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Daremo posted...

It sounds like you are using objective to mean some form of... er..., the absence of epistemological self-determinism, that is, the idea that we cannot determine what we believe

That's not what 'objective' means ('objective' means 'mind-independent'). But I'm proposing that if something presents itself a certain way in our experience, and if the way it presents itself isn't up to us, then this is (provisional, inconclusive) evidence that the thing is independent of our minds.

This is what it means for something to seem objective to us. "Reality is what you stumble over in the dark" and all that. This, or something similar, is the most straightforward reason for thinking that the physical world exists independently of our perception of it.