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Topic	Controversial Opinion #4: Automation
darkknight109 05/23/21 5:01:40 AM #221:	LinkPizza posted... For example, the scenario I described could easily happen. No, it couldn't. If you want to prove that it could, provide a source. Since you've already admitted that you can't, this is pointless speculation on your part. LinkPizza posted... So, I don't think it's coming out anytime soon. But what about you. Do you think they're coming out soon, or in decades? You switch from singular to plural here, so I have no idea what you mean by "it" or "they". Are you talking about self-driving cars? Because those are out now. Widespread self driving cars, such that you won't be able to avoid going in one? Coming soon. Completely self-driving car force with human drivers banned? Decades away. Please, clean up your posts. Reading through these is such a headache. LinkPizza posted... And I'd rather prove that it's a valid concern before people get hurt or die from it. That's how things should be. But I guess who cares about a few deaths until after it happens. This from the guy who earlier argued he wasn't worried about babies dying in hot cars and who is also pushing hard to keep human drivers around instead of switching to AI, something that will cost tens of thousands of people their lives every year. Don't get sanctimonious with me over deaths. Far more people will die to human drivers the longer the switch to AI cars is put off than to this ridiculous non-scenario you've came up with that won't ever happen. LinkPizza posted... I'm pretty sure I even mentioned in another post that the same thing could happen to human drivers, didn't I? You have - and in so doing, admitted this isn't a valid complaint against self-driving cars, since it can happen to humans even easier. LinkPizza posted... So, I'm scuttling my own argument. Yes, I'm quite aware of that. LinkPizza posted... And as I said, AIs should be better at avoiding them. And they are. LinkPizza posted... And because it hasn't happened yet, nobody can literally know if it'll be worse that with humans. We can, because in the scenario you described it would be impossible for AI to behave worse than humans in the circumstances given. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:954206804] in Controvers... [t:79384298]...</cite> <quote><quote>LinkPizza posted... For example, the scenario I described could easily happen.</quote>No, it couldn't. If you want to prove that it could, provide a source. Since you've already admitted that you can't, this is pointless speculation on your part. <quote> LinkPizza posted... So, I don't think it's coming out anytime soon. But what about you. Do you think they're coming out soon, or in decades?</quote>You switch from singular to plural here, so I have no idea what you mean by "it" or "they". Are you talking about self-driving cars? Because those are out now. Widespread self driving cars, such that you won't be able to avoid going in one? Coming soon. Completely self-driving car force with human drivers banned? Decades away. Please, clean up your posts. Reading through these is such a headache. <quote> LinkPizza posted... And I'd rather prove that it's a valid concern before people get hurt or die from it. That's how things should be. But I guess who cares about a few deaths until after it happens.</quote>This from the guy who earlier argued he wasn't worried about babies dying in hot cars and who is also pushing hard to keep human drivers around instead of switching to AI, something that will cost tens of thousands of people their lives every year. Don't get sanctimonious with me over deaths. Far more people will die to human drivers the longer the switch to AI cars is put off than to this ridiculous non-scenario you've came up with that won't ever happen. <quote> LinkPizza posted... I'm pretty sure I even mentioned in another post that the same thing could happen to human drivers, didn't I?</quote>You have - and in so doing, admitted this isn't a valid complaint against self-driving cars, since it can happen to humans even easier. <quote> LinkPizza posted... So, I'm scuttling my own argument.</quote>Yes, I'm quite aware of that. <quote> LinkPizza posted... And as I said, AIs should be better at avoiding them.</quote>And they are. <quote> LinkPizza posted... And because it hasn't happened yet, nobody can literally know if it'll be worse that with humans.</quote>We can, because in the scenario you described it would be impossible for AI to behave worse than humans in the circumstances given. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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