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I think it's still Ulti. There's one thing in particular that always bothered me about his claimed action N2 with only seeing one single item used. For us to believe Ulti that the reason he didn't see scum Cody's track N2 is that scum has a way to play around his role, it seems like they would not need one way to play around his role, but like 3 or 4 ways to play around it? This is hard meta territory from the very first rules post of the game,

Kirby321 posted...

SUPER SMASH BROS. MAFIA
- Rather than traditional roles, SCUM has a pool of items to use as night actions. Each scum may use one item per night. These items all have limited uses, though some items can be used more than once.

So Ulti sent out two beetles and only saw one item used. We don't know enough about how scum works, but it feels crazy that scum would N2 only use one item, or have 3+ ways around Ulti's beetles that he wasn't able to see any of the other items used. Like even if Cody flipped some Ninja variant who's item uses can't be seen by other roles, there's still a huge question in the air about why or how there were no other items used that Ulti could see.

Last game I got wrapped up with Ctes trying to pin me on one single part of the case on him that didn't make sense because he was telling a story that didn't match up with the actual night actions, and I in the end was able to realize that I didn't have enough information and ignored that point he kept pushing on. I want to be careful with Ulti and not focus on just the "why didn't he see scum's N2 scan that Cody would need to have claimed that info" because scum COULD have some way to play around that. But the rest of Ulti's claim still stinks and doesn't seem like it holds up under scrutiny. That's why I'm trying to emphasize that it's not just one isolated issue, but multiple things that don't seem to line up. Another one is the mentioned "too many guns" argument if scum has this supposed back-up that can target town powers. But I get role madness and all on that one makes it not great to give that too much.

I'll look more detailed into Chang tonight since Chris asked for a towncase. Before looking into him, my memory tells me he looked good for being on Joyrock and seemed to make a lot of sense in the posts I see him in. But I'll analyze a little closer.