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Topic	Controversial Opinion #4: Automation
darkknight109 06/02/21 5:36:50 AM #255:	LinkPizza posted... So if anyone is making kneejerk reactions, it seems to be you since I'm pulling my info from articles and stuff... Like I'm not just making up these flaws. I'm getting them from articles. Yes, you're getting your information from "articles" instead of actual understanding of the principles at play - I picked up on that a few replies ago. Are you familiar with the DunningKruger effect? LinkPizza posted... And you act like I'm the only one making predictions. No, I'm acting like you're the only one making predictions that aren't based on actual fact or realistic assumptions. Again, you literally posted a few paragraphs up from this quote that we'll be banned from cooking our own food - that's the level of realism I'm stuck dealing with from you. As I mentioned, there's a difference between someone predicting that global warming will cause serious effects on our species and someone who predicts that global warming will stop when the martians turn off their rayguns. Both of those are predictions, but they're not equally valid predictions. LinkPizza posted... And defenses are improving. But I believe hackers are improving faster. Then you believe wrong. LinkPizza posted... Especially if some companies like Google have decided to hire hackers to help with their defenses... Like industries have been doing since the 70s? LinkPizza posted... So, when I say it could be hacked to get your personal info, I'm not talking about how you like you food cooked. I'm talking about things like Name, Address, SSN, CC info, etc. That's something hackers already can get... by hacking your phone. Or your employer's computer system. Or the government. Even entertaining the hypothetical that your personal chef-bot would have reason to know the above information, that info is already out there and there are considerably more efficient ways for hackers to access it (hackers don't care about you personally, they want as large a trove of info for as many different users as they can get; your personal AI is not nearly as tempting a target as, say, a phone company that has the names, addresses, and credit card numbers of millions of their customers). LinkPizza posted... You're definitely being disingenuous if you thought I was talking about people learning how you liked your food cooked. You postulated this hypothetical when talking about a cooking robot being hacked. Why would your chef-bot know your SSN? As usual, you're blaming me for your own poorly-constructed arguments. It's not my fault if your arguments lack context. LinkPizza posted... You were the one who said, "People "want" a lot of things, but aren't willing to pay the cost." So, I said, "People will pay the cost when they think the cost is worth it"... It quite simple... See, this is an example of properly quoting the text you were responding to. Congratulations, you did it! Anyways, you're correct that people will pay the cost when they think the cost is worth it... but the reverse is also true. People will put up with lesser service if they think the discount is worth it. Case in point, Wal-Mart sells largely cheap garbage - there are higher-quality goods made under more ethical conditions available at pretty much any other store. Yet people still shop there because it's cheap. If you told someone, "Hey, we can give you a 20% discount on your shopping, but you'll have to wait in line an extra few minutes", a significant portion of the population would happily make that trade, especially those living near (or under) the poverty line. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:954553233] in Controvers... [t:79384298]...</cite> <quote><quote> LinkPizza posted... So if anyone is making kneejerk reactions, it seems to be you since I'm pulling my info from articles and stuff... Like I'm not just making up these flaws. I'm getting them from articles.</quote>Yes, you're getting your information from "articles" instead of actual understanding of the principles at play - I picked up on that a few replies ago. Are you familiar with the DunningKruger effect? <quote> LinkPizza posted... And you act like I'm the only one making predictions.</quote>No, I'm acting like you're the only one making predictions that aren't based on actual fact or realistic assumptions. Again, you literally posted a few paragraphs up from this quote that we'll be banned from cooking our own food - that's the level of realism I'm stuck dealing with from you. As I mentioned, there's a difference between someone predicting that global warming will cause serious effects on our species and someone who predicts that global warming will stop when the martians turn off their rayguns. Both of those are predictions, but they're not equally valid predictions. <quote> LinkPizza posted... And defenses are improving. But I believe hackers are improving faster.</quote>Then you believe wrong. <quote> LinkPizza posted... Especially if some companies like Google have decided to hire hackers to help with their defenses...</quote>Like industries have been doing since the 70s? <quote> LinkPizza posted... So, when I say it could be hacked to get your personal info, I'm not talking about how you like you food cooked. I'm talking about things like Name, Address, SSN, CC info, etc.</quote>That's something hackers already can get... by hacking your phone. Or your employer's computer system. Or the government. Even entertaining the hypothetical that your personal chef-bot would have reason to know the above information, that info is already out there and there are considerably more efficient ways for hackers to access it (hackers don't care about you personally, they want as large a trove of info for as many different users as they can get; your personal AI is not nearly as tempting a target as, say, a phone company that has the names, addresses, and credit card numbers of millions of their customers). <quote> LinkPizza posted... You're definitely being disingenuous if you thought I was talking about people learning how you liked your food cooked.</quote>You postulated this hypothetical when talking about a cooking robot being hacked. Why would your chef-bot know your SSN? As usual, you're blaming me for your own poorly-constructed arguments. It's not my fault if your arguments lack context. <quote> LinkPizza posted... You were the one who said, "People "want" a lot of things, but aren't willing to pay the cost." So, I said, "People will pay the cost when they think the cost is worth it"... It quite simple...</quote>See, this is an example of properly quoting the text you were responding to. Congratulations, you did it! Anyways, you're correct that people will pay the cost when they think the cost is worth it... but the reverse is also true. People will put up with lesser service if they think the discount is worth it. Case in point, Wal-Mart sells largely cheap garbage - there are higher-quality goods made under more ethical conditions available at pretty much any other store. Yet people still shop there because it's cheap. If you told someone, "Hey, we can give you a 20% discount on your shopping, but you'll have to wait in line an extra few minutes", a significant portion of the population would happily make that trade, especially those living near (or under) the poverty line. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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