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HeroDelTiempo17 06/27/22 10:32:50 AM #80:	KamikazePotato posted... A big red state seceding means the left starts auto-winning elections, which would be an objective good for society. The downside is that it would screw over the left-leaning people in those areas, so it can't ACTUALLY happen, but it's nice to fantasize. You can call it team sports if you want, but I fundamentally can't emphasize towards right-leaning people anymore and would love a theoretical country where they just leave. They're not people I want to associate with. Yes, this is team sports. You are describing an absolute fantasy world, as if everyone in a red state is an irredeemable monster, or that you don't have fascists in whatever blue state you live in. People have brought this up in the topic multiple times. You want to also evacuate 14 million Texan refugees? Yeah sounds reasonable, and wouldn't even solve the problem. Do I have to explain the Great Migration and how it did not magically end oppression? The reason people don't leave red states isn't because they are "insane" or "stupid" it's because they either don't have the means or ability, or they have ties to local communities and their quality of life would get worse if they left, since things are bad everywhere. Thinking about this in terms of electoral politics misses how real people are affected by it. Secession is a meme and one you fundamentally miss the point of. Texas has a trifecta government, if they wanted to leave they could try. Mostly it is a slogan to rile up the base, or a bluff against the federal government. You saw it more during Obama's presidency, and then surprise surprise it mostly went away during Trump for other slogans. Now Biden's back so of course. It is a mostly empty signifier of rebellion against the liberal order, and the thing about that is, you can obviate the need to secede by taking over the country. That is the actual goal. So yeah I know people are just venting or whatever but this is a completely unhelpful mindset even as a joke, and you should get it out of your head. It is just some stupid "us versus them" mentality when what needs to be happening is resources going into red states to help the people and organizations who are there. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:966144306] in Politics C... [t:80071160]...</cite> <quote>KamikazePotato posted... </cite> <quote>A big red state seceding means the left starts auto-winning elections, which would be an objective good for society. The downside is that it would screw over the left-leaning people in those areas, so it can't ACTUALLY happen, but it's nice to fantasize. You can call it team sports if you want, but I fundamentally can't emphasize towards right-leaning people anymore and would love a theoretical country where they just leave. They're not people I want to associate with.</quote> Yes, this is team sports. You are describing an absolute fantasy world, as if everyone in a red state is an irredeemable monster, or that you don't have fascists in whatever blue state you live in. People have brought this up in the topic multiple times. You want to also evacuate 14 million Texan refugees? Yeah sounds reasonable, and wouldn't even solve the problem. Do I have to explain the Great Migration and how it did not magically end oppression? The reason people don't leave red states isn't because they are "insane" or "stupid" it's because they either don't have the means or ability, or they have ties to local communities and their quality of life would get worse if they left, since things are bad everywhere. Thinking about this in terms of electoral politics misses how real people are affected by it. Secession is a meme and one you fundamentally miss the point of. Texas has a trifecta government, if they wanted to leave they could try. Mostly it is a slogan to rile up the base, or a bluff against the federal government. You saw it more during Obama's presidency, and then surprise surprise it mostly went away during Trump for other slogans. Now Biden's back so of course. It is a mostly empty signifier of rebellion against the liberal order, and the thing about that is, you can obviate the need to secede by taking over the country. That is the actual goal. So yeah I know people are just venting or whatever but this is a completely unhelpful mindset even as a joke, and you should get it out of your head. It is just some stupid "us versus them" mentality when what needs to be happening is resources going into red states to help the people and organizations who are there. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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