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Hornezz posted...

The whole "it's always been this way, therefore it should always stay this way" is a weirdly conservative argument against progressive change that doesn't hold any real value at all. I'm sure people were saying the same about women's voting rights or during the Civil Rights era. It was a worthless argument then, it's a worthless argument now. Just a circular reasoning to defend the status quo for the sake of it.

Besides, there actually is precedent in US history for sanctioning Israel. Both Reagan and Bush Sr. did it. Hell, Canada has traditionally stood by the USA's side on Israel but they suspended arms sales anyway a few weeks ago.

Repeating it doesn't make it true. It's bizarre how comfortably you are just gaslighting ITT.

From the Gallup poll published this week:
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You made this claim:
"if he is seen as abandoning israel he risks losing huge swaths of his voting base and independent voters who he has to rely on"

That is a direct quote. You have not proven this whatsoever. Because it's a lie.

You posted a crappy right-wing propaganda poll and instead of acknowledging that, you're doubling down and throwing out petty insults.

How are you making the world a better place by deliberately spreading misinformation on the internet to defend your favorite politician and his complicity in war crimes?

stating a political reality isn't conservatism, it's common sense. you have done nothing but attack the guy who is preventing the us from falling to a fascist buffoon. you have offered zero alternatives, just mindless complaining and throwing emotional accusations without any substance.

you started out by accusing me of cherrypicking while being the one that is literally cherrpicking polls that don't support the position you are framing.

supporting Israel =/= supporting every action they take in gaza. biden has called them out for war crimes while still broadly supporting israel. if your strategy is to attack any polls you don't like as 'fake news' like the trumpers you are signal boosting then there really isn't any meaningful difference between you and the insurrection crowd. linking to a student newspaper isn't a compelling takedown of a poll fyi

i am not the one trying to convince people on the internet to not vote against the worst modern president who is promising to be much worse if reelected. you are indistinguishable from the russian shills or right wing concern trolls who try to convince people to stay home when the democrat isn't 100% good all the time. it's predictable and transparent and pathetic