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Topic	Controversial Opinion #4: Automation
darkknight109 05/23/21 4:50:15 AM #210:	LinkPizza posted... The whole point is that the roomba that's created by automation still cost money because you have to buy it. Buy it from who? If robots are mining the materials and making the robot, there's no one to buy it from. You still don't seem to understand what "fully automated future" entails, nor why it precludes the possibility of money still existing by definition. LinkPizza posted... And there's not more free shit. We get free samples of stuff. But there's not that much free shit. Bullshit. 500 hours of video are uploaded to Youtube every minute, nearly all of which are available to view for free. How many free songs could you get in 1985? How many free videos? How many free video games? How many of those can you get now? Answer: so many that you literally couldn't watch/listen to/play them all in your entire life, even if you did nothing else between now and your death. LinkPizza posted... When I'm talking about free shit, I'm talking about physical free shit. Why are you adding the "physical" qualifier? That was never what this tangent was about. You've apparently forgotten, but this entire side-discussion started because you refused to acknowledge that sometimes people are willing to create and release things for free. At no point was it ever stipulated that these things must be physical; indeed, we were originally talking about things like video games or art, which are digital creations. At this point, you're simply moving the goal posts to avoid acknowledging that you've lost this point by being cornered into trying to claim that there isn't actually free shit (while posting on a completely free web forum, I might add). LinkPizza posted... You said that with automation, then stuff robots make will be free. So how come all the physical shit robots make cost money. I've said this dozens of times now - money is an expression of human labour, and as long as humans are involved in the process, money will still be involved. I don't understand why you're still confused about this very basic concept. Are we in a fully automated future right now? No? Then money will still change hands, because humans are involved in the process. Why do you find that so difficult to understand? I've explained this to you numerous different times. We pay money for the human parts of a process, not the automated parts. That's where the roomba discussion came in. If you have a maid that vacuums your house, you will have to pay her each time she comes over and vacuums because she is a human doing labour for you; if you have a roomba or other automated robot doing the job, you do not have to pay them every time they vacuum, because that is the automated portion of the process and you do not pay anyone for an automated process. Do you still have to spend money to buy the roomba in the first place? Or to charge it after it's finished? Yes, because those things are not automated right now and humans are involved in roomba manufacture and power generation. I am still baffled as to why this is so difficult for you to understand. It really is a very simple concept. LinkPizza posted... Also, you seem to be assuming that the store will be selling items at half price What store? Please provide context to your sentences or quote what you're responding to, because otherwise it's impossible to tell what you're talking about when you suddenly change subjects like this. LinkPizza posted... Having robots doesn't mean everything in your store is cheaper. You don't price you merchandise based on your workers. You base it on the cost of the items you buy. You understand that's how shit it priced, right? I'm going to teach you about something called "supply and demand", because apparently you haven't learned about this yet. The greater the supply of an item and/or the lower the demand, the lower the price goes; the lower the supply of an item and/or the greater the demand, the higher the price goes. Businesses will automatically seek an equilibrium where supply and demand are in balance in order to maximize profit for each unit sold. Let's say Store A and Store B both sell widgets. Both of them decide to automate, which winds up halving their overhead. Store A decides it's going to pocket the difference in profit; Store B, realizing the opportunity, decides to halve its prices and maintain the same profit per unit sold. Since Store B is now selling for much lower than Store A, they have now create, in essence, a supply glut. Store A must now lower their prices or else lose all of their business to Store B, which is selling the same product for a fraction of the cost. I know this seems complicated, but I can assure you it isn't. LinkPizza posted... -Music: Youtube have a bunch of music put up by other people who probably should put it up. What? --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:954206695] in Controvers... [t:79384298]...</cite> <quote><quote>LinkPizza posted... The whole point is that the roomba that's created by automation still cost money because you have to buy it.</quote>Buy it from who? If robots are mining the materials and making the robot, there's no one to buy it from. You still don't seem to understand what "fully automated future" entails, nor why it precludes the possibility of money still existing by definition. <quote> LinkPizza posted... And there's not more free shit. We get free samples of stuff. But there's not that much free shit.</quote>Bullshit. 500 hours of video are uploaded to Youtube every minute, nearly all of which are available to view for free. How many free songs could you get in 1985? How many free videos? How many free video games? How many of those can you get now? Answer: so many that you literally couldn't watch/listen to/play them all in your entire life, even if you did nothing else between now and your death. <quote> LinkPizza posted... When I'm talking about free shit, I'm talking about physical free shit.</quote>Why are you adding the "physical" qualifier? That was never what this tangent was about. You've apparently forgotten, but this entire side-discussion started because you refused to acknowledge that sometimes people are willing to create and release things for free. At no point was it ever stipulated that these things must be physical; indeed, we were originally talking about things like video games or art, which are digital creations. At this point, you're simply moving the goal posts to avoid acknowledging that you've lost this point by being cornered into trying to claim that there isn't actually free shit (while posting on a completely free web forum, I might add). <quote> LinkPizza posted... You said that with automation, then stuff robots make will be free. So how come all the physical shit robots make cost money.</quote>I've said this dozens of times now - money is an expression of human labour, and as long as humans are involved in the process, money will still be involved. I don't understand why you're still confused about this very basic concept. Are we in a fully automated future right now? No? Then money will still change hands, because humans are involved in the process. Why do you find that so difficult to understand? I've explained this to you numerous different times. We pay money for the human parts of a process, not the automated parts. That's where the roomba discussion came in. If you have a maid that vacuums your house, you will have to pay her each time she comes over and vacuums because she is a human doing labour for you; if you have a roomba or other automated robot doing the job, you do not have to pay them every time they vacuum, because that is the automated portion of the process and you do not pay anyone for an automated process. Do you still have to spend money to buy the roomba in the first place? Or to charge it after it's finished? Yes, because those things are not automated right now and humans are involved in roomba manufacture and power generation. I am still baffled as to why this is so difficult for you to understand. It really is a very simple concept. <quote> LinkPizza posted... Also, you seem to be assuming that the store will be selling items at half price</quote>What store? Please provide context to your sentences or quote what you're responding to, because otherwise it's impossible to tell what you're talking about when you suddenly change subjects like this. <quote> LinkPizza posted... Having robots doesn't mean everything in your store is cheaper. You don't price you merchandise based on your workers. You base it on the cost of the items you buy. You understand that's how shit it priced, right?</quote>I'm going to teach you about something called "supply and demand", because apparently you haven't learned about this yet. The greater the supply of an item and/or the lower the demand, the lower the price goes; the lower the supply of an item and/or the greater the demand, the higher the price goes. Businesses will automatically seek an equilibrium where supply and demand are in balance in order to maximize profit for each unit sold. Let's say Store A and Store B both sell widgets. Both of them decide to automate, which winds up halving their overhead. Store A decides it's going to pocket the difference in profit; Store B, realizing the opportunity, decides to halve its prices and maintain the same profit per unit sold. Since Store B is now selling for much lower than Store A, they have now create, in essence, a supply glut. Store A must now lower their prices or else lose all of their business to Store B, which is selling the same product for a fraction of the cost. I know this seems complicated, but I can assure you it isn't. <quote> LinkPizza posted... -Music: Youtube have a bunch of music put up by other people who probably should put it up.</quote>What? --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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