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TopicControversial Opinion #4: Automation
darkknight109
06/02/21 5:48:39 AM
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LinkPizza posted...
Just liking science doesn't mean you want you driving privileges taken away.
Sure - I mean, some science-loving individuals still drive drunk. Doesn't mean drunk driving is a good idea or that those people aren't wrong for doing it.

LinkPizza posted...
The point is that while they probably weren't correct in everything they said, they were correct when they said, "Machines can't replace the heart and soul of a human worker."
Who is "they"?

Please provide context to your sentences or quote what you're responding to, because otherwise it's impossible to tell what you're talking about when you suddenly change subjects like this.

LinkPizza posted...
There are people who go to certain food places where it's basically home-cooked meals because the food feels made with love. And many people still make stuff for their families.
While charming, warm-fuzzies are no substitute for commerce.

Yes, people may love your home-cooking business; when you're up against a robot who can make the same food for free, it's still very unlikely it will be a viable business model.

Everybody says they prefer "Mom 'n Pop" stores over big-box giants like Wal-Mart that treat their employees like shit and employ questionable labour practices... but those big box stores still dominate the market, while their Mom 'n Pop competitors fight over table scraps because those unethical business practices make them money and at the end of the day, people are more likely to go with whatever is lightest on their wallet rather than their conscience. The world probably shouldn't be that way, but it is and it's pointless trying to deny that.

LinkPizza posted...
And just because you don't like my personal anecdote doesn't make it less true.
Whether it's true or not is immaterial; it's not statistically significant because it's just one person's (biased) experience in a single region. It has no bearing on the argument at all.

LinkPizza posted...
And some people don't want to fire truckers that have worked for them for years if they don't have to. Many people are fine with their own drivers and still make good money.
Again, warm-fuzzies don't make up for commerce.

My employer had to layoff some of my fellow employees last year during the pandemic. We didn't want to and we didn't do it because we didn't like them; we did it because our business was drying up thanks to pandemic conditions, we were being undercut by competitors, and we weren't bringing in enough work to keep them on staff. With the pandemic crunching everyone's budgets, our usual clients were seeking the cheapest possible options, which frequently wasn't us. And, yes, many of our competitors were making better use of machine learning and AI than we were and were concordantly able to produce similar work with lower budgets, which was a case I made to our management several times (thankfully, they are now investing more in machine learning tech to help make us competitive again).

If you are a trucking company with human drivers, you simply won't be competitive with self-driving trucks. Maybe some people will continue to hire you out of nostalgia or a lack of need to watch their bottom line, but you'll be rapidly pushed to the fringes of the business while your automated competitors eat your lunch.

LinkPizza posted...
You say that anybody who enacts the AI or Robot ban will fall behind, but you also have no proof of that.
You cannot prove a hypothetical. Try again.

That said, there is evidence supporting that which is literally every society that has ever tried to impede its own technological progress.

LinkPizza posted...
For example, if a restaurant does that, many people will probably still eat there if they like the food.
To quote your own argument back at you, "You have no proof of that."

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