Board 8 > Women are increasingly rejecting feminism

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Here's an example:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1021293/How-mothers-fanatical-feminist-views-tore-apart-daughter-The-Color-Purple-author.html

This is the daughter of the author of the Color Purple, one of the foremost feminists of the literary world.

Interesting read.

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Unironically linking to the Daily Mail.

Oh, B8.

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"Women are increasingly rejecting feminism"

"here's an article about one woman that rejects radical feminism guys enjoy"




who am I kidding this will get 200+ posts anyway

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From: NeoElfboy | #003

Unironically linking to the Daily Mail.

Oh, B8.

This.

The worst part is, this isn't even the first time I've seen that done here. In fact, it's at least the third.

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From: NeoElfboy | #003

Unironically linking to the Daily Mail.

Oh, B8.

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From: VincentLauw | #002

"Women are increasingly rejecting feminism"

"here's an article about one woman that rejects radical feminism guys enjoy"




who am I kidding this will get 200+ posts anyway

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So I've never heard about The Daily Mail before. What's that story about that?

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Basically the British equivalent of someone linking to the Fox News website. To sum it up in simple terms anyway.

It's a reactionary, right wing, racist, xenophobic, nationalistic, homophobic, and most importantly unreliable tabloid paper. But hey, at least it isn't the Daily Express! That one would try to spin Alice Walker as having been responsible for the death of Princess Diana.

Seriously, in British culture the paper is often nicknamed the "Daily Fail" and "Daily Mail reader" can even be used as an insult. That is how bad this paper is.

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You guys should be more open-minded about close-mindedness, IMO.

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Did she really name her kid after a Legend of Korra character?

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foolmor0n posted...

Did she really name her kid after a Legend of Korra character?

Picked the wrong one, IMO. Pabu 4 life

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He's over three years old, so probably not.

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From: NeoElfboy | #003

Unironically linking to the Daily Mail.

Oh, B8.

Having never been to the UK, I ask two questions:

1) Do you have examples for its unreliability, and
2) what is it about this article in particular that is so objectionable, other than it coming from a previously unreliable source? The daughter wrote the article herself.

From: thundersheep | #004

Ugh.

I know you to have a good head on your shoulders. What is it that you support about feminism?

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Also, the Daily Mail literally supported Fascism in the '30s.

No, that's not a joke.

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From: Lightning Strikes | #016

Also, the Daily Mail literally supported Fascism in the '30s.

No, that's not a joke.

How does that invalidate an article written by an irregular contributor 80 years later?

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wasting your time trying to get across how bad feminism is on this board, WJ.

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Eh, feminism works for some people, doesn't work for others. Who cares? Just let me live.

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From: Lightning Strikes | #010

Seriously, in British culture the paper is often nicknamed the "Daily Fail"

http://stopsay.in/fail

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That was a pretty interesting article. Not sure why the hell people are being "lol daily mail."


Maybe Daily Mail is a terrible news source, and that's kind of interesting to hear. Don't see how that has anything to do with the contents of that article considering it who it was written by.

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wasting your time trying to get across how bad feminism is on this board, WJ.

1) Nobody's said feminism isn't bad. I've only seen people say that
1a) the Daily Mail is an unreliable source.
1b) that one woman saying feminism is bad =! women rejecting feminism. But I haven't read the article, so I don't know if it does state that a majority of "women" are rejecting feminism now.
2) If WalrusJump is trying to get across how bad feminism is, he's doing a horrible job. I'm supposed to think feminism is bad because... some woman says so? Would've been better if he made a topic called "feminism sucks" and explained why it sucks.

It baffles me how the word 'feminist' is thrown around here the same way Smuffin calls (or called) everyone "communists"

Why does everything have to be so black and white every single time in these debates? I can think of a few reasons:

1) Board 8 is just a cesspool of extremists (or "trolls") now, no matter what the subject is, so rational people tend to either refrain from discussing or pick a side to support people they like here.
2) The subject matter at hand tends to shove people in one direction or the other, basically 'I think this woman is right' or 'this woman is wrong'.
3) No one cares to have a sensible debate anymore with the same old people and topics. Including me.


What happened to nuance here guys? I think we can all agree that radical feminism isn't good like radical ANYTHING isn't good, but to say a movement is completely and utterly wrong simply because of a flawed individual or book is preposterous.


So who will be the first one to go 'Lol Vincent' at this post or 'XFD are you kidding me l0s0r'

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It's the first one by consequence leading to the third one

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What happened to nuance here guys?

Alpha/beta topics happened.

"Feminism has betrayed an entire generation of women into childlessness. It is devastating."

uh

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lots of problems with the writing as an article (and i don't really understand the spin of 'lots of women are moving away from feminism' when it's literally just one woman) but it's a compelling story and a good one

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nuance? you talk like a ***

that hurt :(

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From: WalrusJump | #017

How does that invalidate an article written by an irregular contributor 80 years later?

Because that's who the paper is written for and by. Ultra-right wing near fascists. This article, ultimately, is no different, or else the author would have found a different outlet.

As for unreliability, it's a tabloid newspaper, what more do you want?

Anyway, here is some video footage of a meeting of Daily Mail sorts:



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From: VincentLauw | #023

It baffles me how the word 'feminist' is thrown around here the same way Smuffin calls (or called) everyone "communists"

Why does everything have to be so black and white every single time in these debates? I can think of a few reasons:

1) Board 8 is just a cesspool of extremists (or "trolls") now, no matter what the subject is, so rational people tend to either refrain from discussing or pick a side to support people they like here.
2) The subject matter at hand tends to shove people in one direction or the other, basically 'I think this woman is right' or 'this woman is wrong'.
3) No one cares to have a sensible debate anymore with the same old people and topics. Including me.


