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Grimlyn posted...

I'm sorry if I'm a bit aggressive to a wave of cis dudes patting themselves on the back about the crazy trans people "ruining" a movement we've been left on our own with for years

but to go on about how we "failed" is a complete fucking disrespect to the actual conversation that protests have actually raised that have been entirely ignored until it came for the wizards, and to the actual people I've personally seen learn better from it - which I can even include people like plum into this despite my heavily disagreements with his takes, but I have absolutely nonetheless seen his own growth in listening even in disagreement, let alone other folks who sincerely weren't aware of any problems or to the depths of it regarding Rowling and her starlight franchise whether they go on to buy the game or not or already had.

I don't exactly think of the boycott idea as purely coming from only trans people. I don't think to myself 'the boycott idea failed' is a direct translation to 'trans people failed'

Nor do I think it was a bad thing to bring up and as you said I am sure it has in fact changed people's minds about things and opened lines of discourse. When I think of the failure benchmark for a 'boycott' I think of only the product's success, not the ripple effects from bringing up something that is important.

There are many - not you - who I have seen with a lot of sway on the internet saying that if someone buys the game they are transphobic and don't ever talk to them again. I think perhaps as a trans person you don't realize - or don't care to comment on - that you appear to be rather moderate on this issue compared to many within the trans space.

A failure of a boycott does not equal a failure of outreach and certainly does not equal a failure on the heads of a minority group. I think on balance at the worst all of this talk annoyed some 'neutral' people (anyone more than mildly annoyed was probably never going to be an ally so fuck 'em) and as you say probably swayed many more to at least be more empathetic, which is always good for discourse. That is, however, not the aim for MANY very loud voices in trans spaces if their postings are anything to go by.

There are, unfortunately, plenty of both cis and trans crazy people though. That do, in fact, suck at advocating for issues they care about. That do, in fact. harm their own causes at times. I am afraid cis people don't get a monopoly on that. If you thought I was saying only trans people were wrong about this then I have been misunderstood.

I spend most of my time discussing politics shitting on cis people of various political alignments, if it makes you feel any better about my position here.