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Topic	Damn, Nina Turner really got blown the fuck out in Ohio, didn't she?
Krojen 08/05/21 3:39:50 AM #66:	Broseph_Stalin posted... What part of Bernie getting dunked on by both Hillary and Biden don't you seem to understand? Ignoring how useless policy polling can be, M4A and universal healthcare are not the same thing. I understand that Dem primaries differ from general elections. Lower turnout, older, managerial class, more trusting of Dem establishment, MSNBC punditry that votes for whoever they hear can win, not who they prefer (perceived best chance to beat Trump consistently ranked higher than getting their preferred policy) If they drop to endorse the guy that won 3 straight by increasing margins, instead of the guy that needed those endorsements to save his 5th place campaign, itd be a different outcome. Dem voters were clearly moved by trust in endorsements and media, not policy. Thats how Bernie can poll more favorably than his opponent and lose a primary. Thats how his policy can poll so well and lose a primary. Thats how Nina can have a massive lead erased and lose the primary. To say otherwise forces you to go full maga and say lol polls I disagree with are fake to make sense of your worldview. Even after a year of bad faith attacks on med4all, no support from Dem leadership, it still polls extremely well, by big margins. Hard to lump that in with typical polls-are-useless memes. And someone who supports med4all does support universal healthcare. Saying otherwise is a lie about policy. --- https://imgur.com/hI4hAMb <cite>Krojen posted [p:956792594] in Damn, Nina... [t:79598655]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>What part of Bernie getting dunked on by both Hillary and Biden don't you seem to understand? Ignoring how useless policy polling can be, M4A and universal healthcare are not the same thing.</quote>I understand that Dem primaries differ from general elections. Lower turnout, older, managerial class, more trusting of Dem establishment, MSNBC punditry that votes for whoever they hear can win, not who they prefer (perceived best chance to beat Trump consistently ranked higher than getting their preferred policy) If they drop to endorse the guy that won 3 straight by increasing margins, instead of the guy that needed those endorsements to save his 5th place campaign, itd be a different outcome. Dem voters were clearly moved by trust in endorsements and media, not policy. Thats how Bernie can poll more favorably than his opponent and lose a primary. Thats how his policy can poll so well and lose a primary. Thats how Nina can have a massive lead erased and lose the primary. To say otherwise forces you to go full maga and say lol polls I disagree with are fake to make sense of your worldview. Even after a year of bad faith attacks on med4all, no support from Dem leadership, it still polls extremely well, by big margins. Hard to lump that in with typical polls-are-useless memes. And someone who supports med4all does support universal healthcare. Saying otherwise is a lie about policy. --- https://imgur.com/hI4hAMb</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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