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Topic	Controversial Opinion #4: Automation
darkknight109 06/02/21 5:35:53 AM #254:	LinkPizza posted... And again, telling it you liked it better last time doesn't do anything. You would need to give it some kind of direction to move to. sigh No, you don't. Seriously, if you're going to argue this topic, at least do yourself a favour and learn the basics of how machine learning works. It's painfully apparent you are completely clueless on the subject. Here's your first lesson. Machine learning is an iterative process. When a machine is trying to perfect its ability to complete a task, it takes the most successful way it has previously determined to do the task (in this case, cook a recipe) and changes some parameter about how it cooks the dish. Maybe it alters the cooking time or temperature, maybe it changes the ingredients. It will then evaluate the outcome of the task - in this case, by presenting you with the finished dish and asking if you liked it better than last time. If you say no, then it determines that the changes it made from its previous attempt moved it further away from the goal and it goes back to the original way it made it and iterates a different way. Maybe this time it adds or removes some spices. And maybe this time you say, "Yes, this was better than last time." Now the AI has a new "most successful" way it made the dish and, on future attempts, it will iterate off that recipe rather than the old one. This is machine learning 101. If you do not understand the process of how machines learn, your continued participation in this discussion is pointless because you're going on at considerable length about things you have no knowledge of. LinkPizza posted... And my point about getting a stuff made a certain way at certain restaurant can kill a restaurant. Yes. And? LinkPizza posted... When your own personal robot cooks food, you don't pay the robot. Buying the robot only gives money to the place you bought it from when you bought it. But if you already own the robot, it just makes food from the ingredients you have. You wouldn't pay it, nor would it charge you to make any food... You would still have to buy the ingredients, but that different. And that doesn't help the restaurant in any way... If the choice is "keep restaurants" or "destroy restaurants, but everyone gets cheap, restaurant quality food made right in their kitchen anytime they want", then bye-bye restaurants. Sometimes businesses die thanks to new technology. It's sad, but inevitable. The electric light bulb killed the lamp-lighter industry, the refrigerator killed the milk-delivery business, and the printing press did away with the scribe profession. Restaurants may one day join those industries in the dust-bin of history. LinkPizza posted... To the point where I think it was Google using hackers to make their systems better. If you are only now learning about white-hat hackers (or think that Google is the only one using them to test security and that them doing so is in any way novel), you are decades behind on your technological knowledge. White hats have been a thing for almost 50 years now and are regularly employed by security-sensitive sectors (including, yes, banks). LinkPizza posted... Not only that, but if someone is able to hack an AI, or at least get the AI to do whatever it wants, they could probably use the AI to actually hack banks. Probably, but by the same token you can set up a security-AI to catch hacker-bots and they will likely be much better funded to do so. LinkPizza posted... And I'm not opposed to all technology. I'm opposed to technology that takes jobs away from people. That is pretty close to "all technology" by definition. Technology in general exists to make work easier, which means people need to spend fewer hours and less effort doing it. That translates to less jobs overall. There's a reason why we've gone from 90+% of the species being involved in gathering/cultivating food to less than 10% of the population doing so today. LinkPizza posted... As for your "knowledge of AI", it seems like you're just pulling stuff out of nowhere. Again, parts of this are literally my job. Honestly, none of what I'm telling you is all that esoteric in terms of machine-learning knowledge; you just don't seem to have any real backing on the subject. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:954553215] in Controvers... [t:79384298]...</cite> <quote><quote> LinkPizza posted... And again, telling it you liked it better last time doesn't do anything. You would need to give it some kind of direction to move to.</quote>sigh No, you don't. Seriously, if you're going to argue this topic, at least do yourself a favour and learn the basics of how machine learning works. It's painfully apparent you are completely clueless on the subject. Here's your first lesson. Machine learning is an iterative process. When a machine is trying to perfect its ability to complete a task, it takes the most successful way it has previously determined to do the task (in this case, cook a recipe) and changes some parameter about how it cooks the dish. Maybe it alters the cooking time or temperature, maybe it changes the ingredients. It will then evaluate the outcome of the task - in this case, by presenting you with the finished dish and asking if you liked it better than last time. If you say no, then it determines that the changes it made from its previous attempt moved it further away from the goal and it goes back to the original way it made it and iterates a different way. Maybe this time it adds or removes some spices. And maybe this time you say, "Yes, this was better than last time." Now the AI has a new "most successful" way it made the dish and, on future attempts, it will iterate off that recipe rather than the old one. This is machine learning 101. If you do not understand the process of how machines learn, your continued participation in this discussion is pointless because you're going on at considerable length about things you have no knowledge of. <quote> LinkPizza posted... And my point about getting a stuff made a certain way at certain restaurant can kill a restaurant.</quote>Yes. And? <quote> LinkPizza posted... When your own personal robot cooks food, you don't pay the robot. Buying the robot only gives money to the place you bought it from when you bought it. But if you already own the robot, it just makes food from the ingredients you have. You wouldn't pay it, nor would it charge you to make any food... You would still have to buy the ingredients, but that different. And that doesn't help the restaurant in any way...</quote>If the choice is "keep restaurants" or "destroy restaurants, but everyone gets cheap, restaurant quality food made right in their kitchen anytime they want", then bye-bye restaurants. Sometimes businesses die thanks to new technology. It's sad, but inevitable. The electric light bulb killed the lamp-lighter industry, the refrigerator killed the milk-delivery business, and the printing press did away with the scribe profession. Restaurants may one day join those industries in the dust-bin of history. <quote> LinkPizza posted... To the point where I think it was Google using hackers to make their systems better.</quote>If you are only now learning about white-hat hackers (or think that Google is the only one using them to test security and that them doing so is in any way novel), you are decades behind on your technological knowledge. White hats have been a thing for almost 50 years now and are regularly employed by security-sensitive sectors (including, yes, banks). <quote> LinkPizza posted... Not only that, but if someone is able to hack an AI, or at least get the AI to do whatever it wants, they could probably use the AI to actually hack banks.</quote>Probably, but by the same token you can set up a security-AI to catch hacker-bots and they will likely be much better funded to do so. <quote> LinkPizza posted... And I'm not opposed to all technology. I'm opposed to technology that takes jobs away from people.</quote>That is pretty close to "all technology" by definition. Technology in general exists to make work easier, which means people need to spend fewer hours and less effort doing it. That translates to less jobs overall. There's a reason why we've gone from 90+% of the species being involved in gathering/cultivating food to less than 10% of the population doing so today. <quote> LinkPizza posted... As for your "knowledge of AI", it seems like you're just pulling stuff out of nowhere.</quote>Again, parts of this are literally my job. Honestly, none of what I'm telling you is all that esoteric in terms of machine-learning knowledge; you just don't seem to have any real backing on the subject. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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