What happened to nuance here guys? I think we can all agree that radical feminism isn't good like radical ANYTHING isn't good, but to say a movement is completely and utterly wrong simply because of a flawed individual or book is preposterous.


So who will be the first one to go 'Lol Vincent' at this post or 'XFD are you kidding me l0s0r'

You make a good point.

But on the other hand, why should anybody listen to a Communist?

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but srsly vincent at this point everyone on the board is either a) literally a reactionary idiot who does not understand nuance, a troll who pretends to be that dumb, a troll who is actually that dumb, or someone so sick of all the other 3 they just treat every single actual discussion/topic like a joke/troll topic.

hence why my topics are just about velociraptors

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I think we're all in agreement that "radical feminism" or whatever you want to call it sucks, but feminism is the reason women have the right to vote. This is why you look so stupid when you say "feminism is bad."

Greenpeace is another matter. On the one hand, they're stupid and insane, but on the other hand, companies actually do react to the insane crap Greenpeace pulls (if for no other reason than to get them to go away), so who's to say they're wrong?

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SmartMuffin posted...

You make a good point.

But on the other hand, why should anybody listen to a Communist?

Touché


(I admit I laughed)


CycloRaptor posted...

but srsly vincent at this point everyone on the board is either a) literally a reactionary idiot who does not understand nuance, a troll who pretends to be that dumb, a troll who is actually that dumb, or someone so sick of all the other 3 they just treat every single actual discussion/topic like a joke/troll topic.

hence why my topics are just about velociraptors

True dat

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Also Fox News isn't an "unreliable tabloid" news source. It is a core pillar of the mainstrean american media system. Yeah, it sucks.

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Did someone seriously mark Cyclo's post

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From: UltimaterializerX | #031

Women have been trending toward denying feminism for awhile now, because modern feminism stopped being about equality years ago. It's about destroying the family, hating men, not having children, and being more miserable than they were before. It was never about being equal to men at all, which most reasonable women know is completely ridiculous.

I am all for equal rights for women, but modern feminism has become a bigger joke than Green Peace.

Again, you're talking only about radicals who are not the majority of people who call themselves feminists. It's still about equality, and it has always been about equality. Only now equality means things like getting equal pay for the same job (I'm talking literally the same job, not "equal work"), having men do an equal amount of domestic work when both parents work, and you know, the fact that in most of the world women don't have anything even remotely close to equal rights with men.

Modern feminism has nothing to do with hating men or the family. What you're describing is way more in line with second-wave feminism which for the most part ended decades ago.

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Don't see how this is different from huffington post links.

I hate all of these news sites with agendas

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From: WalrusJump | #017

How does that invalidate an article written by an irregular contributor 80 years later?

Because that's who the paper is written for and by. Ultra-right wing near fascists. This article, ultimately, is no different, or else the author would have found a different outlet.

As for unreliability, it's a tabloid newspaper, what more do you want?

Anyway, here is some video footage of a meeting of Daily Mail sorts:

Did you read the article? Read it before making assumptions.

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Don't see how this is different from huffington post links.

Who's saying Huffington Post links are better?

thundersheep posted...

From: UltimaterializerX | #031

Women have been trending toward denying feminism for awhile now, because modern feminism stopped being about equality years ago. It's about destroying the family, hating men, not having children, and being more miserable than they were before. It was never about being equal to men at all, which most reasonable women know is completely ridiculous.

I am all for equal rights for women, but modern feminism has become a bigger joke than Green Peace.

Again, you're talking only about radicals who are not the majority of people who call themselves feminists. It's still about equality, and it has always been about equality. Only now equality means things like getting equal pay for the same job (I'm talking literally the same job, not "equal work"), having men do an equal amount of domestic work when both parents work, and you know, the fact that in most of the world women don't have anything even remotely close to equal rights with men.

Modern feminism has nothing to do with hating men or the family. What you're describing is way more in line with second-wave feminism which for the most part ended decades ago.

what a beta male sheep

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From: VincentLauw | #023

So who will be the first one to go 'Lol Vincent' at this post or 'XFD are you kidding me l0s0r'

Alright, let me explain to you why we all act so extreme on this board, and it's the same reason you have been coming and will keep coming to this board for years.

You can't find it anywhere else. If you want a calm, "nuanced" debate, go talk to your coworkers or some random guy on the bus. If you want to talk about typical, socially acceptable, mundane topic, go talk to your neighbor or classmates or something.

There are so many places for you to find your precious nuanced debate. But there are few places where you can find people who will debate with you to the most extreme point, with no regard for tact, dignity, friendship, emotions, or any of that other stuff that stifles everyday discussions. While you might say that you can find this sort of discussion anywhere on the internet, only b8 has people who are actually intelligent and can back up their stances with facts and logic (around 50% of the time, at least).

So basically you subconsciously crave the aggressive discussions we have on this board because you like having your viewpoints and beliefs challenges, and being able to defend them

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From: bronxplayah | #042

Did you read the article? Read it before making assumptions.

I did. It's much the same. Yes, it's a little better in that it is by one particular person talking about their own experiences, but ultimately it was published by the Mail because it pushes their typical agenda. Even the TC is unwittingly acting in a very Daily Mail fashion with the alarmist and reactionary topic title.

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I used to react more strongly against feminism until all this Twilight/Fifty Shades of Grey stuff started. Now I'm not so sure. It's like so many women want their lives to revolve around a man. Lol beta females.

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I used to react more strongly against feminism until all this Twilight/Fifty Shades of Grey stuff started. Now I'm not so sure. It's like so many women want their lives to revolve around a man. Lol beta females.

At the risk of going into alpha/beta debate territory, I'm always skeptical about extrapolating feelings people have from preferences in fiction. I love Harry Potter, but that doesn't mean I want to be a wizard.