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Topic	Controversial Opinion #4: Automation
darkknight109 05/23/21 4:42:32 AM #202:	LinkPizza posted... As for the robots, I'm not giving up control if it can also mess up. I don't think it's ridiculous to want something that takes away my control to be perfect. Why would I want to give up control to something only to wound up hurt or dead? Because it will do the job a lot better than you can. You have less of a chance of winding up hurt or dead with a robot at the wheel than yourself. That's not my opinion, that is cold hard fact. You choosing to continue driving instead of trusting an AI is putting yourself and others at greater risk, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. LinkPizza posted... Not a shitty faulty AI. No such thing in the world of self-driving cars. LinkPizza posted... I actually trust them and have a reason to trust them at this point. Again, the machine is statistically better than both of you. You objectively have far more reason to trust the AI than anyone you know. LinkPizza posted... You say luddites was wrong, but they weren't. Machines literally can't replace the heart and soul of a human worker. For example, a machine can make quilt, but it won't be the same as a handcrafted quilt made with love by someone you care about. Or a human. And the human made quilt will sometimes have those small imperfections that give it character... Or a special type of sewing technique that the person making it used. A machine can fake it, but it doesn't have the same feeling... Because machine literally don't have feelings... Commerce doesn't care about feelings or soul and appealing to them is not a reasonable argument. Sure, you might treasure a gift from a grandmother who hand-quilted you a blanket as a present. AI aren't going to replace that and I never said they would. But that situation covers significantly less than 1% of all textile manufacture. Machines can and will do that job better, faster, and cheaper than any human worker and that will be sufficient for nearly all forms of production. LinkPizza posted... You say luddites was wrong, but they weren't. This opinion, grammatically challenged though it may be, is not widely held. Moreover, they didn't do very well in stopping the industrial process, so I wouldn't get your hopes up for following the same path. LinkPizza posted... And I don't think driving yourself will ever be banned unless you like tyrannical governments. Human driving on roadways will one day be banned for the same reason drunk driving and driving without a seat belt are currently banned - it's not safe and a far safer alternative is available. LinkPizza posted... People would literally fight to not have driving banned... or just drive, anyway. They won't just give up because they say to. I mean, that's something history obviously shows... Even the present shows that... Sure - I mean, there are still morons who still drink and drive or refuse to drive without a seat belt. But those people are idiots and are widely derided as so. I never claimed these changes won't happen without a fight. Of course they will - reactionary people who don't understand science still exist and will continue to exist in the future. They will fight this change because they don't understand it and don't realize it will save tens of thousands of lives every year. And, much like the dinosaurs still drinking and driving, they will eventually be caught and stamped out. They will have a far harder time hiding their law-dodging, because an AI-driven car force will eventually result in traffic controls being taken away (no need to bother with things like stoplights or stop signs when cars can simply talk to one another as they approach the intersection and coordinate who gets to go when in order to maximize efficiency). --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:954206619] in Controvers... [t:79384298]...</cite> <quote><quote>LinkPizza posted... As for the robots, I'm not giving up control if it can also mess up. I don't think it's ridiculous to want something that takes away my control to be perfect. Why would I want to give up control to something only to wound up hurt or dead?</quote>Because it will do the job a lot better than you can. You have less of a chance of winding up hurt or dead with a robot at the wheel than yourself. That's not my opinion, that is cold hard fact. You choosing to continue driving instead of trusting an AI is putting yourself and others at greater risk, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. <quote> LinkPizza posted... Not a shitty faulty AI.</quote>No such thing in the world of self-driving cars. <quote> LinkPizza posted... I actually trust them and have a reason to trust them at this point.</quote>Again, the machine is statistically better than both of you. You objectively have far more reason to trust the AI than anyone you know. <quote> LinkPizza posted... You say luddites was wrong, but they weren't. Machines literally can't replace the heart and soul of a human worker. For example, a machine can make quilt, but it won't be the same as a handcrafted quilt made with love by someone you care about. Or a human. And the human made quilt will sometimes have those small imperfections that give it character... Or a special type of sewing technique that the person making it used. A machine can fake it, but it doesn't have the same feeling... Because machine literally don't have feelings...</quote>Commerce doesn't care about feelings or soul and appealing to them is not a reasonable argument. Sure, you might treasure a gift from a grandmother who hand-quilted you a blanket as a present. AI aren't going to replace that and I never said they would. But that situation covers significantly less than 1% of all textile manufacture. Machines can and will do that job better, faster, and cheaper than any human worker and that will be sufficient for nearly all forms of production. <quote> LinkPizza posted... You say luddites was wrong, but they weren't.</quote>This opinion, grammatically challenged though it may be, is not widely held. Moreover, they didn't do very well in stopping the industrial process, so I wouldn't get your hopes up for following the same path. <quote> LinkPizza posted... And I don't think driving yourself will ever be banned unless you like tyrannical governments.</quote>Human driving on roadways will one day be banned for the same reason drunk driving and driving without a seat belt are currently banned - it's not safe and a far safer alternative is available. <quote> LinkPizza posted... People would literally fight to not have driving banned... or just drive, anyway. They won't just give up because they say to. I mean, that's something history obviously shows... Even the present shows that...</quote>Sure - I mean, there are still morons who still drink and drive or refuse to drive without a seat belt. But those people are idiots and are widely derided as so. I never claimed these changes won't happen without a fight. Of course they will - reactionary people who don't understand science still exist and will continue to exist in the future. They will fight this change because they don't understand it and don't realize it will save tens of thousands of lives every year. And, much like the dinosaurs still drinking and driving, they will eventually be caught and stamped out. They will have a far harder time hiding their law-dodging, because an AI-driven car force will eventually result in traffic controls being taken away (no need to bother with things like stoplights or stop signs when cars can simply talk to one another as they approach the intersection and coordinate who gets to go when in order to maximize efficiency). --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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