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Topic	Movie Club Topic 3 - Murder by Marnie: Hunt for the Blue Hand Stalker Lobster
Seginustemple 05/26/21 4:13:54 AM #295:	We Need to Talk About Kevin Haven't read the book, but I thought it was an effective if somewhat flawed movie experience. Kudos to the casting/directing/young actors for the dead-behind-the-eyes continuity of the Kevins, he really makes your skin crawl. Excellent villainy. Tilda is great as the battled mother who somehow doesn't visibly age during Kevin's life. The flaw for me is that the character behavior/motivations often just seem unbelievable. Usually with these kind of parental anxiety/bad egg horror films there's a supernatural bent to place us in a surreal space (Omen/Exorcist/Eraserhead) and here it seems like realism is implied but not quite realized. It's like if you took a 'kid possessed by the devil' story and replaced the devil with nihilism - I like that premise but it leaves toddler Kevin's overly cunning manipulations with no real explanation other than the inference that the mother is completely unreliable and paints herself the victim of an initially innocent child, but I don't think that tracks with what we're shown. The mom/dad are the 'trips-while-being-chased' of parenting technique. So many bad decisions. I'm no parent but in classic horror fashion they made me want to yell advice at the screen: "Give him some chores already, where are the boundaries and discipline?" "Why are you training him with a bow? Make him join a team sport!" "Oh god don't keep a hamster around him!" The vacant dad is just way too oblivious, he almost had it coming. And no way would Kevin get out in two years on some Prozac excuse, that seems completely unrealistic. I couldn't tell if it was obliquely commenting on gun culture (via bow/nerf/squirt gun) or if it was specifically omitting real guns to sidestep that, or if they weren't even thinking of that. But I've never heard of a school shooting with a bow and arrow so I'm inclined to think it's the former. It's sort of an American epidemic (see: prominent flag in the gym at the end), even my high school went through a shooting. It's sad how much this feels like it's a post-Sandy Hook/Elliot Rodgers text but really it's just post-Columbine. Real twist-of-the-knife ending, too. A mothers forgiveness knows no bounds? The redemptive power of prison? I mean, breaking the kids arm was what potty-trained him so is it saying you gotta break a bad egg to make an omelette? It's an extreme example to make a case for corporal punishment if that. For me it's simply easier to take the "beware having kids" message out of it...8/10 --- You bow to no one, azuarc <cite>Seginustemple posted [p:954310357] in Movie Club... [t:79402657]...</cite> <quote>We Need to Talk About Kevin Haven't read the book, but I thought it was an effective if somewhat flawed movie experience. Kudos to the casting/directing/young actors for the dead-behind-the-eyes continuity of the Kevins, he really makes your skin crawl. Excellent villainy. Tilda is great as the battled mother who somehow doesn't visibly age during Kevin's life. The flaw for me is that the character behavior/motivations often just seem unbelievable. Usually with these kind of parental anxiety/bad egg horror films there's a supernatural bent to place us in a surreal space (Omen/Exorcist/Eraserhead) and here it seems like realism is implied but not quite realized. It's like if you took a 'kid possessed by the devil' story and replaced the devil with nihilism - I like that premise but it leaves toddler Kevin's overly cunning manipulations with no real explanation other than the inference that the mother is completely unreliable and paints herself the victim of an initially innocent child, but I don't think that tracks with what we're shown. The mom/dad are the 'trips-while-being-chased' of parenting technique. So many bad decisions. I'm no parent but in classic horror fashion they made me want to yell advice at the screen: "Give him some chores already, where are the boundaries and discipline?" "Why are you training him with a bow? Make him join a team sport!" "Oh god don't keep a hamster around him!" The vacant dad is just way too oblivious, he almost had it coming. And no way would Kevin get out in two years on some Prozac excuse, that seems completely unrealistic. I couldn't tell if it was obliquely commenting on gun culture (via bow/nerf/squirt gun) or if it was specifically omitting real guns to sidestep that, or if they weren't even thinking of that. But I've never heard of a school shooting with a bow and arrow so I'm inclined to think it's the former. It's sort of an American epidemic (see: prominent flag in the gym at the end), even my high school went through a shooting. It's sad how much this feels like it's a post-Sandy Hook/Elliot Rodgers text but really it's just post-Columbine. Real twist-of-the-knife ending, too. A mothers forgiveness knows no bounds? The redemptive power of prison? I mean, breaking the kids arm was what potty-trained him so is it saying you gotta break a bad egg to make an omelette? It's an extreme example to make a case for corporal punishment if that. For me it's simply easier to take the "beware having kids" message out of it...8/10 --- You bow to no one, azuarc</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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