but holy shit regardless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eaedwards6400 04/10/17 8:53:35 AM #249:	Stephen and JT both kind of proved that they needed each other. JT even admitted this in his pregame press for Game Changers. The one thing that tops JT off is his ability to complete bury Stephen at final tribal council. He took a jury that liked him and buried his buddy so that anyone who was on the fence wouldn't even think about going against him. I love JT. Small part of me wishes he never came back and I think the reason he has done so badly in his returns is because he already won and really had nothing to lose. --- Cheer, Cheer for Old Notre Dame! GO VOTE FOR UCA! ~Join B8 on TEW!~ http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9339/7vke.jpg <cite>eaedwards6400 posted [p:876903680] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>Stephen and JT both kind of proved that they needed each other. JT even admitted this in his pregame press for Game Changers. The one thing that tops JT off is his ability to complete bury Stephen at final tribal council. He took a jury that liked him and buried his buddy so that anyone who was on the fence wouldn't even think about going against him. I love JT. Small part of me wishes he never came back and I think the reason he has done so badly in his returns is because he already won and really had nothing to lose.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/10/17 5:15:57 PM #250:	I think the reason J.T. has done so poorly is because the whole of the internet credited Stephen for J.T.'s win and J.T. has felt an intense need to prove himself a strong player because he feels his own victory is "illegitimate" in the eyes of the fans. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:876931518] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>I think the reason J.T. has done so poorly is because the whole of the internet credited Stephen for J.T.'s win and J.T. has felt an intense need to prove himself a strong player because he feels his own victory is "illegitimate" in the eyes of the fans.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 04/10/17 8:11:31 PM #251:	i wouldn't be surprised if JT doesn't care what the internet thinks i think he just likes to play really sneaky --- http://i.imgur.com/6Lra0Xf.gif http://i.imgur.com/fZbEYu0.gif <cite>Peridiam posted [p:876942362] in Inviso and... [t:75145500]...</cite> <quote>i wouldn't be surprised if JT doesn't care what the internet thinks i think he just likes to play really sneaky</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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