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Topic	Politics Containment Topic 375: Joe Bidin' his time
Inviso 07/02/21 1:04:24 PM #272:	Ultimately, I think my argument comes down to this. Tony, you regularly complain about the Democratic Party being useless and not taking extreme action to push the progressive agenda that the voters want. I don't think that's what's happening here. I think the Democratic Party is behaving EXACTLY how the MAJORITY of their voters want them to act. The Democratic Party is not this overwhelming progressive monolith. At best they are in a 3-2 minority (more likely a 4-1 minority) against the moderate wing of the part. And the moderates, as stupid and irrational as this sounds, want bipartisanship. They want the country to be united, which means both parties coming together to craft legislation for the good of all. I fully admit that this mindset is fucking stupid. You are completely right to be pissed off about it. But that's the will of the moderate majority of VOTERS. This is the problem, and I've mentioned this before. But the moderate wing of the Democratic Party looks at the Republicans and correctly sees them as raging extremists. But at the same time, they look at the progressive wing of the party and similarly see THEM as raging extremists as well (largely because of the combative messaging of both policy, and how to accomplish it). If the Democrats just say fuck it, and start aggressively pushing progressive legislation without the moderate wing's blessing, they stand to lose a lot more, because suddenly the moderates are in the middle of two parties, and they believe neither one of those parties represents their views. If they feel disenfranchised, that's a HUGE chunk of the Democratic Party potentially sitting out and handing power to the GOP. With this in mind, the party is expecting the progressives to be more pragmatic and vote the better of the two options, because the GOP is actively spiteful towards the progressive agenda, whereas the Democrats nominally support progressive policies. So the party IS doing right by their base. It's just not what progressives want. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:955673144] in Politics C... [t:79515369]...</cite> <quote>Ultimately, I think my argument comes down to this. Tony, you regularly complain about the Democratic Party being useless and not taking extreme action to push the progressive agenda that the voters want. I don't think that's what's happening here. I think the Democratic Party is behaving EXACTLY how the MAJORITY of their voters want them to act. The Democratic Party is not this overwhelming progressive monolith. At best they are in a 3-2 minority (more likely a 4-1 minority) against the moderate wing of the part. And the moderates, as stupid and irrational as this sounds, want bipartisanship. They want the country to be united, which means both parties coming together to craft legislation for the good of all. I fully admit that this mindset is fucking stupid. You are completely right to be pissed off about it. But that's the will of the moderate majority of VOTERS. This is the problem, and I've mentioned this before. But the moderate wing of the Democratic Party looks at the Republicans and correctly sees them as raging extremists. But at the same time, they look at the progressive wing of the party and similarly see THEM as raging extremists as well (largely because of the combative messaging of both policy, and how to accomplish it). If the Democrats just say fuck it, and start aggressively pushing progressive legislation without the moderate wing's blessing, they stand to lose a lot more, because suddenly the moderates are in the middle of two parties, and they believe neither one of those parties represents their views. If they feel disenfranchised, that's a HUGE chunk of the Democratic Party potentially sitting out and handing power to the GOP. With this in mind, the party is expecting the progressives to be more pragmatic and vote the better of the two options, because the GOP is actively spiteful towards the progressive agenda, whereas the Democrats nominally support progressive policies. So the party IS doing right by their base. It's just not what progressives want. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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