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StartTheMachine 09/13/21 4:38:37 PM #342:	xp1337 posted... Yeah, I'm afraid I'm not sure what you can do to convince someone who has doubled down and entrenched themselves that deep. The best "argument" I think you could probably make to such a person would probably be the fact that we've had islands in the Pacific literally become submerged over the past few decades complete with before/after pictures. https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/three-islands-disappeared-past-year-climate-change-blame-ncna1015316 https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2017/09/09/new-study-finds-8-islands-swallowed-by-rising-sea-level/ (And both these articles are years old. This isn't just happening.) It's been affecting the Pacific more because the rise has been greater there. The NBC article mentions that a remote Hawaiian island disappeared (and is shown in the before/after pictures). An uninhabited islet in Japan could no longer be found by a local newspaper. In terms of populated areas, the NBC article leads with an interview of the former president of a collection of Pacific islands who recounts the tale of a village on one of the islands that was once thriving but starting in the 70s the rising sea levels threatened the town and eventually overwhelmed the seawall they built to try and protect it. NBC reports... But I wouldn't expect that to change someone's mind if the most basic facts of the rising sea levels, rising average global temperature, and alarming spike in frequency of extreme weather events has failed. Thanks for those links. I'm not going to bother unless/until we get in this kind of discussion again, and even then, it would probably be fruitless. When I've sent him these kinds of links before, he'll say "this was written by a journalist and there's no scientific data." And like...yeah, an island was here and it no longer is. We don't need to deeply and rigorously research what happened to the island. We fucking know. I think what's fascinating about my brother is he's a pretty "into science" kind of person. He likes Sagan and Cosmos and anything to do with physics or astronomy. He's smart enough to perfectly explain general relativity, but anything to do with climate change is pseudoscience in his mind. Just the embodiment of cognitive dissonance. Also if you want to actually lose respect for him, he seems to really love eugenics. --- - Blur - Welcome to your Divinity. <cite>StartTheMachine posted [p:958019235] in Politics C... [t:79627991]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah, I'm afraid I'm not sure what you can do to convince someone who has doubled down and entrenched themselves that deep. The best "argument" I think you could probably make to such a person would probably be the fact that we've had islands in the Pacific literally become submerged over the past few decades complete with before/after pictures. https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/three-islands-disappeared-past-year-climate-change-blame-ncna1015316 https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2017/09/09/new-study-finds-8-islands-swallowed-by-rising-sea-level/ (And both these articles are years old. This isn't just happening.) It's been affecting the Pacific more because the rise has been greater there. The NBC article mentions that a remote Hawaiian island disappeared (and is shown in the before/after pictures). An uninhabited islet in Japan could no longer be found by a local newspaper. In terms of populated areas, the NBC article leads with an interview of the former president of a collection of Pacific islands who recounts the tale of a village on one of the islands that was once thriving but starting in the 70s the rising sea levels threatened the town and eventually overwhelmed the seawall they built to try and protect it. NBC reports... But I wouldn't expect that to change someone's mind if the most basic facts of the rising sea levels, rising average global temperature, and alarming spike in frequency of extreme weather events has failed.</quote> Thanks for those links. I'm not going to bother unless/until we get in this kind of discussion again, and even then, it would probably be fruitless. When I've sent him these kinds of links before, he'll say "this was written by a journalist and there's no scientific data." And like...yeah, an island was here and it no longer is. We don't need to deeply and rigorously research what happened to the island. We fucking know. I think what's fascinating about my brother is he's a pretty "into science" kind of person. He likes Sagan and Cosmos and anything to do with physics or astronomy. He's smart enough to perfectly explain general relativity, but anything to do with climate change is pseudoscience in his mind. Just the embodiment of cognitive dissonance. Also if you want to actually lose respect for him, he seems to really love eugenics. --- - Blur - Welcome to your Divinity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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