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Topic	Rank these Disney villains.
BigOlePappy 07/13/21 12:07:41 PM #1:	Ursula Scar Oogie Boogie Jafar Hades Monseigneur Claude Frollo Gaston Ratcliffe Shan Yu --------------------- 9.) Shan Yu Who is this guy again? Honestly, the real villain of Mulan seems to be ancient Chinese society that says a woman can't fight. 8.) Monseigneur Claude Frollo Okay, he has literary clout, but other than showing clerical problems with sexuality.....he doesn't have nearly as much personality as the other villains. Meh. 7.) Govenor Ratcliffe So Ratcliffe is a colonial entrepreneur who is meant to represent colonial greed, hypocrisy, and xenophobia. He is disgustingly snooty and vile (in a good way), but like Frollo, he is more generic than the other villains. Bonus points though for Percy the dog. 6.) Oogie Boogie Yeah, this one hurt to put here. He is absolutely an awesome character with some of the most memorable character songs. Seeing Ken Page's live performance of the "Oogie Boogie Song" will give you chills. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X-lWDPno-g). I guess where he lacks is that other than his musical numbers, he is kind of underdeveloped. Like in Mulan, The Nightmare Before Christmas's actual antagonist of the movie isn't a typical villain; the main antagonist is tragically Jack himself and his inability to feel content with the wonderful life he had in front of him. 5.) Jafar From here on out, I feel like I am trying to rank my own favorite children. Jafar, unfortunately, had to be placed her despite Alladin being one of my all-time favorite animated films. Jafar is your generic twirly mustache villain who lurks in the shadows. Honestly, I think that without Gilbert Gotfried's Iago, he would have been slightly underwhelming. That said, he does turn into a freaking giant genie and enchant the sultan, which gives him points for raw power. 4.) Scar This is another one that hurt to place so relatively low. Scar is the perfection of a very archetypical villain. He's jealous, plotting, arrogant, backstabbing, and opportunistic. He kills his own brother ffs. Scar's "Be Prepared" is a song of legend in musicality and animation. He doesn't do anything particularly new, but he does villainy really well. I mean...killing a kid's dad then raising that kid in a world of lies....that's messed up. That said, The Lion King isn't groundbreaking, borrowing heavily (at the least) from Japan's Kimba or Shakespear's Hamlet. Scar is a refined perfection of a timeless archetype. 3.) Hades A prefaceI am probably biased because I am part Greek. That may influence my opinion that Hades is one of the most underrated villains in Disney history. He has the visual whimsicality of Alladin's genie, but with more nasty villainy which makes him quite fun. Also, his character seems more nuanced and "human" or "relatable" than anyone else in the entire movie. Hades is constantly ruminating, second-guessing himself, trying to get along with an Olympian family that he is alienated from. Hades could carry his own solo film. Where Hades lacks is a great setpiece, memorable song. Lastly, does anyone else agree that Dave Chapelle would be a great live-action Hades? Out of left field casting, I know.....but I think it could work. 2.) Ursula Ursula was hard to place here, but I think she deserves it. Disney was a dumpster fire by the time The Little Mermaid came along and they hit it out of the park to preserve an eventual billion-dollar entity. Ursula was a queen beech in a deliciously self-indulgent way, with memorable songs. She had a lot of screen time other than just being a generic person on a thrown or in the shadows. This is a "gut" placement, but for some reason it feels right. 1.) Gaston Gaston is the best. This dude is a d-bag. Everyone has met this guy or has been him/her themselves. Along with that, he has one of the greatest musical numbers in any medium which is entirely about himself. Thematically, he represents everything that the Beast and beauty is not. Also, he uses antlers in all of his decorating. --- "Oh, you think lag is your ally. You merely adopted lag. I was born in it, molded by it. I didnt have cable until I was already a man." <cite>BigOlePappy posted [p:956038681] in Rank these... [t:79562491]...</cite> <quote>Ursula Scar Oogie Boogie Jafar Hades Monseigneur Claude Frollo Gaston Ratcliffe Shan Yu --------------------- 9.) Shan Yu Who is this guy again? Honestly, the real villain of Mulan seems to be ancient Chinese society that says a woman can't fight. 8.) Monseigneur Claude Frollo Okay, he has literary clout, but other than showing clerical problems with sexuality.....he doesn't have nearly as much personality as the other villains. Meh. 7.) Govenor Ratcliffe So Ratcliffe is a colonial entrepreneur who is meant to represent colonial greed, hypocrisy, and xenophobia. He is disgustingly snooty and vile (in a good way), but like Frollo, he is more generic than the other villains. Bonus points though for Percy the dog. 6.) Oogie Boogie Yeah, this one hurt to put here. He is absolutely an awesome character with some of the most memorable character songs. Seeing Ken Page's live performance of the "Oogie Boogie Song" will give you chills. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X-lWDPno-g). I guess where he lacks is that other than his musical numbers, he is kind of underdeveloped. Like in Mulan, The Nightmare Before Christmas's actual antagonist of the movie isn't a typical villain; the main antagonist is tragically Jack himself and his inability to feel content with the wonderful life he had in front of him. 5.) Jafar From here on out, I feel like I am trying to rank my own favorite children. Jafar, unfortunately, had to be placed her despite Alladin being one of my all-time favorite animated films. Jafar is your generic twirly mustache villain who lurks in the shadows. Honestly, I think that without Gilbert Gotfried's Iago, he would have been slightly underwhelming. That said, he does turn into a freaking giant genie and enchant the sultan, which gives him points for raw power. 4.) Scar This is another one that hurt to place so relatively low. Scar is the perfection of a very archetypical villain. He's jealous, plotting, arrogant, backstabbing, and opportunistic. He kills his own brother ffs. Scar's "Be Prepared" is a song of legend in musicality and animation. He doesn't do anything particularly new, but he does villainy really well. I mean...killing a kid's dad then raising that kid in a world of lies....that's messed up. That said, The Lion King isn't groundbreaking, borrowing heavily (at the least) from Japan's Kimba or Shakespear's Hamlet. Scar is a refined perfection of a timeless archetype. 3.) Hades A prefaceI am probably biased because I am part Greek. That may influence my opinion that Hades is one of the most underrated villains in Disney history. He has the visual whimsicality of Alladin's genie, but with more nasty villainy which makes him quite fun. Also, his character seems more nuanced and "human" or "relatable" than anyone else in the entire movie. Hades is constantly ruminating, second-guessing himself, trying to get along with an Olympian family that he is alienated from. Hades could carry his own solo film. Where Hades lacks is a great setpiece, memorable song. Lastly, does anyone else agree that Dave Chapelle would be a great live-action Hades? Out of left field casting, I know.....but I think it could work. 2.) Ursula Ursula was hard to place here, but I think she deserves it. Disney was a dumpster fire by the time The Little Mermaid came along and they hit it out of the park to preserve an eventual billion-dollar entity. Ursula was a queen beech in a deliciously self-indulgent way, with memorable songs. She had a lot of screen time other than just being a generic person on a thrown or in the shadows. This is a "gut" placement, but for some reason it feels right. 1.) Gaston Gaston is the best. This dude is a d-bag. Everyone has met this guy or has been him/her themselves. Along with that, he has one of the greatest musical numbers in any medium which is entirely about himself. Thematically, he represents everything that the Beast and beauty is not. Also, he uses antlers in all of his decorating. --- "Oh, you think lag is your ally. You merely adopted lag. I was born in it, molded by it. I didnt have cable until I was already a man."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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